Goodbye Monarchy, as is

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that’s it really. I’m not fussed about the ‘king’ -
happy to downgrade the entire system.
the jewels, the palaces, the changing of the guard belong to the country, and/or people … if Charles buggers off we keep all the tourist attractions, and all that people say makes the royal family worth while ££
now the Queen has gone, the ‘firm’ needs to go
done with them. AIBU?

When I was 18-24 I was very anti-royalist. I grew up and changed my mind. That’s why the opinion of everyone matters, rather than only the opinions of the youth.

I think YANBU, I’m not massively anti-monarchy but I can’t bring myself to care about Charles. It felt weird singing a whole song just about saving the king at Remembrance Day yesterday as I don’t care that much.

People said the same on the 30th of January 1649 OP.

I am not fussed either way.

I have been surprised how much younger people seem to have changed their mind on the monarch since the funeral. I am talking about people under 25 that I know.

The Queens funeral seems to have ignited interest and sympathy for them. Many looking forward to seeing a coronation. So many were fascinated with with the traditions and where they came from and how long they had been in place.

Will be interesting to see what the future brings

All I know is, at remembrance Sunday yesterday not one person sang the national anthem. The only voice ringing out what that of the vicar at the microphone on the square. Sad really, but not unexpected.

Yep

Do you. really want a head of state like the US or France? In my opinion I want a. political head and a "moral" one. I don't want politics only. It's a. dangerous way. in my opinion.

Germany has a head of state, elected but only.indirectly, by the public. He still costs money (and even after he retires). and doesn't do a lot more than. a king. does.

Look at other countries like the Scandinavian ones, Belgium, the Netherlands. Yes, they all have their scandals and black sheep but in general they do the job.

Do you really think we still. would have the pomp and circumstances we do without the King? A changing of the guard - for what?

Make the working royal family smaller, yes. Make it more efficient. Cut down on the need to have a royal patronage for everything. Sweden has just the King, Crown Princess and her brother. Norway basically just has the King and Crown Prince, Norway just cut down the family fairly brutally.

I wouod like to see what Charles can do after waiting all this time personally

As for getting your money back is 17p really that important to you?

The houses? No we won't get to keep them all a lot are owned by them personally we will get Buckingham Palace which is falling apart and currently undergoing massive maintenance the government will sell off what jewellery etc that they get plus the houses to "foreign investers" (probably them by other means) which means they will lose them too we will become poorer both culturally and financially as a nation and the royal family rich in there own right will move on and continue their lives pretty much unaffected

Just repeating the words “they are here to stay” doesn’t actually make it so you know!

And the point about ‘how do people think this is going to come about?’ is pertinent precisely because the way our establishment is set up makes it very difficult to abolish the monarchy.

Imho, there should be ways in which the public can vote for them to stay or go. It’s rather arrogant to assume we all feel the same way after a seventy year reign isn’t it? Like it or not, the monarchy needs public approval in order to continue, so we should be allowed to demonstrate our support formally, or not.

”But this isn’t the way a constitutional monarchy works” everyone will say…. well yes, exactly … we need to change the system so that they are more directly accountable to the public’s wishes.

Finally, the inherent problem with Charles being hailed as a defender of the environment is that he has at least eight houses! I don’t doubt that he is genuine in his beliefs and his staff may all compost and use the bath water to water the flowers but there is inherent hypocrisy in his overall level of consumption. His credibility is shot if he doesn’t shed a few of the estates!

Eh? From your link:

Although the British monarchy is supported by a plurality of people across most age groups in Great Britain, it is among over 65 year-old's where the level is support is highest at 77 percent. Younger age groups are progressively more likely to oppose the monarchy, with 31 percent of 18-24 year old's opting instead for an elected head of state.

Of course, most of it is behind a paywall, including the graph - if you can see it, perhaps you could let the rest of us know what it says. Maybe there's a third of that group who support the monarchy (as you said), 31% in favour of an elected head of state and just over a third who have no preference.

YANBU. But most people are afraid of change. I also think the Royal family would be more palatable if run on the Scandinavian model. That might happen.

But we are allowed to demonstrate publicly whether we want a monarchy or not, last time I checked we are not living in China.

Nothing stopping you and fellow republicans lobbying for change.

Have you actually done anything about it rather than comment on here?

Our lives are heavily ruled by what eg Elon Musk is saying/ doing , Mark Zuckerberg, bloggers , influencers. Winners of IACGMOOH.
Take away tradition and that’s chiefly what would remain.

With so much bad things going on in the UK right now why are people fixated on the royal family? Getting rid of them won't change the effects of brexit or the war in the Ukraine it won't bring down food and fuel prices it will just be another thing to watch the government fuck up "we are selling the palace's to help support the economy" and promptly give themselves another fucking pay raise they are short sighted egotistical individuals and I don't trust them to run around the block let alone our country but they were voted for

I am all for changing the monarchy. Less deference. Slimming it down a lot. But not totally getting rid of it

What would you have in its place?
I quite like how we can deploy the royal family to events around the world, give a showing of UK Plc and our politicians can get on with running the country (something the current lot has to focus on!)

Yes exactly. Inviting people to sing “God save the King” when many believe in neither!

I do practice a faith as it happens but the whole notion of the national anthem is difficult for me. I would happily sing to God to protect the sick and the most vulnerable in society but to save our King? Well, perhaps to guide him to make the right decisions and to help him as a person on a human level, but do we need the “send him victorious, happy and glorious, long to reign over us”? I don’t think we do!

And the country isn't run by the young, and the young will be older one day and many will have changed their minds when experience makes them wiser.

”Dont knock what you don’t understand” said on the same post as “oh it’ll be President Blair shows that YOU don’t understand 🙄. What a nonsense thing to say.

And can we please stop with the bullshit about Charles’ environmental credentials - he hardly practices what he preaches does he?

It’s good to have a national figurehead that isn’t a politician. Had dinner yesterday with Pils who are not English born, both saying when they went home after the queens funeral to visit their parents, there was lots of talk about their country regretting getting rid of their monarchy. I sang the national anthem yesterday at the end of the remembrance service and it was moving that we had something unifying us in that moment as a group of people belonging to a nation. I can not imagine a political party unifying people.

@reluctantbrit if the royals are our moral head we’re a bit fucked aren’t we? Charles being best friends with the Saudis for starters. His delightful brother. When he was alive, his bully of a dad. And so on.

Theyre certainly not someone I’d look to for moral leadership.

Why the spite? Of course the Royals aren't going anywhere but that's because their vast wealth and power means that endless acolytes and opportunists will defend them until the end of time because it means they can benefit from some of that money and power, too.

That means endless wealth passed off to one family that could have been used on schools, hospitals, free school meals for kids, etc, alongside constant ongoing expensive press calls and PR campaigns to keep the public thinking that people actually want them. There's nothing wrong in calling that out as being a reply unpleasant and irrational practice.

I'd rather have a King than a politician as head of state.

I don't see the monarchy going away any time soon.

If there was a referendum I think keeping the monarchy would win in a landslide.

@Theunamedcat Eh? Were you quoting me?

If you were, I think you need to re-read my post as you have obviously missed that I am not in favour of tha abolition of the monarchy.

I wa making the point to those who do should get on with doing something about it, rather than having a moan online.

They obviously don't care that much or else they would be out on the streets, lobbying, etc, etc. Just as other countries have done successfully.

The sooner we move to a Scandinavian model for the monarchy the better, starting with getting rid of the power to sign Acts and laws.
the idea that someone is ‘born to rule’ belongs back in the medieval times.

Yes I have. I wrote to my MP shortly after the late Queen’s death when all of the proclamations were taking place. I didn’t receive a reply.

I considered joining a republican organisation but some of their views are quite extreme and I need to do more research in to which organisation is the right fit for me. Unfortunately I have a busy life so haven’t made a decision yet.

And yes we are allowed to demonstrate but my point is that there should be less drastic and more reliable methods of registering our opinions on this matter, than standing in the street waving a banner, which isn’t practical or possible for the vast majority of people.

If the monarchy is so popular, then the establishment doesn’t need to be wary of allowing the general public a vote on the matter.