Page 6 | Goodbye Monarchy, as is

Poopoolittlerabbit · 2022-11-14T00:00:39+00:00

that’s it really. I’m not fussed about the ‘king’ - happy to downgrade the entire system. the jewels, the palaces, the changing of the guard belong to the country, and/or people … if Charles buggers off we keep all the tourist attractions, and all that people say makes the royal family worth while ££ now the Queen has gone, the ‘firm’ needs to go done with them. AIBU?

TheKeatingFive · 14/11/2022 08:05

everything they bring to this island

Close friendships with high profile paedophiles and child traffickers you mean?

Snugglemonkey · 14/11/2022 08:06

Prescottdanni123 · 14/11/2022 05:38

We'd lose a lot of the income from abroad. A lot of the attraction for visitors from other countries (especially the US) is the fact that we still have a monarchy. So there goes most of the €s and $s. Even the amount of income generated in this country would probably drop because some people would lose interest once there was no longer a monarchy.

And technically, the current Priminister and Truss were not elected by us.

This is demonstrably not true. People still visit Versailles and plenty of other monarchless properties, they would still visit the tower of London, or Buckingham palace etc. They would still want to see the crown jewels. A lot of the attraction is sod all to do with current riyals, it is the history.

xJ0y · 14/11/2022 08:08

I wouldnt want it. You have to thin but not too thin, you have to be lovely but never insincere. Id hate it. Id want more freedom.

No fan of harry's as he's handled his departure very badly. He could have lived easily on 30mil. He's been v foolish. He should have worked out all his family issues privately then left for the freedom of not being royal, but just plain leaving, don't blame him.

Tanith · 14/11/2022 08:09

Poopoolittlerabbit · 14/11/2022 00:59

‘YABU. The royal family is part of national identity and culture which contributes to people's well-being and sense of belonging. I actually think the constant attack on identity and culture is partially responsible for deteriorating mental health in general as it's exhausting and depressing to hear.’

Wow. Really? And if you’re Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish and have an other idea of what ‘National identity’ might be? Outside of the ENGLISH royal family? And what of the myriad of cultures and heritages that make up Britain and our identity?

You really don't know your British history if you think the Monarchy is exclusively English.

Tanith · 14/11/2022 08:12

Poopoolittlerabbit · 14/11/2022 07:34

Except, there does seem to be a lot of old Etonians running the country at the moment, and it’s not going that well….

The Prime Minster is a Wykehamist; the Chancellor is an Old Carthusian. The previous Prime Minister was state-educated and look at the disaster she was!

Dreamingcats · 14/11/2022 08:12

Iflyaway · 14/11/2022 05:45

I'm watching The Crown from the beginning..

Loving it, brilliant acting and helping me with the history of a dramatised version of the Royal Family.

Same time thinking, what a bloody pantomime that has no place in modern Britain where kids go hungry now in 2022. What a disgrace.

And people still claiming UK is 5th richest in the world. Economically maybe. The class system is alive and thriving.

Don't believe the Crown, half of it is totally untrue. I hoped to learn some history from it but started to doubt its accuracy when I discovered that the Churchill aid who was supposedly hit by a bus didn't exist. Now I completely agree with people who call for a disclaimer at the start. It's fiction, and damaging fiction a lot of the time. I enjoyed the first two seasons but don't want to watch any more.

Cosycover · 14/11/2022 08:13

This comes up all the time.

I hate the monarchy but I don't think the royal family are going anywhere soon. Unfortunately.

cakeorwine · 14/11/2022 08:15

bloodyplanes · 14/11/2022 08:02

OP you are living on another planet if you think the Monarchy are going anywhere! The vast majority of the uk love them and everything they bring to this island ( as evidenced by the large crowds during the mourning of QE in all of the countries that make up the UK). Look what the " elected elite" have done to this country and then tell us we should be a republic, it's laughable!

What you didn't see was the people who didn't attend - you just saw a large crowd.

Seeing a large crowd at an event does not mean that a lot of people love them.

MattDillonsEyebrows · 14/11/2022 08:16

Mixednuts574 · 14/11/2022 07:55

Speaking as a republican, I think this is a very important point. Sadly, people do have a tendency to vote to destroy things just for the sake of it and because they can.

And yes the Brexit referendum was an example of how NOT to do things but it must be possible, in this day and age, with the technology available to us, to facilitate proper, informed discussion and come to a conclusion through a series of debates, perhaps like the UN form a resolution?

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Why was the Brexit referendum an example of how not to do things? How would you do things differently for a monarchy referendum?

Unfortunately with a proper informed discussion you have to allow all voices & opinions, not just the ones you like or even the most rational ones.
I personally knew exactly what I was voting for in the Brexit referendum. I listened to both sides, was swayed by some of the arguments for Brexit eg the fishermen’s discussion of the ridiculous catch limits and wastefulness there but ultimately decided I didn’t want Brexit so voted remain.

Other people had their own reason for voting the way they did. Some will be fully informed, some will have just read the headlines of a bus, some will just want their gap years to be easier, some won’t give a shit either way but want to take part in a part of history, but you have to take in all the votes and just because someone else voted differently and it didn’t go the way I wanted, why would I assume they weren’t informed or they were thick, uneducated or racist?

cakeorwine · 14/11/2022 08:17

Why do people 'love' the Royal Family?

What is it about Charles and his immediate family that you love?

BellePeppa · 14/11/2022 08:17

There are far more things to worry about than the Monarchy. You may not like them but millions of people are still very very interested in it, hence the massive crowds whenever there’s a big event. Not having a monarchy will make zero difference to your pocket or your everyday life. I quite like having them because of the big events etc but I don’t give it’s existence a thought day to day.

anexcellentwoman · 14/11/2022 08:18

Isn't there some research that shows young people never want the monarchy. Many mysteriously change their views as they age and perhaps consider the alternatives

TheKeatingFive · 14/11/2022 08:19

Isn't there some research that shows young people never want the monarchy

Ive never seen it. Have you a link?

Dogtooth · 14/11/2022 08:21

What do you replace them with? I don't have much time for the monarchy but they're just there to keep their mouths shut and be figureheads. Since Brexit I have no faith in this country to elect a sensible president.

Byfleet · 14/11/2022 08:26

@Canthave2manycats

Every single thread on this topic (and I have been on here for about 15years) without fail, always asks if there were no more RF could anybody possibly imagine the absurdity of a President Blair. What? Why?

First of all, just why would Tony Blair become president? There are so, so, so many more other statesman/women to choose from. And we would be voting. It wouldn’t be imposed on us. Secondly, although I was no fan of Tony Blair at all and wouldn’t vote for him in the incredibly unlikely event he were a candidate for president, why exactly would it be absurd if he were president? Why is the idea of Tony Blair as president a killer argument for not abolishing the RF? I don’t get it.

Dogtooth · 14/11/2022 08:26

MattDillonsEyebrows · 14/11/2022 08:16

Why was the Brexit referendum an example of how not to do things? How would you do things differently for a monarchy referendum?

Unfortunately with a proper informed discussion you have to allow all voices & opinions, not just the ones you like or even the most rational ones.
I personally knew exactly what I was voting for in the Brexit referendum. I listened to both sides, was swayed by some of the arguments for Brexit eg the fishermen’s discussion of the ridiculous catch limits and wastefulness there but ultimately decided I didn’t want Brexit so voted remain.

Other people had their own reason for voting the way they did. Some will be fully informed, some will have just read the headlines of a bus, some will just want their gap years to be easier, some won’t give a shit either way but want to take part in a part of history, but you have to take in all the votes and just because someone else voted differently and it didn’t go the way I wanted, why would I assume they weren’t informed or they were thick, uneducated or racist?

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@MattDillonsEyebrows Brexit was an example of how not to do things because it was poorly run. Most referenda on major issues in other countries require a two thirds majority not a simple majority exactly to avoid a situation where the country is split down the middle.

It was also characterised by really poor levels of knowledge in both the public and politicians about what the EU does and is for, which meant every grievance under the sun could be laid at the door of the EU rather than domestic politicians. So it wasn't really decided on a rational basis about what the EU does, it was a referendum on 'should things change' not the actual membership.

vera99 · 14/11/2022 08:28

Voted the wrong way by mistake of course they should go - off with their heads.... I hope Jeremy Hunt in his "difficult tax choices" has said sorry your Maj but that Sovereign Grant for one of the richest families in the country is on a downward journey to zero. If they want to go on strike so be it....

Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime · 14/11/2022 08:28

Byfleet · 14/11/2022 08:26

@Canthave2manycats

Every single thread on this topic (and I have been on here for about 15years) without fail, always asks if there were no more RF could anybody possibly imagine the absurdity of a President Blair. What? Why?

First of all, just why would Tony Blair become president? There are so, so, so many more other statesman/women to choose from. And we would be voting. It wouldn’t be imposed on us. Secondly, although I was no fan of Tony Blair at all and wouldn’t vote for him in the incredibly unlikely event he were a candidate for president, why exactly would it be absurd if he were president? Why is the idea of Tony Blair as president a killer argument for not abolishing the RF? I don’t get it.

He’s a war criminal

Byfleet · 14/11/2022 08:29

What do you replace them with?

@Dogtooth

I am not necessarily in favour of replacing the RF but the argument that it’s impossible to think of an alternative is so weird. Most countries in the world have presidents. It’s quite a simple idea. We vote for a president.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 14/11/2022 08:30

Bring it on.

prh47bridge · 14/11/2022 08:30

lfYouLikePInaColadas · 14/11/2022 00:11

No it isn’t. Majority of the young don’t want them.

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Various opinion polls have shown that support for the monarchy is lower amongst younger age groups, but that is mainly due to a large number of don't knows (over one third of those polled). If you factor out don't knows, supporters still outnumber those who favour ending the monarchy.

Also, assuming that young people will stick to their views as they get older is wrong. For decades, some on the left have been saying that the huge lead for left wing parties amongst the young means the Conservatives will be wiped out in a few years. It hasn't happened yet. The reality is that people's views change. The evidence available suggests this applies as much to the monarchy as it does to other matters.

I'm not saying the monarchy will last forever. We simply don't know.

Spinninggyro · 14/11/2022 08:32

Fufumcgoo · 14/11/2022 06:46

All I know is, at remembrance Sunday yesterday not one person sang the national anthem. The only voice ringing out what that of the vicar at the microphone on the square. Sad really, but not unexpected.

If you Google national anthem cenataph you can watch on you tube and hear and see that many people are singing

carefulcalculator · 14/11/2022 08:33

Dontwanttoberudeorwastetime · 14/11/2022 08:28

He’s a war criminal

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He wouldn't get voted in now anyway, so why the endless obsession with Blair anyway?

The discussion about a president vs. monarchy is one of principle. If all you have to defend the Monarchy is you don't want person X, that is extremely weak.

MarshaBradyo · 14/11/2022 08:34

bloodyplanes · 14/11/2022 08:02

OP you are living on another planet if you think the Monarchy are going anywhere! The vast majority of the uk love them and everything they bring to this island ( as evidenced by the large crowds during the mourning of QE in all of the countries that make up the UK). Look what the " elected elite" have done to this country and then tell us we should be a republic, it's laughable!

Crowds were big but also support went up afterwards. I’m not surprised each part was well done and showed tradition

Sarahcoggles · 14/11/2022 08:35

People have been talking about the end of the monarchy for as long as I remember. My Mum - a staunch anti royalist - would tell me with absolute certainty that when I was an adult it would all be over. And yet there is no sign of it.

And maybe "the youth" do want to get rid of the monarchy, but they're too busy gazing at their phones to do anything about it. They might sign an online petition but they're not going to go to the trouble of actually protesting.