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To ban my bullying sister from seeing my kids?

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PontinsBeach · 13/11/2022 10:34

I’ve got 2 teenagers just a year apart, a DS15 with ASD and DD14 with anxiety and depression. Both are school refusers, I am trying my best and working with relevant authorities. DD often spends all day in bed (DS wakes up but will play video games) and I have to WFH but I make sure they come out at least once a day. As soon as I finish work at 2pm (I start early) both DC will come on a long dog walk at a country park and we’ll go to a cafe for cake/coffee afterwards.

My sister has a holier than thou attitude and is always giving me shit about my kids. Her adult DD and DS are ‘perfect’, both went to top RG uni’s, never had any kind of issue and now both live abroad with great jobs and she is constantly comparing them to my DC.

On Friday, I had to call in sick due to a cold. Around 1pm whilst feeling like shit, with DC still in bed, I get a text from Dsis announcing she was 2 minutes away. She does this often, I was fuming as house was a tip. When she arrived I told her I wasn’t well, and she just sort of pushed passed me and said “Oh well I’ll make you a cup of tea!!!!!”. She set off my 2 Alsatians who were barking for England and I had to settle them.

Then, as expected, the arsey comments about my kids started. “Little madam is in bed I take it? My daughter was always up by 6 on a weekend for her part-time job!” “What’s he doing? For goodness sake, you need to get him a proper hobby. He’ll wither away, no wonder he’s skin and bones!”. Her DH has ‘aspergers’ (yes I know it’s not called that but that’s the term she uses) and she thinks she’s the autism expert because of it, and implies my DS in non-verbal due to my failings. DS wears headphones when out for sensory reasons and once in a coffee shop she tried to bully him into removing them saying it was rude. Her husband who has a great job in finance is a completely different kettle of fish to my son FFS.

Her kids always had a very regimented routine, both with a long list of chores and several hobbies each, they never had ‘chill’ time. This is simply impossible for my kids due to their additional needs, they would not cope with me forcing things on them. As I say, we’ve come up with our own plans with authorities. DS is getting a grant so I can take him to places for enrichment (and is also slowing building a relationship with a key worker who will take him out) and DD may potentially be able to start a college course early at 15 at a small local animal care college, which is an environment I think she’ll thrive in as the rough, large local comp nearly killed her (horrific bullying). So it’s not like I’ve got nothing in place for them.

She just went on and on. Bla bla bla fucking bla. My kids cannot stand her as she always makes them uncomfortable, goes into DD’s room whilst she’s sleeping and lectures her. Dsis works part-time so is here a lot. Last Monday it was just before DD was going into the shower to get ready (and she was doing well that day, up at 12pm and expressing an interest in doing some baking), Dsis arrived, went up to her room and went on for half an hour about how DD should be up and ready before noon. DD was in tears afterwards and went back to bed for the rest of the day, it set her back.

Anyway, back to Friday, she gave me my drink then took herself upstairs. I could hear her. She tried to talk to non-verbal DS so I went up, and as usual, she looked shocked and appalled when he blanked her. She went into DD’s room with DD fast asleep started loudly clapping her hands (As usual. It’s also a huge sensory trigger for DS and in the midst of everything I heard him slamming his bedroom door repeatedly) shouting “Right you! Up now! You can’t live like this!!!! Your poor mum is ill and you need to pull your weight!!!! Come and make her some soup!!!”. In the end it was humiliating for DD as she had slept just in bottom underwear (her thermostat is broken and her room is boiling) so when Dsis pulled her duvet off she was exposed. DD then started crying and begging me to intervene. This is notable behaviour for DD as she usually doesn’t break down until Dsis leaves (Dsis is a huge anxiety trigger for her) but this time she started crying and having a panic attack in front of Dsis, DD finally ‘snapped’.

I lost my shit, this has been happening consistently for years and I was done. I grabbed her arm, pulled her into the hallway, told her she was a fucking disgrace for bullying my vulnerable kids and basically said “Fuck off and don’t ever talk to me again.” She continued lecturing me about my parenting so I threatened to call the police to get rid of her then she sheepishly left. I then sent her a message saying if she turns up again, she’s not being let in, and forceful attempts WILL result in me calling the police as I feel I have to safeguard my children from her. I also sent a text to my parents to inform them I am done with her. My parents are angry with me but I can’t have her around my kids anymore.

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Brigante9 · 13/11/2022 11:02

I understand why she thinks being harsh will help if she truly believes they are ‘playing you’, but gently, how on earth did you allow her to go upstairs and stay long enough to be so disruptive/upset your dc so much? You are right to ban her from the house, threatening the police will just give her a nominal record (police come, if you’re lucky, take her name but are unlikely to arrest/remove her).

You need more support: are you getting any help with the dc?

Your parents’ opinion is irrelevant, I too would keep your sister away from your dc.

MintyGreenDreams · 13/11/2022 11:02

anxiety and depression are not additional needs imo

redbigbananafeet · 13/11/2022 11:03

PontinsBeach · 13/11/2022 11:01

My DD attemped suicide just before the Summer holidays because of not coping with mainstream school, I’m not risking making her go back when there’s an alternative option available where she can still socialise and get qualifications. She just can’t go until January but it’s all arranged.

So until January she festers in bed til 1pm?

VikingLady · 13/11/2022 11:03

Frankly, she's driven both her children abroad to escape. They literally CANNOT get further away from her. And she thinks she's an expert? Ffs.

You know your kids. You're clearly working with experts, you worry about them and you have plans for helping them. You were totally in the right.

Barring your sister - and throwing her out so dramatically - is also showing your vulnerable children that they are entitled to have boundaries and to enforce them; you just taught them that they don't have to take abuse just because it comes from someone society says should care about them. You're vaccinating them against abusive relationships in the future.

You sound great btw.

(My kids are autistic/ADHD/PDA etc, and we have to home ed as a result)

ThatGirlInACountrySong · 13/11/2022 11:06

In bed gaming?

Is this how kids with additional needs live? Your dd getting gp help for anxiety?

Princessglittery · 13/11/2022 11:06

Wow, talk about a bull in a china shop. You have done the right think as she is having a detrimental impact on both your children.I can’t understand how you could let her repeatedly lecture your DD when it is clearly triggering. You should have stopped this ages ago for your poor DDs sake.

I do think your DD in particular needs help, but through counselling not by being lectured and dragged out of her bed. As someone with MH issues my bed is my safe space but I know that I have to get up and dressed otherwise I spiral downwards. CBT may help your DD.

Could you arrange a neutral place to meet your parents and sister. Say that you need to be able to talk without being shut down, belittled or bullied. If they cannot respect you enough to listen and hear what you are saying then they are not being helpful and you need to break contact.

  1. Barging uninvited into someone’s home is disrespectful and must never happen again.
  2. Explain your DS has ASD and what that means for him e.g. sensory issues and how they impact on him with de personalised statements like when someone tries to remove his headphones it causes him real distress. Give examples of what does help e.g. not making loud noises, allowing him space, accepting his headphones are a disability aid etc.
  3. Then explain your DD’s situation. Again using depersonalised examples of what doesn’t work and makes her worse and what they can do to help.
  4. Given your parents and sister the opportunity to have their say, and do try and listen and acknowledge where they make fair points but point out where their behaviour/understanding is not correct.
Justcallmebebes · 13/11/2022 11:07

Sorry but I a agree with bigredbananafeet. Letting your kids fester all day in bed or play video games is doing them no favours whatsoever.

Your sister is a red herring. Her methods may not be the best, but she is absolutely right

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 13/11/2022 11:10

Wow. I know you were feeling a bit ill, but I'm not sure why you opened the door to her, if this is how she behaves in your house - this isn't the first time she's gone upstairs and barged into your kids' rooms is it?
You're not unreasonable to ban her; it strikes me that it would have been better to have done so earlier, or at least set much clearer boundaries with her.
You said that you usually WFH and finish around 2pm - why does she think it's ok to message you and drop by during your working hours?
Had you ever told her not to?
Similarly have you ever told her that it's not ok to barge into your teenagers' personal space and/or wake them up?
I feel really sorry for your DD - that incident must have been horrific for her.
It's a shame that your parents don't understand why your sister's behaviour is utterly unacceptable, and support you with this.

KettrickenSmiled · 13/11/2022 11:10

She just went on and on. Bla bla bla fucking bla. My kids cannot stand her as she always makes them uncomfortable, goes into DD’s room whilst she’s sleeping and lectures her. Dsis works part-time so is here a lot. Last Monday it was just before DD was going into the shower to get ready (and she was doing well that day, up at 12pm and expressing an interest in doing some baking), Dsis arrived, went up to her room and went on for half an hour about how DD should be up and ready before noon. DD was in tears afterwards and went back to bed for the rest of the day, it set her back.

How in holy hell are you allowing this to happen?
Did your sister used to bully you as a child too - are you used to her just riding rough-shod over you?

redbigbananafeet · 13/11/2022 11:12

ThatGirlInACountrySong · 13/11/2022 11:06

In bed gaming?

Is this how kids with additional needs live? Your dd getting gp help for anxiety?

No it's not. They attend school, courses, study, jobs and are guided to become happy, contributing members of communities and society.

SirDavidAttenborough · 13/11/2022 11:12

Justcallmebebes · 13/11/2022 11:07

Sorry but I a agree with bigredbananafeet. Letting your kids fester all day in bed or play video games is doing them no favours whatsoever.

Your sister is a red herring. Her methods may not be the best, but she is absolutely right

This. It seems they have no education provision at all, just a walk to get a cake and then gaming and more gaming.

WifeMotherWorker · 13/11/2022 11:13

Realistnotpessimist · 13/11/2022 10:39

She's not gone about it in the right way but she's absolutely right that the kids can't live like that.

This

ldontWanna · 13/11/2022 11:13

The only issue here is that you haven't done it sooner. However, well done for sticking up to her now. Just make sure you keep these boundaries in place. Your family will try to make it your fault and make you apologise/back down. Do not. You are doing the right thing for your kids. Let your children know you've done it as well. Not only will they know you have their back, but it might ease any anxiety they might have about her disturbing and bullying them in what should be their safe space.

Princessglittery · 13/11/2022 11:14

@PontinsBeach my response overlapped with your updates. You have a plan for both of your DC and getting them out each day is really positive.

I would also factor in for your DD that this time of year can be particularly hard to get up with dark mornings. However, before college starts she will need to adjust her sleep routine to get up earlier. I use a light box from Lumie that makes a real difference to me in a morning.

Good luck.

CFLandlordStory · 13/11/2022 11:14

MintyGreenDreams · 13/11/2022 11:02

anxiety and depression are not additional needs imo

Your opinion is irrelevant. They are classes as disabilities. At a certain level they become physically disabling as well. You're ignorant.

redbigbananafeet · 13/11/2022 11:14

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OnTheRunWithMannyMontana · 13/11/2022 11:15

OP I would ask MNHQ to get this moved to the SEN board for some more constructive responses.
Unfortunately AIBU seems to bring out most peoples "sanctimonious bitch" mode and it just turns into an OP bashing session from people who have ZERO experience of dealing with teens or children with SEN.

FWIW I would have manhandled her out in the same way. And you sound to be engaging with all the right agencies to get your DC some help.

I have every sympathy. We went through very similar with DC1. She is now up and about during the day, eating better and looking for work. It's been a really difficult journey though. One thing I will say is don't be too excited about the prospect of college as they pick up on this and can start to feel pressured. DC1 ended up dropping out as it was too much for her (ASD, ADHD, anxiety and depression).

PontinsBeach · 13/11/2022 11:17

Yes I agree I will need to prepare DD for college. She is looking forward to college and can’t wait. Though she wasn’t coping with school due to bullying she was gutted to not be able to do her GCSE options etc. she has a future career dream in place. Some days she does get up and will bake, draw etc but others she doesn’t. Dsis’s behaviour has become so awful that her showing up is a genuine fear for DD and I don’t want to blackmail DD by saying “You best be up in case Dsis comes and screams at you”.

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ldontWanna · 13/11/2022 11:18

No it's not. They attend school, courses, study, jobs and are guided to become happy, contributing members of communities and society.

SOME. Some children with SEN and SEMH needs do that. Some have been so fucking traumatised by the system or are so disabled by their needs that just keeping them safe and alive is an achievement.

Plus, OP does have plans in place for them, this is just a transition period.

PontinsBeach · 13/11/2022 11:19

I’ve got lots of plans of things to do for when DS gets his grant. The key-worker thing is a gradual process before they can go out together but they are making real progress and bonding. Everything with DS needs to be taken slowly when introducing something new. And frankly, unfortunately my DS will never work so I don’t see the need to pressure him with school when it puts him under so much stress.

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KettrickenSmiled · 13/11/2022 11:21

PontinsBeach · 13/11/2022 11:02

I do try to explain things to her but she patronises and doesn’t take me seriously.

There's no point in explaining OP - she doesn't WANT to understand. She wants you & your kids to be caricatures that she's mislabeled in her own mind, so that she can continue to lord it over you.
outofthefog.website/what-not-to-do-1/2015/12/3/jade-dont-justify-argue-defend-explain

Have a look here as well - I think you will recognise your sister's abuse tactics when you start reading up around dysfunctional family dynamics -
outofthefog.website/toolbox-intro

Well done for finally showing her the door - especially threatening her with removal by the police, that was inspired.
You will feel a LOT better without her constant carping. Don't back down, & don't allow your parents to become - unwittingly or otherwise - her Flying Monkeys.
www.aconsciousrethink.com/6891/avoid-flying-monkeys/

CFLandlordStory · 13/11/2022 11:22

There is so much ignorance on this thread.

OP i am so sorry for you and your children. I know how hard it is for your DD and supportive people like you are so rare. You are wonderful. Your sister is ignorant and a bully.

fUNNYfACE36 · 13/11/2022 11:23

SirDavidAttenborough · 13/11/2022 11:12

This. It seems they have no education provision at all, just a walk to get a cake and then gaming and more gaming.

I imagine your parents and siblings are very concerned. I would be extremely worried if youngsters in my extended family were being parented like this.
Your dc should be in education.i am not sure why you think your dds anxiety will magically melt away come January after 6 months of hiding away.That will make her anxiety worse not better

ldontWanna · 13/11/2022 11:23

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Bullshit.

That's what narrow minded,uneducated, presumptuous people assume.

The ones that have even a vague idea of how bad it can be, how long it takes for diagnosis and appointments to come through, how underfunded the system is etc know that sometimes this is the outcome and OP is doing her best.

Ffsmakeitstop · 13/11/2022 11:30

Some of the judgement on this thread is awful. If my DC had attempted suicide due to school no way would I force them back.
Well done op for being a brilliant parent to your kids.