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Cleaner had her DC there with her today

461 replies

changinglanesagain · 11/11/2022 18:14

I've had my cleaned for about 3 months. She's really good. I really like her work

Anyway, I gave her a key last week and today I popped home for lunch unexpectedly. She had her DD there with her...

Apparently it's a teacher training day for them and so her DD had to come too. I asked why she couldn't reschedule to do another date or even better, come this evening?

She said she couldn't come this evening due to her DS coming home, he's disabled, and she'd just much rather not let me down for my allocated day so thought she'd just being DD along

I said okay... and that was that

AIBU to think she should've asked my permission first?

So not to drip feed, she was sat at my dining table doing colouring and had a few toys out

OP posts:
Thisisworsethananticpated · 15/11/2022 20:56

Have a heart
jesus

mathanxiety · 16/11/2022 05:12

It may well be the case that you don't have to put on clothes in your own home while you work for someone else in your kitchen or your garden shed, or wherever. But plenty of people are obliged to adhere to some sort of dress code while working from home for an employer. Your experience of what you can do in your own house isn't universal and doesn't bolster the idea that the OP is queen of the castle.

MissVantaBlack · 16/11/2022 16:53

@mathanxiety I'm not quite sure I understand the point you're making...are you saying that because some employers can impose a dress code on their employees even when said employees are working from home, the OP must also be prepared to have certain conditions (ie having the cleaner's child there) imposed on her, in her own home?

mathanxiety · 16/11/2022 21:13

@MissVantaBlack
I was responding to SillieSarah, who thinks you can dictate everything that goes on within your four walls.
The place of work is the clients home/property so they have full control.
i work from home in my pjs and will not change. Employer can’t force me to put on clothes.

My point is that that the home is not necessarily the castle.

Lots of people don't have full control over what they wear or even how long they can be away from their screens while wfh.

SillieSarah · 16/11/2022 21:48

mathanxiety · 16/11/2022 21:13

@MissVantaBlack
I was responding to SillieSarah, who thinks you can dictate everything that goes on within your four walls.
The place of work is the clients home/property so they have full control.
i work from home in my pjs and will not change. Employer can’t force me to put on clothes.

My point is that that the home is not necessarily the castle.

Lots of people don't have full control over what they wear or even how long they can be away from their screens while wfh.

Yes you can dictate what happens in your own home if you have a cleaner. You have a responsibility.

mu employer can ask me to put on different clothing, I’ll throw a strop and probably make up some excuse so I get out of it, discrimination of some sort

mathanxiety · 16/11/2022 21:56

Yes you can dictate what happens in your own home if you have a cleaner. You have a responsibility.

A whatnow?

mu employer can ask me to put on different clothing, I’ll throw a strop and probably make up some excuse so I get out of it, discrimination of some sort

I see. Good luck with that.

SillieSarah · 19/11/2022 13:01

mathanxiety · 16/11/2022 21:56

Yes you can dictate what happens in your own home if you have a cleaner. You have a responsibility.

A whatnow?

mu employer can ask me to put on different clothing, I’ll throw a strop and probably make up some excuse so I get out of it, discrimination of some sort

I see. Good luck with that.

Yes that didn’t come out right.

My point being its her home, her rules.

ButterCrackers · 19/11/2022 13:08

SillieSarah · 19/11/2022 13:01

Yes that didn’t come out right.

My point being its her home, her rules.

Absolutely. What about insurance matters if the child broke/damaged/was herself injured? Accidents happen even with the best care being taken (by a child)

Duchess379 · 19/11/2022 16:22

I had a cleaner who did this. Her teenage daughter tagged along & helped her mum. It was no big issue.

ButterCrackers · 19/11/2022 16:43

Duchess379 · 19/11/2022 16:22

I had a cleaner who did this. Her teenage daughter tagged along & helped her mum. It was no big issue.

You paid the both of them properly or just the working adult?

Djmaggie · 19/11/2022 16:56

Of course she should not have brought any additional people (child or adult) in to your home without checking with you first. Personally I wouldn’t mind her bringing her child as a one off, but I would expect her to double check if it was okay as a courtesy first.

Miajk · 19/11/2022 17:05

changinglanesagain · 11/11/2022 18:17

I just think she should've asked me first, that's all

Seems odd she wouldn't ask for my blessing and just not mention it at all if I hadn't showed up

If I was your cleaner I wouldn't appreciate being interrogated like this, you don't sound like you're a nice person to work for.

No need to be passive aggressive either, if you care so much about something so minor just tell her "hey, in the future would you mind giving me a heads up" or whatever it is you need.

Miajk · 19/11/2022 17:08

changinglanesagain · 11/11/2022 19:40

I think she knew she did wrong by not asking first because she didn't wait to be paid when the jobs were done, she left quite quickly with a quick goodbye

Or she left quickly because you made it so awkward and uncomfortable for her - quizzing her on why her child is there, why she didn't reschedule, instead of behaving like a normal person.

Onlyforcake · 19/11/2022 17:08

I work(ed) in people's homes. I'd never bring in anyone without clearing it with the homeowner. It's a basic courtesy.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 19/11/2022 22:02

ButterCrackers · 19/11/2022 16:43

You paid the both of them properly or just the working adult?

You can’t just turn up with a helper and expect them to get to paid if it hasn’t been agreed upon previously.

ButterCrackers · 19/11/2022 22:11

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 19/11/2022 22:02

You can’t just turn up with a helper and expect them to get to paid if it hasn’t been agreed upon previously.

do you think its ok for your place to be cleaned by a child helping? I’d not have a child working for me like that. I assume that there’s a law preventing such child labour? It’s something I’d check with social services .

Conkersareback · 20/11/2022 18:16

@ButterCrackers presumably the agreement was for maybe three hours work? If because the daughter was there and they did it in 1.5 hours x 2, it's still three hours?

That's the agreement!

Are you saying you'd pay more? If so, you're a fool!

ButterCrackers · 20/11/2022 19:31

Conkersareback · 20/11/2022 18:16

@ButterCrackers presumably the agreement was for maybe three hours work? If because the daughter was there and they did it in 1.5 hours x 2, it's still three hours?

That's the agreement!

Are you saying you'd pay more? If so, you're a fool!

no I’m not a fool. I don’t expect a child to do the work that an adult is being paid for. There must be a law that protects child’s rights on this aspect.

Conkersareback · 20/11/2022 19:37

@ButterCrackers the child was downstairs colouring GrinGrinGrin

The cleaner is not Scrooge!

So funny you think the child was working!

Do you think the cleaner sent her up the chimney?

ButterCrackers · 20/11/2022 19:57

Conkersareback · 20/11/2022 19:37

@ButterCrackers the child was downstairs colouring GrinGrinGrin

The cleaner is not Scrooge!

So funny you think the child was working!

Do you think the cleaner sent her up the chimney?

ah so you are back to the details of the post - the cleaner should not have brought her child with her to work without the prior agreement of the customer who owns/rents/manages the place where the cleaning is done.The question of insurance springs to mind but I get that this is not something you’d be bothered about.

Conkersareback · 20/11/2022 20:00

@ButterCrackers not bothered about at all, neither is OP, she confirmed had she been asked all was ok!

So why are you bringing "insurance" into it, when OP doesn't?

ButterCrackers · 20/11/2022 20:11

Conkersareback · 20/11/2022 20:00

@ButterCrackers not bothered about at all, neither is OP, she confirmed had she been asked all was ok!

So why are you bringing "insurance" into it, when OP doesn't?

The OP was not asked before the cleaner arrived. She came back to her home and the child was there alone in a room whilst her mother was cleaning.
The cleaner is covered for accident and damage as part of the cleaning contract. Her taking her child with her to her job without the prior agreement of the customer is not part of the contract.

Conkersareback · 20/11/2022 20:12

@ButterCrackers that's all nonsense! What insurance covers her?

ButterCrackers · 20/11/2022 20:23

Conkersareback · 20/11/2022 20:12

@ButterCrackers that's all nonsense! What insurance covers her?

It’s not nonsense. It’s basic accident and damage insurance for people when they are doing their work.

Conkersareback · 20/11/2022 20:24

@ButterCrackers who pays the premium for this "insurance"? Who is the insured and who is the premium payer?