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Be honest: Do you judge married women without kids?

309 replies

oxymomon · 09/11/2022 21:24

When you meet a woman who has been married for years, and doesn't have children, do you (A) make assumptions about why they don't have children; (B) ask them why they don't have children (feel it's your place to seek answers); (C) judge them for not having children; (D) all of the above; or (E) none of the above? Be honest. What do you really think...

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ReneBumsWombats · 11/11/2022 10:50

I sometimes wonder why they don't have kids and whether it's a choice or not, but I never ask because it's absolutely none of my business and if they want me to know, they'll tell me.

TheKeatingFive · 11/11/2022 11:00

Why would anyone judge? I don't even understand that.

It's absolutely none of my business why someone doesn't have kids. If they don't want them, that's totally down to them, more power to them. If they haven't been able to have them, then I'd be mortified to force them to explain that to me.

I just see no reason at all to go there

ladyofshertonabbas · 11/11/2022 11:01

I do judge them, yes. Favourably.

Dailymash · 11/11/2022 11:13

Good grief I was married for YEARS before we had children - nice to know people were probably judging my child-free existence and pondering exactly why I hadn’t yet popped out a sprog.

To anyone who wonders why a child-free married friend doesn’t have children - it’s absolutely none of your business.

BlueEyedMansView · 11/11/2022 11:19

BosaNova · 11/11/2022 10:11

As explained in a thread. Men do not get the same judgment and are not generally told they don't know what real love is and their life has really no proper meaning until they have kids

Unfortunately my experience is different, "Men do not get the same judgment and are not generally told they don't know what real love is and their life has really no proper meaning until they have kids" is excaxtly what men will say, either direct or indirect. The indirect way has a nastier sting to it.It seems that a lot of men, don't seem to realise or understand that nature does not always cooperate

puffyisgood · 11/11/2022 11:27

You might sometimes wonder why, of course, but I can't see why you'd ever "judge" in the sense of telling yourself that what they're doing is 'right' or 'wrong'. It's really none of your business. I know plenty of childless women who are married or in relationships. Usually it's a case of them having met someone too late but it's also quite common for people just not to want them.

KimberleyClark · 11/11/2022 11:31

puffyisgood · 11/11/2022 11:27

You might sometimes wonder why, of course, but I can't see why you'd ever "judge" in the sense of telling yourself that what they're doing is 'right' or 'wrong'. It's really none of your business. I know plenty of childless women who are married or in relationships. Usually it's a case of them having met someone too late but it's also quite common for people just not to want them.

It also happens that they’ve met someone at a perfectly good age to have children but not been able to have them. I was 29 when I started ttc. It’s not always a question of “too late”.

rudebanana · 11/11/2022 11:32

Ducksinthebath · 10/11/2022 17:39

I’ve been a regular recipient of what I like to call the ‘double judge’: the immediate assumption that you didn’t or couldn’t procreate and therefore focussed on becoming wildly successful and wealthy, then absolute bafflement or even disgust that you’re not as successful or wealthy as they assumed you’d be.

There are more than two modes of how to be a woman.

Oh my god yes this!! So you chose not have children but you’re just an assistant?? Well you must be a wonderful homemaker (🤢) then.....no we live on salads or take always and I get someone once a month to do a deep clean. The shock and horror! What is your purpose in life then?? Yes this has been said to me 😂

Many many years ago DH received a two year contract to work in his home country. It is a popular island tourist destination so of course I was going with!! I struggled to find a job but did lots of volunteering as like many popular holiday spots most of the citizens don’t benefit. Anyway my mother said well seeing as I won’t be doing anything for a couple years I might as well have a baby. Give me something to do....

curious79 · 11/11/2022 11:33

E none of the above. No shits to give, don't care. More likely to be thinking about something I have or haven't done, do I look fat in this, will anyone notice the spikey hair on my chin, why is this person unfriendly / looking sad / how lovely they are, am I being offensive / too quiet / funny / too serious.
Questions about children are like the weather - fillers, a way to ask someone about themselves on the basis that lots of people have them (or nieces or step kids) so they often end up being a point of shared experience.

KimberleyClark · 11/11/2022 11:37

rudebanana · 11/11/2022 11:32

Oh my god yes this!! So you chose not have children but you’re just an assistant?? Well you must be a wonderful homemaker (🤢) then.....no we live on salads or take always and I get someone once a month to do a deep clean. The shock and horror! What is your purpose in life then?? Yes this has been said to me 😂

Many many years ago DH received a two year contract to work in his home country. It is a popular island tourist destination so of course I was going with!! I struggled to find a job but did lots of volunteering as like many popular holiday spots most of the citizens don’t benefit. Anyway my mother said well seeing as I won’t be doing anything for a couple years I might as well have a baby. Give me something to do....

Yes there is this assumption that if you don’t have kids you should be doing something amazing instead like walking up Kilimanjaro for charity or being a mega successful business woman. Anything other than quietly living your life.

EmeraldShamrock1 · 11/11/2022 11:38

No.

If I felt anything it would be tinges of jealousy.

OP83 · 11/11/2022 12:24

I judge people who have kids they clearly didn't want or don't bother to raise correctly FAR more than someone childless (married or otherwise).

I see so many people day-to-day who clearly aren't suited to being parents (I don't mean struggling, I mean actively negligent, disinterested and selfish) and really SHOULDN'T have had children that I have a great respect for anyone who decides it isn't for them.

I have never wanted, nor do I have children of my own (I'm a step-parent which I wanted to do a decent job at hence my presence here). I have always felt this way and it would be unfair of me to have children just because it's the 'done thing' if I didn't TRULY want them.

SleeplessInEngland · 11/11/2022 12:26

Rightly or wrongly I'd assume they didn't want any. And I'd obviously never ask.

IncompleteSenten · 11/11/2022 13:30

I don't give a shit who has kids and who doesn't.

MaryShelley1818 · 11/11/2022 13:32

It genuinely wouldn't cross my mind.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 11/11/2022 13:35

I remember once when I’d been married about four years a colleague asking “any sign of a family yet?”

My record was six weeks.

Choconut · 11/11/2022 13:43

I wouldn't make any negative judgement, but I have asked people before if they wanted to have kids.

KimberleyClark · 11/11/2022 13:46

Choconut · 11/11/2022 13:43

I wouldn't make any negative judgement, but I have asked people before if they wanted to have kids.

Why? It’s none of your business.

SleepingStandingUp · 11/11/2022 13:49

Choconut · 11/11/2022 13:43

I wouldn't make any negative judgement, but I have asked people before if they wanted to have kids.

And how do you react if one says "yes, but we've been trying for 10 years, I've just had my 5th miscarriage last week and we can't afford any more IVF" and bursts into tears? Because unless you're close enough to take all that on and support her, you shouldn't be asking

MRSDoos · 11/11/2022 14:06

We had a lot of people ask us when we were having children straight after we got married and some on our wedding evening…

We had lost twins 3 weeks prior to our wedding day 😞

RoseAndGeranium · 11/11/2022 14:11

MRSDoos · 11/11/2022 14:06

We had a lot of people ask us when we were having children straight after we got married and some on our wedding evening…

We had lost twins 3 weeks prior to our wedding day 😞

I’m so sorry. I was asked by a male family member when we were going to have our second whilst in the middle of my second consecutive miscarriage. It’s awful and I don’t know why people do it.

MRSDoos · 11/11/2022 14:14

@RoseAndGeranium my dad asked me a month after my miscarriage “when are you finally giving me a grandchild!”

people are very insensitive

RoseAndGeranium · 11/11/2022 14:17

@MRSDoos They really are. Hope things are better for you now. 💐

MRSDoos · 11/11/2022 14:20

@RoseAndGeranium thank you x currently 14 weeks pregnant 🌈

RoseAndGeranium · 11/11/2022 14:22

@MRSDoos Congratulations! So pleased for you. Hope you have a lovely, happy pregnancy.