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AIBU?

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To expect my DiL to come to us for Xmas?

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maryanne3 · 07/11/2022 12:52

Another year, and yet again my daughter in law has announced that she will be going to her parents for Xmas. She says DS can do as he chooses, and in the past he has just come to us by himself; but I know he misses being with her at Xmas. We get along well with her otherwise, and I understand that she comes from a big family, some of whom live in France, and it is difficult to organise them all getting together over Xmas, but they have been a couple for 16 years now and she has never come to us for the day. AIBU to expect that we get a turn every other year?

OP posts:
C8H10N4O2 · 08/11/2022 20:10

Freddosforall · 08/11/2022 19:28

You know what? I genuinely wouldn't mind. I'd mind if my sons never wanted to visit me (but I'd examine my own behaviour first to see why that was) but if they said, for example, that they planned to spend every Xmas day in holiday, I wouldn't mind at all. I'd invite them over for twixmas or new year or whatever and we'd all have a pizza and a walk and a laugh, and I wouldn't mind at all. Xmas is supposed to be a time of celebration, fun and relaxation to help get us through the winter, I don't understand why so many people make their leisure time into work and then upset themselves over it. (Kn another thread recently someone said they'd prefer to stay home alone than go to a house that substituted pie for turkey. I'll never, ever, understand that way of thinking. For me, fun is supposed to be fun.)

Yes - its hard to see what pleasure there is in coercing people when you don't even like them much, to turn up for Christmas out of some sense of "duty", knowing that by forcing the issue they cannot spend the time with their own family rarely here.

Why not spend it with people who want to be with you and share your company? And recognise that when people can only see key family members a couple of times a year doing Christmas on one of the surrounding days means everyone gets time together and a double Christmas.

WTAFhappened123 · 08/11/2022 20:12

Can’t her family invite you??

fib88 · 08/11/2022 20:13

She sounds very selfish - do they have children, if so you miss out on seeing them too!
Why not invite you to go to her parents too?

Tomitma111 · 08/11/2022 20:14

To be honest why force someone to do something they do not want to do?

pollykitty · 08/11/2022 20:15

Honestly why do parents of grown married children continue to expect Christmas at their own house? Pass the torch and go to them or ask to meet them halfway. I’m 50 and find it so incredibly aggravating that my parents continue to expect everyone to come to there house for a big meal and presents, even when my brothers had young children at home for past 20 years and even now that I have a DD (she’s 10, yes I had her at 40). I told them they have an open invitation to our house every Christmas, we are not going anywhere.

anon2022anon · 08/11/2022 20:16

Well I think this thread won't have the resolution you want, so presuming that she will continue to go to her parents on christmas day for the foreseeable, whats your next best alternative?

I personally think that the nex time your son/ DIL say we hope we can come to you another day, you say- actually I think we need some new traditions. Can we come to you this 27th and you cook for us, and we do alternative years?
Or- this year we're thinking of having a Christmas Eve party and swapping presents then. Would DIL be available then?

Smoom · 08/11/2022 20:19

Ivymom · 08/11/2022 19:29

My philosophy with holidays is that I get at most 18 years with each child that I get to decide what we do. After that, I can make plans and request their participation, but can’t make them attend, nor would I want to. My husband and I have chosen our traditions with this in mind. We are prepared to modify them once our children are adults and can decide for themselves how they want to spend their holidays.

We do Christmas with just us and our children. We don’t go to the homes of relatives on Christmas Eve or Day. We are making sure we get to enjoy our time with our children on our terms and are hoping we create memories that they also enjoy. If we celebrate with other relatives, it is always on another day.

We don’t care if others think we are selfish. We are making memories for ourselves and our children. We don’t expect anyone to accommodate us and move their celebrations to another day. We just expect them to accept the fact that we won’t be there on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day. We accept the fact that when our children are grown, we will probably have to celebrate on a different day and will most likely miss celebrating in person with some of our children some years.

It seems to me that many people of my generation share my philosophy and are focused on pleasing themselves when it comes to holidays. My own parents and in-laws were focused on doing Christmas at the grandparents’s house and were expecting their turn once they became the grandparents.

It was sometimes difficult for them to accept that they wasted their years when their children were minors. We am not saying that they didn’t enjoy their Christmases, just that they wasted their opportunities to decide on the plans. We aren’t willing to do that and feel that we are more than able to graciously accept the loss of our traditional family Christmas when the time comes because we have taken those days for ourselves.

OP, you are not unreasonable to be disappointed and to wish things were different, but your DIL is also not unreasonable to do what makes her happy for Christmas. I’m sorry that you and others in your generation were pressured into giving up your ideal celebrations to appease cultural norms and other relatives.

I think you sound like a lovely MIL/mom and I’m sure your son and DIL treasure their relationships with you. My advice is to plan your Christmas celebration on the day that best fits your schedule. If that is Christmas Day because that is when your other children are available, then schedule it for that day. Invite son and DIL and accept the fact that they probably won’t attend. If you are willing to do a smaller celebration with them separately on an alternative day, schedule that with them. If everyone is willing to celebrate another day, then do the full Christmas on that day. As hard as it may be, in the long run, it would be best to let go of the idea of everyone being together Christmas Day and focus on having a wonderful celebration whatever day you can all get together.

It sounds to me like everyone in this situation are lovely people who genuinely enjoy spending time with each other. I don’t think anyone is entitled, just there are expectations not being met and intentions are being misunderstood.

I agree!

Ellyess · 08/11/2022 20:23

Christmas is filled with over-expectation of hopes and ideas about doing special things, especially family things, most of which are a huge strain and very difficult to achieve. People develop ridiculous expectations about having this perfect day when everybody has to do things right and everything has to be exactly right. It is not possible. It is just one day in the darkest, dullest, cold part of the year. Too much effort is put into trying to control every single little thing, from the exact right present for everyone to the spare lights for the tree, to the stuffing for the bird, to where everyone will sit at dinner, to where will the Grandparents sleep, to do we have enough towels and what will the children wear, and who will pick up the grandparents........ every detail has to be controlled. By mum. The strain is incredible. Mum has to make sure everyone is happy. That is impossible.

It's time to stop all this crazy over expectation and hyper active crazy rushing about demanding that everything be just so. Just stop doing it.

Of course, some people don't have a family now and can't make the journey to the grandchildren and are alone in a cold house worrying about putting on heating because they haven't got the money and are just having a sandwich because standing up preparing food is too painful. These lone individuals will spend the day alone.

I don't really care where your DIL goes on 25th December. It doesn't seem important to her to be with her husband and his family, so if I were you, I'd stop bothering about her.

Christmas was a day put by for Christians to remember the birth of Jesus. We know it's not the exact birthday, but the consensus at some time was to have it this day. Whatever you think, there's no harm in remembering Jesus was born in a humble outbuilding for the animals. It was hardly a highly prepared first Christmas, despite that it was prophesied many years before. His mum and step-dad could not have been less prepared. Forget about a nursery bedroom with a cot, they didn't even their own home, being as they were in the middle of a rather inconvenient journey, that was by no means a relaxing all-inclusive luxury travel trip. I don't even know if they had food. I imagine their in-laws weren't much help at the time.

But let's not forget, some incredible things happened that were all prophesied beforehand. Our Saviour came to earth, born of an unmarried mother. She gave birth practically outdoors in a shed with animals around, (and we know what animals do everywhere). Actual, real Angels sang. Shepherds turned up and a bit later some very posh and revered top class clever men arrived, having made a long journey, because they knew that Jesus was the Son of God.

We could remember that.

That's all that matters.

The rest can look after itself.

Realtalk2022 · 08/11/2022 20:23

OP I think you need to invite your DIL and her whole family over or forever hold your peace.

Personally, if I was you, I'd ask myself how it even got to this. I personally visit my in laws on Xmas morning for breakfast, with my endearing husband, and then we jet off to my family home for a really wholesome day. It's where we actually have a genuine laugh and a joke, and feel genuine love and welcomed.

Far better for us than the fakery at his parents, low key bitchiness and adult attention seeking toxicity that takes place if we stayed any longer past breakfast!

Occasions and festivities are to be shared with the people you love the company of. No I don't love my in laws, but I can be around them for short bursts on occasions because they are capable of maintaining a degree of good behaviour when we are around. The minute the real them starts to show up we duck and dive!

Everyone is busy these days! Family time is precious. No one should be stupid enough to oblige and rob themselves of quality family time. If I full in disliked my in laws, I would never oblige on occasions!

YABVVVU.

Swonderful · 08/11/2022 20:24

I'm not a mil yet but on balance I would be really pleased with your situation- seeing everyone over Christmas and new year.

We never have everyone together at Christmas on either side due to various family issues. We have spent Christmas with my mil for 15 years. No we haven't fallen out, they just like to have Christmas by themselves which I really don't get.

Highover · 08/11/2022 20:25

C8H10N4O2 · 08/11/2022 19:53

I've read all 98 of your posts on this subject and the most striking thing is that not once in those 98 posts have you actually said you like your DiL, you miss her company, you enjoy spending time with her.

The whole line of your argument has been that you are entitled to expect her attendance and that you endured unenjoyable Christmases for years and therefore your family should do as well.

You shift from suggesting this is a mutually agreed arrangement between them to your DS only doing this because she forces him and makes things difficult. Frankly that is for DS to decide but couples each going to their own family is not uncommon if there are no children to consider.

They suggest doing Christmas with you on another day when her overseas family are not there and that is too much trouble for you.

If you had once, in all those posts talked about feeling sad that she wasn't there because you like her I'd have some sympathy. It strikes me your DiL wants to spend time with the family she only sees a couple of times per year but also with people who actually like her.

Op does say that she likes her dil very much, so you must have missed that one.

I’m with op and wonder how many of the posters here, who are adamant that an adult can choose where they want to spend Christmas regardless of other people’s feelings, are doing that themselves. I imagine most will be taking turns as most of us do.
I think a declaration of personal plans at the end of each post would be revealing.

Realtalk2022 · 08/11/2022 20:27

fib88 · 08/11/2022 20:13

She sounds very selfish - do they have children, if so you miss out on seeing them too!
Why not invite you to go to her parents too?

In laws need to stop being entitled to share in the couple and their own little family. When children and parents have a healthy relationship, the OP situation would not occur. There is clearly something underlying that has caused the DIL to not share this occasion.

mindutopia · 08/11/2022 20:28

It’s a bit odd. I can’t imagine not spending Christmas with dh’s family.

But I suspect this probably has more to do with her family than yours. Perhaps she gets abuse when she doesn’t come to family events when summoned, as it sounds like the other siblings do. Perhaps her mum or dad is very dramatic about Christmas Day being a family thing. Maybe she is just made to feel guilty if she tries to balance everyone’s needs. We often don’t really know what goes on within families even when they otherwise seem nice and normal.

I’d just keep making her know she’s welcome. Ask her over for Boxing Day, NUE, etc.

LaDamaDeElche · 08/11/2022 20:34

I think YABU. You don't know the expectations her family may put on her to have Xmas with them. If that's not the case and she just loves Xmas with her family (some of whom it sounds like she doesn't see much). If you have a good relationship otherwise and she spends time with you, this is something you may just have to accept. She isn't emotionally blackmailing your son ti always be with her, so you just have to accept her choice.

CJsGoldfish · 08/11/2022 20:35

but mostly I just say he can go to hers so as not to split them up over Xmas
Surely they are adults and will do what suits them? If they are 'split' it's probably because it is a solution that suits them both so stop moaning.
If you can't, do an alternative day. Lots of families do.

Lovely that life is so clear cut
Meh. Sometimes it is. 🤷‍♀️

MyMumSaysALot · 08/11/2022 20:38

My husband and I had this dilemma.
Our families lived in states on the extreme opposite sides of the U.S.
We made every effort to spend holidays with both.
The difference was, our families understood.

MdNdD · 08/11/2022 20:39

Why not have a big family Christmas Day on another day? There’s no reason to not celebrate it a few days earlier or later with everyone there. Or make a different tradition - New Year’s Day party instead. Or just ask her if she’d like to come one year. Too late this year of course.

Heldathunpoint2022 · 08/11/2022 20:42

So you’re aware what will happen next year so arrange a day when all your sons and partners will be available and do your Christmas Day then, the 25th is just a made up date it doesn’t mean anything, loads of us who share children with our exs do it ever year - and they are actual children who believe in Santa!

toomuchlaundry · 08/11/2022 20:43

@MdNdD she had asked. Even booked a cottage one year that DIL said she would go to and then went to her parents instead. But according to many posters on here that behaviour is fine

oobedobe · 08/11/2022 20:43

YABU
Though I am not sure you can 'expect' her to come.

I do think it is the polite and considerate thing to do to spend the occasional Christmas with you.

Not alternate every year for ever and ever but I think to never ever spend one or two Christmases with the in-laws is a bit selfish.

Yes people can love their own family christmases dearly, but to not even experience a different Christmas with the other side of your family seems well a bit rude.

Part of being a family is sharing important occasions together and her constantly prioritizing her own family is hurtful to the OP.

C8H10N4O2 · 08/11/2022 20:49

Highover · 08/11/2022 20:25

Op does say that she likes her dil very much, so you must have missed that one.

I’m with op and wonder how many of the posters here, who are adamant that an adult can choose where they want to spend Christmas regardless of other people’s feelings, are doing that themselves. I imagine most will be taking turns as most of us do.
I think a declaration of personal plans at the end of each post would be revealing.

"I like her very much otherwise" which is not an unconditional "I like her very much" and its very much expressed as DiL's duty rather than a sense of sadness or missing DiL isn't it?

As for personal plans - before we had DC we each saw our own as well as the others on a different day, after DC we saw both sets of parents until travelling to them became impractical and we invited all of them to us. Neither side ever implied it was our "duty" just made it clear that it would a pleasure to see us.

I'm on the parental side now four times over. The doors are open, all are welcome to come to us and I'd cheerfully host the hordes and love every minute with them, but there is no obligation or "duty" guilt tripping.
Sometimes we have second Christmas for those who have other commitments or work - it honestly wouldn't occur to me to complain that we didn't want to make do with the secondary day or that it was too much trouble because its the people who matter, not the date (and OP has said they are not religious).

phoenixrosehere · 08/11/2022 20:49

Highover · 08/11/2022 20:25

Op does say that she likes her dil very much, so you must have missed that one.

I’m with op and wonder how many of the posters here, who are adamant that an adult can choose where they want to spend Christmas regardless of other people’s feelings, are doing that themselves. I imagine most will be taking turns as most of us do.
I think a declaration of personal plans at the end of each post would be revealing.

Or they have spent years doing what their parents want and have decided that they should be able to spend Christmas how they want and applaud those who have not fallen into the family politics that comes with the holiday season.

Besttobe8001 · 08/11/2022 20:52

Are we to be judged solely on what we do on Christmas day?

I have a wonderful relationship with my mother, we see each other all the time and spend a lot of time on the phone together, we go to each others birthdays, and to funerals and weddings together, we go to dinner, or to lunch, we go shopping, we talk on the phone almost daily. We send each other cards and flowers. I drive her to the supermarket and to the doctors and wherever else she needs to go.

I won't be spending Christmas with her because I have other plans.

Am I selfish and awful? or am I a good daughter who happens to want to do something on else on one day of the year that doesn't and has never seemed terribly important to me?

Toomuchtrouble4me · 08/11/2022 21:01

She can do as she pleases. My DH’s family are ok, but I much, much prefer my family to my DH’s and would NEVER not go to my mums or have her to us at Christmas. DH always stays with me but should he ever choose to go to his mums he’d be going alone.

Toomuchtrouble4me · 08/11/2022 21:02

Besttobe8001 · 08/11/2022 20:52

Are we to be judged solely on what we do on Christmas day?

I have a wonderful relationship with my mother, we see each other all the time and spend a lot of time on the phone together, we go to each others birthdays, and to funerals and weddings together, we go to dinner, or to lunch, we go shopping, we talk on the phone almost daily. We send each other cards and flowers. I drive her to the supermarket and to the doctors and wherever else she needs to go.

I won't be spending Christmas with her because I have other plans.

Am I selfish and awful? or am I a good daughter who happens to want to do something on else on one day of the year that doesn't and has never seemed terribly important to me?

Depends if she’s spending it alone then no, you’re not a great daughter.

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