Albanian migrants question

[Notthetoothfairy]

Everyone knows the U.K. is really short of staff since Brexit and that is pushing up prices for food etc. If we now (like it or not) have a huge influx of Albanian young men who actually want to work, wouldn’t we be better off letting them legally get jobs here and treating them like the Europeans who left?

Maybe I’m being too simplistic here but I’m not sure how keeping them unhappily detained for long periods in processing centres then spending something like £7m a day putting them in hotels without letting them work is helping anyone. Obviously it’s different if someone has just come over to claim benefits and has no intention of working but I get the impression that’s not the case for a lot of these young men.

If you think I’m wrong, you can explain why and still be nice about it 😁

Further to this, how many are already here?

Nice to read another thread describing how my husband is a drug lord and a pimp. How about I start a thread about the Jews and money?! Oh no that is not acceptable. But Albanians say what the hell you like.

I think it's like all groups of people OP - SOME Albanian men are in gangs, drugs, etc etc etc. But not ALL. Some do want to come to improve their lives - life is crap in Albania - poverty, no jobs, no education. I heard an albanian being interviewed on the radio and he worked for 12 years in London on building sites. He made a good life for himself. He's gone back to Albania now, but is encouraging his 2 sons to do similar. I heard young men being interviewed - they cant go to uni in Albania, there is nothing there for them. They want to come the UK for a better life - as has been happening for centuries - people move around to find a better life - it doesnt meant they are criminals. And of course the criminal elements get all the attention. Just like the Irish in America - "oh they are all drunks, they just fight" - yes some , but a lot just got on with it and worked hard and made lives for themselves, and their children.

Lol 'that left' very British way of saying 'that we pushed out, like the unkind and unwelcoming ingrates that we are'

Don't make Albanians come here and work for us for next to nothing only to boot them out when we're done with them. Let them go to a civilised country. We should suffer for what we did.

I also wish that people would stop quoting 'fit and healthy ' younger people. A lot of people from these countries have had Pneumonia, TB etc which has caused scarring on the lungs. Having malaria etc causes long term issues, as does hepatitis. Our health services are underfunded, but we now also have the number of people using them rising and rising.

It's not a crime to be an "economic migrant" is it?? Is it a crime to be poor now - that's what these far right groups will have you think.

Economic migrants come with a work visa and a place to live.

@Ponoka7 i quite agree. We somehow have to get people to see they can’t have so many children. We also need to empower women to access contraception

I’m not the one who suggested the migrants were all involved in drugs etc, just those who are already here and actually want to do legitimate work should be allowed to.

@Ponoka7 so if foreign workers can't get a DBS, how are so many of the care workers in this country not born here? The average wage in Albania is about £1700 a year, they'd get that a MONTH here and as young single men, they can live in HMO's quite comfortably. The point you seem to be ignoring is that they can LEGALLY enter the country via the visa system. They have zero need to enter the country on a dingy or in the back of a lorry unless they intend to disappear off into the black economy

This thread is not about your husband though.
I have Ukranian roots and I don’t get upset by threads where people talk about the issues they’re experiencing with their Ukranian guests.
People should be able to discuss things that bother them, shutting down conversation doesn’t help.

What did we do?

Most European countries have got a labour shortage currently.

It amazes me that nearly everyone seems to have forgotten the damage done by Covid. Many industries saw people lose their jobs/unable to work due to lockdown, those workers have found more stable employment in other sectors.

Workers from Romania did various jobs in the UK before Romania became a full EU country, once Romania became a full EU country they were then allowed to work in any industry they wanted and had full freedom of movement.

The NHS is well known to employ migrant workers, only 5% come from EU countries, the majority come from much further away. And there really needs to be a serious discussion of the brain drain we cause other countries.

This wave of migrants / invasion is not for anything other than money and they are not coming here to help us, our country or find a life of contentment in our communities helping others. There are always exceptions, just not many in this latest invasion, and some of their activities are causing horrendous societal issues and will damage us all in years to come, with some of the youngest in our societyalready engaging with issues such as county lines activities (I am working in a sector where we are seeing an exponential increase in drugs and crime and you are really not being shown just what is really happening by our media, police or government come to that and the hell it causes for those that have to live surrounded by this activity). Historically we have had many migrants who really do work hard to support our society and contribute greatly to the UK but these coming in now are not those. I have a friend, whose friend lives on the south coast and now has to lock her doors and take additional care, due to the crime wave and has even just received a letter from the local authority giving warning of the increase in those attempting to enter their homes, looking for money and car keys! A great deal is being hidden from us and we are struggling to support our own and yet much will be given to those that are only here to take.

The Dr and nurse from Syria came because the man's brother's house was bombed and both his brother, wife and daughter were killed. The man brought his wife, son and his brothers son to UK for safety. The son who lost both parents and his sister was also injured in bomb attack and traumatised. UK was not actively recruiting but they applied for asylum in legal refugee camp, hence here legally.

I don’t understand why Albanians should be seeking asylum anyway. Their country is not at war, nor is it in the grip of famine or natural disaster AFAIK. Yes, it’s relatively poor, but are we supposed to admit everyone from a poorer country who thinks they’d be better off here?

We already have a dire shortage of decent , affordable housing, of GPs, hospital doctors and nurses.
Plus, areas where there are jobs are mostly overcrowded anyway - especially in the SE.

In Albania, working full time a trained mechanic earns just over £200 a month and a 1-2 bed studio flat costs just over £300. If you are willing to come to the U.K., live in a shitty HMO and work for minimum wage you can send home more per month that a person can earn in their home country.

Omg that I'd exactly what happens in one of the coffee shops I use. I was always puzzled about who they were. Now that makes complete sense. How did I not realise that!!!

Which is how it should be

I'm glad they are here but not the economic ones coming on boats in this discussion who should stay home

Why though OP? If you do that for those illegal immigrants, where do you draw the line? The UK government needs to process claims faster. If there are labour shortages, I thought the suggestion was that people would be able to get visas to come and work, this doesn't seem to have been put in place yet, but lots of places do it, such as Canada, it's much easier to go there and get a visa and work for a short while when you are a young person, the same with Australia, the UK should do the same, not send a sign to people traffickers that if you come illegally you could stay.

With the biggest recession we have ever known fast approaching all jobs should be available to the UK citizens who will lose their safe jobs and be made redundant without much warning. In last recession, bank workers, accountants, admin staff, ICT workers as well as builders, construction, self employed trades, just about anyone who thought their job is safe is at risk. With exception of doctors, teachers and nurses who are in short supply.

@cofingalthetime, you are describing economic migrants not asylum seekers. We by law have to help asylum seekers but not economic migrants. They should be sent back home.

Isn't that what the BRP card is?
DH has to renew his everytime he renews his visa.