Albanian migrants question

[Notthetoothfairy]

Everyone knows the U.K. is really short of staff since Brexit and that is pushing up prices for food etc. If we now (like it or not) have a huge influx of Albanian young men who actually want to work, wouldn’t we be better off letting them legally get jobs here and treating them like the Europeans who left?

Maybe I’m being too simplistic here but I’m not sure how keeping them unhappily detained for long periods in processing centres then spending something like £7m a day putting them in hotels without letting them work is helping anyone. Obviously it’s different if someone has just come over to claim benefits and has no intention of working but I get the impression that’s not the case for a lot of these young men.

If you think I’m wrong, you can explain why and still be nice about it 😁

I know that's the reality. The Tory government have done nothing about it.

@Badger1970 well said

And then send them all back, to improve their own countries. A huge influx of young foreign males to our country is not going to bode well for our communities

Just an article I read in The Times (behind a paywall but basically says the upper years of Albanian schools are being hollowed out as they are all coming to the U.K. with a view to earning much more money than they can back home).

Yes, I’m sure lots of them are in gangs, selling drugs etc but this is missing the point. They are here anyway (the question is not “shall we let them in?” or “shall we deport them?”) so the question is whether we should let them get legitimate work rather than just being funded by taxes at huge expense without being allowed to get jobs.

You're right OP. Allow them to work but make employers responsible for ensuring they have correct addresses. Give the police the resources to clamp down on illegal employers and the slave economy. Then they can contribute and those after working in the illegal economy will be flushed out and can be deported. This will cost less than the current crazy system. I am suspicious about all the recent focus on Albanian migrants though. Why focus on Albanians - why suddenly the concern over migration? Is it to distract us from the economic car crash caused by lockdowns etc?

Illegal migrants, entering the country via drugs gangs/people smugglers are hardly a replacement for the European workers who were here legally, willingly paid tax and in turn allowed free access to their countries for British people wanting to work abroad.

To keep admitting migrants just encourages more of them into the gang masters hands and ultimately the people traffickers are the only ones who benefit.

If people from safe countries want to come here they should apply through the right channels. Economic migrants spending thousands to be smuggled through on boats need to go back. Not get jobs / hotels / benefits here.

It’s not as easy to say there are ‘fit, young men’ who want to work so let’s get them working! You have no idea what jobs these young men want to do. Yes you might be right in thinking that factories, hospitality and fruit picking are areas of low employment that are crying out for staff. Doesn’t mean that economic migrants want to do that though. These are often low paid and hard labour. No one really wants to do this work.

Please stop with the 'coming here illegally' shite.

There is no way to claim asylum in the U.K. from outside the U.K., so the only way for these people to get here is through the means they are using.

The easy way to prevent migrant crossings is to provide a method by which people could claim asylum from the country they are in. We choose not to do that.

The men are coming here to work in the construction sector, an industry in which Albanians are skilled in. And now that the Poles are leaving because things have flipped and there is a better standard of living back in Poland, we have massive shortages in that industry.

I agree they shouldn’t come in, in the first place. But no-one is stopping them so the influx will just carry on if the situation stays as it is. If they could legally come here to work and weren’t entitled to just go on benefits here, maybe we would get more qualified people e.g. doctors/nurses.

The strength of East European gangs in the UK has been conveniently ignored especially in relation to trafficking in the same way that the Rochdale, and other places, gangs were able to contunue despite many local people knowing what was going on.

We don't have the infrastructure and services to support our own without the help of immigrants. You do realise that, don't you?

Sometimes I wish that all immigrant workers went on strike for a day or two just to show the "we are full brigade" what life would really be like without immigrants. Better not need medical help on that day (or anything else...)

@JustWork rubbish

Left wing bullshit propaganda.

It's partly because the women are sex trafficked through different routes and for obvious reasons kept away from any kind of registration

We should be getting out of human rights convention and sending them back to the perfectly safe country they came from. Asylum is for those in fear of their lives, not those wanting to earn a better living. There are legitimate asylum routes into this country as I taught a Syrian student who came from Syria with his parents and a cousin. They signed up at a camp on border with neighbouring country and were selected to come across. Father was doctor, mother was nurse and 2 teenage children. Very well behaved and lovely people. These legal asylum seekers should always be put before illegal immigrants who have passed though several safe countries but not tried to claim asylum there. They just want our ridiculously generous benefits system where they are placed in hotels costing tax payer £249 per night per person plus food, given a mobile phone and pocket money while many children born in UK go cold and hungry. That is shameful.

Hmm, I'm not so sure of the ethics of "stealing" a low wealth nations doctors and nurses. They need them there.
The UK should be training enough of our own health care staff and making health professions more attractive in terms of pay and conditions to encourage staff retention.

@caringcarer spot on

No young Albanian man is going to come here and happily work a low wage/manual labour job when the majority of the other men in the community are making 💰 💰 💰 to send back home. It’s too easy. Obviously there will be exceptions but they would definitely be a minority and the pressure to not get involved would be huge if their family back home are receiving much less than their neighbours, cousins, etc

Example of failing infrastructure.

archive.ph/nkAFa

Again, I agree, though not suggesting we start running ad campaigns for doctors there! But we have to work with the reality of the situation (you’re right in an ideal world but is the government really going to train up all those healthcare professionals and start paying them better?)

@LesterBiggott it's a bloody disgrace

What a load of rubbish.

If as a family, you had the choice to send your 18 yr old son or your 20 yr old daughter on a trip that would involve hazardous sea crossings, refugee camps and gangs. Which one would you send with the expectation that they are more likely to survive without being raped, beaten and/or sold?