Albanian migrants question

[Notthetoothfairy]

Everyone knows the U.K. is really short of staff since Brexit and that is pushing up prices for food etc. If we now (like it or not) have a huge influx of Albanian young men who actually want to work, wouldn’t we be better off letting them legally get jobs here and treating them like the Europeans who left?

Maybe I’m being too simplistic here but I’m not sure how keeping them unhappily detained for long periods in processing centres then spending something like £7m a day putting them in hotels without letting them work is helping anyone. Obviously it’s different if someone has just come over to claim benefits and has no intention of working but I get the impression that’s not the case for a lot of these young men.

If you think I’m wrong, you can explain why and still be nice about it 😁

We have never trained enough of our own doctors and nurses.

We have had since the 1950s: West Indians, Filipinos, then low wage EU countries. I remember when my hospital had a recruitment drive in Spain and a load of Spanish nurses arrived.

Now a lot of EU staff have gone home, and global staff are conscious they can get a higher wage in other parts of the world. Loads of our doctors are currently leaving for New Zealand and Australia.

Healthcare has always looked like a stable, relatively high wage job for new immigrants. It's central to how the NHS has run ever since it was created. And we have now cut off the supply of immigrants, plus making our UK based staff want to leave and unsurprisingly the NHS is suffering.

Good point. You wouldn’t send your son to the U.K. just to claim benefits though (that wouldn’t be enough money to send to the family back home) which means he would be under pressure to get illegal work to plug the gap.

I agree it’s gang related and a lot of these young men will disappear into the black economy. It’s a fantastic opportunity for Albanian gang masters to keep their cost of living down with a plentiful supply of workers I guess.
large influxes of young males also tips the male female balance in some areas which as we all know is never good for females.
It’s anti feminist to allow large groups of men to arrive and women should not argue for it.

'Legally get jobs' means them living on large farms in caravans and bunkhouses picking fruit and veg in all weathers. Or working in slaughterhouses/meat processing.

I think it's problematic as we have such a shortage of housing, tbh. And they would need doctors and dentists. Then there would a demand to bring families over - then more pressure on schools.

One of the biggest employee shortages is in social care and nursing homes, but young men are hardly ideal candidates to do that kind of work, are they, unless very well vetted and trained. It may be deeply sexist to some, but elderly women don't want to be cared for by men.

As with free movement, the downside of this mass migration is that the home country loses a generation of its youth, and their own infrastructure suffers more. And then more seek to leave. I really don't believe in large scale migration, I think it causes more damage in the long run.

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Albanians can get a legitimate visa if they wish to work. Most coming over the channel illegally are here for nefarious purposes such as the massive drug industry Albanian gangs run. If they want to be here legally, they can

Elderly men very much do want to be cared for by men though. I meet a lot of carers and patients through work and there are more and more men doing it - and men requesting a male carer.

"@Notthetoothfairy Good point. You wouldn’t send your son to the U.K. just to claim benefits though (that wouldn’t be enough money to send to the family back home) which means he would be under pressure to get illegal work to plug the gap."

Or that we should have a system in place that allows people who are legitimately going through the Asylum process to work and earn wages rather than be funded in government housing on benefits.

If people are working and paying taxes, then how are we "supporting them". Aren't they supporting us? It would be very easy to introduce a system of work visas that, for example, didn't give settled status (or only give it after so many years) - many countries do that. Including a number of European countries like Germany. To deter people they only issue the visas in the country of origin and based on having a job offer. There are many ways of being more flexible than we are being, without having entirely open borders. The debate on this issue is often too black and white - there are many variations available to us if we think things through.

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Fun fact. Up to 2 percent of the male Albanian population aged 20 to 40 traveled here by small boat this year.

But why send an 18 or 20 year old at all, on a trip „that would involve hazardous sea crossings, refugee camps and gangs“ unless your home country is at war?
Someone else on this thread said Albanian men who come to the UK want to work in construction - is the dangerous journey really worth it?

It’s probably cheaper to get a work visa than pay gangs

Recently a BTL landlord thought our small residential cul de sac was an ideal place for an HMO.
First in we’re 5 Albanian boys who were put there by the Council as ‘18 - 25 year olds who would otherwise be homeless’. Within a week the cul de sac was plagued by cars diving up all night, music blaring, shouting, often blocking the road. Within 2 months there was a night raid, 6 police cars, and they were all arrested for drug dealing and illegal dog fighting. They must have been evicted by the council because we never saw them again.
I don’t think any of those guys would have been interested in a minimum wage job, or any job tbh.

We now have 5 Kurdish boys who are a bit loud but basically seem like nice lads and are learning construction skills.

@MarshaBradyo exactly, that can only mean they're not here to work in Aldi or the local care home

Why focus on Albanians - why suddenly the concern over migration?

Because this year we have had an exponential increase in illegal boat crossings, and the majority are Albanian. Seems reasonable to be concerned?

Also, a quick look across many and various news outlets, and direect from Border Control and Policing, there is a real and current issue with Albanian drugs gangs, and Albanian trafficking. There are currently almost as many Albanians in prison here, as in Albania, and they represent the highest percentage of foreign nationals in our gaols.

Do we want young Albanian men in care homes delivering personal care to our elderly mothers? I'll wager not.

broadly they fall into two groups - those who genuinely believe that Britain is a land of milk and honey (compared to Albania) and therefore worth the risk, and those who are trafficked. Both groups bring with them different challenges.

Unemployment is at a record low though

On a different thread couple of days ago someone was saying how Albanian men were being trafficked into the UK to work on weed farms.
According to the poster, they and their families were threatened and that’s what forced those young men onto the boats.
Would the traffickers really just let those men accept legal jobs as fruit pickers and builders upon their arrival in the UK?

If we had a welfare system that supported word, unlike UC and removed the housing benefit caps, then we wouldn't have a labour shortage. A lot of the labour shortages are for jobs that are less than 20 hours a week. That's another issue, real jobs that don't need benefit top ups.
It would be better to support real asylum seekers, of which their are many across Africa and the middle East. There are good reasons why the Albanian refuges are being looked at with suspicion.

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I haven’t seen anything about boat crossings having Albanians specifically- can someone point me in the direction for this info, please? I must have missed something

Im also getting fed up of Suella Braverman getting pilloried for not sorting out the problem,shes only been in the job a few days for gods sake. Like Priti Patel shes getting stymied at every turn by the liberal lot who certainly arent experiencing what we in Kent are