Albanian migrants question

[Notthetoothfairy]

Everyone knows the U.K. is really short of staff since Brexit and that is pushing up prices for food etc. If we now (like it or not) have a huge influx of Albanian young men who actually want to work, wouldn’t we be better off letting them legally get jobs here and treating them like the Europeans who left?

Maybe I’m being too simplistic here but I’m not sure how keeping them unhappily detained for long periods in processing centres then spending something like £7m a day putting them in hotels without letting them work is helping anyone. Obviously it’s different if someone has just come over to claim benefits and has no intention of working but I get the impression that’s not the case for a lot of these young men.

If you think I’m wrong, you can explain why and still be nice about it 😁

Cross posted with @Ponoka7 , thanks for the link

The males who are trafficked or recruited won’t want to wait to take other jobs because in many cases they need to pay back gang leaders. They often leave the hotel in 24 hours picked up to go the drug farm.

Someone might say don’t make them wait to work but we’d just be propping up Albanian mafia by ensuring more and more routes in were established.

There may well be other jobs men want to do - someone mentioned construction but they are leaving hotels to do that without paperwork, it’d be hard to get figures on where they are going.

Interesting article or should I say terrifying?

I assume from your name that you are young and have only just found out the tooth fairy doesn’t exist?
Otherwise you must have led an incredibly sheltered life to believe they are all here to work.

I don't want to sound as if I have no compassion, but we're on the brink of the longest ever recession. People won't be able to afford food and heating, people will lose jobs so how can we afford this?

I agree. That's labour for you. Always trying to score political points safe in the knowledge that they don't need to do anything themselves.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63488070.amp

As well as the other link.

There's been a lot of Albanian drug den, cannabis farms etc arrests. The men are often subject to modern day slavery/lads groomed etc.

We can't afford to support mass low skilled immigration. And in the coming months we'll really notice it.

Yes OP I think every vulnerable woman on MN wants larges groups of Albanian men hanging around on the streets for us and our daughters to walk past on dark nights, what could possibly go wrong.

I mean in your fantasy land there only here to work and are model citizens after all. 🙄

This is the article. I think the suggestion that legal emigration would be better with much tighter borders is a positive move. But I'm doubtful it will ever happen.

Lost generation: Albanian migrant exodus leaves its schools empty

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8ee434c0-5c29-11ed-962f-53da0c787308?shareToken=118b033a5c51a3957101f0b3f797d2d7

It is terrifying, along with the direction this country is going overall. Utterly terrifying. Utter shit show.

On the radio the other day they had a segment from Albania. They interviewed lots of young men who wanted to leave for. A better life. One of them said they come to the U.K. because you can work without papers whereas you need papers in other EU countries.
so whilst some of that work might be drug related people need to accept that if they don’t want immigration they need to stop using cheap labour. Think about the people who work in your local car wash or nail bar. Are they being employed legally or cash in hand. It seems to me most car washes are staffed by immigrants and a lot of them are probably working illegally.
to get to the route causes of immigration you need to look at the way the U.K. is run and people using cheap labour.

we also have to accept that immigration is only going to increase as climate change increases. Is it ok to say that we can’t accept people from other countries when those countries become inhospitable due to climate change we are partly responsible for. In the next fifty years there is going to end up being a massive alteration in where people live in the world and if we don’t come up with a way to deal with where displaced people should live then there will probably be a world war or mass famine to sort the problem out and massively reduce the population.

Like it or not migration is here to stay but the country of origin might change over time.

@LesterBiggott my husband is a nurse and I've worked with many fantastic make carers! Gender is irrelevant, my point was the same as yours, if these Albanian men are genuinely looking for a better life, they could have one perfectly legally in areas that are desperate for staff such as retail or the care industry.

Perhaps we need the I.D. Cards which I know we shouldn't need

So sick of this situation

This might be something that people aren't aware of. The areas that they want to put them in, can't sustain them. For those wanting to know why Suella is being criticised, she deliberately didn't book hotels in certain areas that could sustain them, but are middle class.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/councils-asylum-seeker-hotels-manston-home-office-b2216127.html%3famp

Since the fall of communism, Albanians have travelled out of the country looking for work, if you have been to a modern hotel in Greece or Italy, chances are Albanians built it.
It is easier to come to the UK because it has been made cheaper by the smuggling gangs bringing people across in boats, much cheaper than the old method of being smuggled into the back of a lorry, a couple of grand to make the crossing now, although they and their family ususally end up in debt to the smugglers to pay for this.
Social media in Albania is flooded with images of people getting across the channel for a better life, maybe the Government here could flood social media with ways that people who want to work in the areas that need people, can apply for visa's ?

They can't carry a DBS though, because in many countries they don't take sexual etc crimes seriously and you can bribe your way out. How do they live on the wages? We can't.

Just listening to the radio and the lack of facing reality from some and we let everyone in who wants to is just madness.

They are so away with the fairies it’s hard to listen to.

However, since May 2022, there has been a significant increase in the number of Albanians crossing the channel on small boats. From May to September 2022 Albanian nationals alone comprised 42% of small boat crossings, with 11,102 Albanians arriving by small boat in those five months

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/factsheet-small-boat-crossings-since-july-2022/factsheet-small-boat-crossings-since-july-2022#:~:text=However%2C%20since%20May%202022%2C%20there,boat%20in%20those%20five%20months.

Nope, just a regular fairy like you Liz 😁. Are you saying then that the U.K. taxpayer should just keep paying out millions of pounds, hand over fist, to keep these people in U.K. hotels and unable to work?

As I said before, not allowing them in or deporting them don’t seem to be options!

The whole point is that they don't need to send any of their family. Albania isn't on the unsafe list and they have no reason for claiming asylum. The young men choose to come. They would be better staying in their home country and using their energy and brains to make it better. The UK is fast becoming the best place for easy drug and sex money. If they truly need political asylum there are plenty of other countries they can apply to. Funny that they don't..

The issue with that is family size. My Father, family are from SA, I have lots of friends from across Africa, Asia and the middle East. There still isn't an acceptance of the need for limiting family size and I'm talking two/three children as being seen as not enough. I doubt in my lifetime Muslim men will accept birth control, likewise a lot of African men. I know men who have 8-12 children and expect to have more, these are to a wife and girlfriends. They see them being born as God/Allah's will. Populations can't keep rising.

I get that they can earn up to 5 times more in the UK than back home in Albania or wherever, and I can see that looks tempting. But if they are legally granted permission to stay, unless they legally get a really well paid job here, how are they going to be able to afford all the day to day living costs when people already resident in the UK are finding it so hard to manage at the moment. Somone coming here to live by legal means on an average wage will surely have the same cost of living difficulties as the rest of us currently have. Let alone sending any money back home.

Okay, how many migrants do we have the capacity to support? (ballpark rounded into the thousands)