Albanian migrants question

[Notthetoothfairy]

Everyone knows the U.K. is really short of staff since Brexit and that is pushing up prices for food etc. If we now (like it or not) have a huge influx of Albanian young men who actually want to work, wouldn’t we be better off letting them legally get jobs here and treating them like the Europeans who left?

Maybe I’m being too simplistic here but I’m not sure how keeping them unhappily detained for long periods in processing centres then spending something like £7m a day putting them in hotels without letting them work is helping anyone. Obviously it’s different if someone has just come over to claim benefits and has no intention of working but I get the impression that’s not the case for a lot of these young men.

If you think I’m wrong, you can explain why and still be nice about it 😁

I honestly don't think it would change whoever we elect

It is definitely getting worse in the UK and the constant arrival of people who are not contributing to the exchequer is not going to help

@Mycatsgoldtooth I don’t believe we are experiencing mass migration so I’d like to see, in figures, why people seem to think we are. The numbers don’t say that if you compare to any mass migration even in history so I’m interest in why people think it’s happening now.

@Cornettoninja i would say when the amount of people coming to a country puts pressure in the essential services for native born individuals. Which we see is the case at the moment. More people moved to the UK in the last two tears then the whole of the 80’s.

I do agree that many of the issues we face are caused by the terrible leaders we have, but they have encouraged immigration for their own ends. It artificially props up the economy making us look richer then we are outwardly when the services are provided to support the influx. Rich people do not care as they are not scrabbling for gp appointments, school places or living in a road with lots of mass occupied houses and crime or huge amounts of Albanian men hanging about the high street. They will be buying the drugs, not dealing with the impact of turf wars in their neighbourhoods. Four years ago my next door one neighbour was shot due to drug related feuding. I can see this happening again in my area soon.

@Cornettoninja seven million people in 18 years is, I think, mass immigration. You may not. What would you consider mass immigration in a population, in terms of percentage?

It certainly is not minimal. The ONS data shows that. Maybe it is in whatever leafy suburb you live in.

Already the complaints are coming in around the country as migrants are being moved from Kent to free up the immigration centre, and being moved to hotels in places that haven't experienced this before. It was only a matter of time before they saw what people were concerned about. Welcome to the impact of limited infrastructure and mass immigration. Time to slow it down massively and improve our infrastructure for the people who are already here.

And education, healthcare and housing hasn't been prioritised for years. But now, for something that was just about working it's completely failed. And yes that is due to the government failing on every single thing from infrastructure to porous boarders.

Labour won't solve this problem though. Well they might if Starmer fucked off and Blair came back. He started it. But has already expressed his horror on how it's panning out. Even he didn't expect it to go this far.

Oh dear. My British child wasn’t born in Britain. My British friend’s British child wasn’t born in Britain. Neither was Boris Johnson.

Yet they’re British. That’s not uncommon at all. So before you start a xenophobic rant about “not being born in Britain = mass immigration of foreigners” you might want to think it through a bit.

Does your British child who was not born in Britain have a British passport?

Cos the press tells them so.

@LesterBiggot Yes, he does. Relevance?

Then the stats don't refer to your child. You might want to think that through a bit before accusing people of xenophobia for simply stating ONS facts.

We absolutely don't. We already have a massive housing crisis, a no longer functioning NHS because demand is through the roof, schools massively oversubscribed, pressure on absolutely every service and massive tax rises incoming to fund all this.

We have what appears to be low unemployment rate because the Government fudges the figures by shifting the unemployed onto all sorts of benefits and other classifications so it appears we have low unemployment. They also class people who work minimum hours as employed. It's all smoke and mirrors. The absolute last thing we need is more people and more pressure on all services and more community tension. We are almost at the point of collapse.

@funnymummmy completely agree. @OneTC so what level of immigration would you consider mass immigration - let’s say in percentages? If you think my concerns are driven by the media rather then the eyes in my head and the ability to research the actual figures and the fiscal/societal impacts of the demographic changes I see in my community then can you do me the decency of answering my question about what level of immigration is mass immigration?

I'm one of the 14.5%. I've lived in UK 30 yrs.

I do like this tweet...

One thing I heard about the recent Albanian arrivals: most of them left Albania years ago, too. Sorry, too long thread didn't read, maybe someone else said this. But basically, Albania is not experiencing a huge exodus now. These are long time ex-pats coming here lately, too. They literally have an established lifestyle going around getting work where they can outside Albania.

So if they left Albania years ago why are they coming to the UK now and what difference does that make to the conversation we are having about the situation?

Interesting! He also has another passport (dual nationality) and a foreign dad. I didn’t see how that would exclude him but I’m happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.

Useful summary, maybe?

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/internationalmigrationenglandandwales/census2021#:~:text=Out%20of%20the%2059.6%20million,were%20born%20outside%20the%20UK.

I can't see anything specific about exactly many of those born outside of the UK hold a British passport, as opposed to those being two separately collected data sets, but it might be retrievable from the data tables.

I'm not really interested in the details of your family tbh. I'm more interested in the impact mass immigration is having on the UK, and the ONS data around me. If your child has a British passport he is not included in the ONS data for this. Not sure why you're withholding bits of information as part of some kind of gotcha. It makes you look silly. Don't bother engaging directly with me with your petty accusations. I'm truly not interested in your agenda.

Are you sure about not experiencing an exodus now?

‘High emigration from Albania is creating a concerning situation in terms of the local labour market with shortages in key sectors to be apparent by 2030, according to a new report.

Albania is in the midst of a demographic crisis as tens of thousands of people leave every year, and the population that remains is plagued by ageing and a decreasing birth rate. As many as 42,000 people emigrate annually.

The study carried out by the European Training Foundation notes that countries in the Western Balkans, in particular Albania, will face an intensifying labour crisis caused by the emigration of young people.’

Do you think the aborigines in Australia have the resources and infrastructure?

They should be sent back home ! Straight off the boat and onto a waiting plane !

This is a fair question.

I’m also wondering about net migration as people coming in and leaving isn’t so much an issue if you get the skills you want coming in and don’t get a brain drain going out.

So use a points system, make people feel they are being heard (whatever place in strata) and really crack down on gang related migration before it is here, so it doesn’t imbed.

If you look at other countries similar discussions are happening and in some cases voters shifting towards higher controls.

@MarshaBradyo the numbers I am using are net migration. I think that’s the most useful for looking at pressure on services.

Ok thanks I wasn’t sure

Yes it has been suggested about the points system but it never seems to be implemented

The boat situation wouldn't be linked to this

Far from boring you with the details of my family, I was attempting to point out that this overly simplistic interpretation of the “one in six” leaves a lot of crucial information unsaid. (Dual nationality, parents’ nationality etc ). But as you’re more interested in imagining agendas and insulting people than backing up your assertions, I’m happy to leave you to it.