Albanian migrants question

[Notthetoothfairy]

Everyone knows the U.K. is really short of staff since Brexit and that is pushing up prices for food etc. If we now (like it or not) have a huge influx of Albanian young men who actually want to work, wouldn’t we be better off letting them legally get jobs here and treating them like the Europeans who left?

Maybe I’m being too simplistic here but I’m not sure how keeping them unhappily detained for long periods in processing centres then spending something like £7m a day putting them in hotels without letting them work is helping anyone. Obviously it’s different if someone has just come over to claim benefits and has no intention of working but I get the impression that’s not the case for a lot of these young men.

If you think I’m wrong, you can explain why and still be nice about it 😁

I really don't think you could describe the UK as peaceable @Mycatsgoldtooth , we are constantly at war with someone.

What figure would you define as mass immigration?

I’m happy to dig out numbers but there’s no point if your number has no resemblance to widely accepted parameters.

I’m happy to dig out numbers but there’s no point if your number has no resemblance to widely accepted parameters.

Translated as you have no clue about the numbers presumably you are one of those on here who aren't affected in anyway??

@Cornettoninja yes as since 2004 we have had an explicit policy of immigration to fill skill gaps.

The numbers do support it. It's not propaganda. It's a fact. The census data supports that fact. As much as you want to bury your head in the sand. Go and educate yourself.

Not really. people born outside the UK make up 14.5% of the population. Total. We receive migrants in figures measured in thousands per year.

Europeans made up 40% of the American population in the 1900’s and millions migrated during the partition of India.

I’m just trying to establish what people mean when they say mass migration because frankly the numbers, actual or as a percentage, don’t come close to what would actually be considered a mass migration.

more than happy to look at the figures if you’ve got them. Because you’re wrong.

One in 6 people not British born, is mass immigration. Although in reality the figures will likely be higher than that. When people wonder why it's impossible to get housing, does it ever cross their mind, just for a moment, whether this might be contributing to the problem?

You given me your figures. More than happy to tear them apart for you.

Which, as I’ve already posted, works out as 14.5% of the population. That’ll include the ‘good ones’ and the ones who’ve been here for decades. It’s not mass migration no matter how much you want it to be.

Yes, I’m sure you are.

What I’m interested in is how you would define mass migration and if that stands up to widely accepted definitions.

Absolutely

And why haven't we been training our own young people

Why have we been encouraged to send them to university and run up huge debt

@Cornettoninja mass immigration or not if it's stopping people born and bred here from getting housing, school places, NHS appointments etc etc etc then it's one too many and WRONG.

So you think this is a good thing then?

@lollipoprainbow no, it’s not ‘mass immigration or not’ when that’s a cornerstone of peoples concerns.

none of the issues you’ve listed have been caused by immigration and won’t be resolved by stopping it. Your anger is in the wrong direction.

Again with the ‘interpretations’. if you have to presume something then there’s a good chance your wrong.

that’s not what I wrote is it?

@Cornettoninja utter crap

Wrong. These figures are people not British born. Not been here for decades. Not including illegal undocumented immigration. This is data from the office of national statistics. If you don't believe it. Take it up with them. It's one thing not to believe something. It's something else when the evidence is in your face and you still refuse to believe it.

@Cornettoninja

You seemed to imply it though

I don't understand how you think immigration hasn't impacted on the issues that Lollipop has raised

It's not a new issue

People who live here already should be prioritised

How so? Because I recognise that we’ve underinvested in training and question someone who believes this is somehow related to immigration? It’s not, it’s related to who’ve we’ve elected and their priorities.

@woodhill I'm sure any family/young person who has the nouse to apply (encourage their child to apply) for university has the nouse to apply for the trades, or train as an hgv driver or to work in a slaughterhouse if they think they have the skills and that it's what they want to do with their lives. My ds is thinking about a degree in CS. Excuse me if I don't encourage him into seasonal farm work because that's what the country needs.

I didn’t dispute there has been an impact of course there has but it’s minimal and there wouldn’t suddenly be enough if all immigrants were deported tomorrow.

I’m disputing that immigration is the reason things like education, healthcare and housing haven’t been prioritised. That’s down to who we’ve elected.

@Cornettoninja i can find some studies on the impact of immigration on house prices, service availability etc but I don’t think you’d be interested as you have dismissed the figures from the ONS. But I am interested what level of immigration you would consider mass immigration if you think an increase of people (that equals a city the size of Portsmouth) in the first half of this year alone is not quite a lot of people to provide for.

Eh? So you don’t think that 14.5% figure includes people who have been here for decades? It’s looking at where people were born, of course it does.

illegal, undocumented immigration is slightly harder to gain figures for because of obvious reasons but that’s not what I was questioning was it?

I want an actual definition of what constitutes mass migration?