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To be annoyed at DD’s punishment

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LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 04/11/2022 11:46

DD (9, Y5) has been getting picked on by a girl for a couple of years now. It seems to happen in peaks and troughs. But this girl’s focus is on DD’s height. She’s very small for her age, as is her dad. If you looked at her you’d think she was 7yo max. Her 5yo brother is only 2 inches shorter, and some of her friends are head and shoulders taller. And the girl picking on her constantly calls her titch, shorty, dwarf, shortarse and constantly pats her on the head like she’s a dog. If something has been said in class when they’re learning, for example the teacher describes a ‘small mountain’ this girl will shout out “Just like Emily” (meaning my DD, not her real name).

I raised it last year but she had a bit of a hippy teacher in his last year of teaching who said things like “I’ll work on empowering Emily” and “I’ll do a lesson on how name calling isn’t ok” - which is all very well but FFS just tell this girl to stop it!!!

I raised it with the head who is as much use as a chocolate fireguard and just says “Oh well these things happen and we do encourage resilience”. Which I agree with but one child can only take so much.

To avoid drip feeding - this is a private school with very low numbers and the bully girl is one of 5 siblings. I’ve strongly suspected they don’t want to upset the family in case they pull all their kids out. It seems to be a pattern with wealthy/large families, whereas I only have 2 in school.

Anyway I spoke to her new teacher in the first day of term and said it absolutely cannot happen this year as DD is starting to dread school and has come home crying too often, and I don’t wanna have to pull her out. New teacher is much more of a ball buster than last year’s teacher and said she’d directly pull any name calling or mean behaviour. And all seemed to go well this term (except for the odd incident). Until today.

DD’s teacher called me to say that all her break times will be removed next week and she will have to stay indoors. Apparently the bully girl made a comment when DD was asked to pin something she’s done on a display the wall. She said “Someone get Emily a stepladder”.

DD replied and said “I may be short but at least I’m not fat.” The girl in question is quite overweight. She burst into tears and DD has had that punishment.

Now I’m not condoning what DD said, I’ve always said we never talk about how people look because look how awful it makes someone feel. But after 2 years of grief from this girl when there’s been NO action taken against her, my DD seemingly has snapped and now is being punished for 1 offence. The bully girl was made to apologise but isn’t getting the same punishment.

Full disclosure: DH has suggested before that DD say this to the girl (to which I promptly said FGS NO don’t say that!). But bear in mind we had her coming home upset and crying yet again by this nasty girl who just won’t fucking stop.DH got fed up and said that if she can comment on DD’s height the only way to stop it is to bite back equally as hard. Which I don’t agree with - but I bet that’s why DD’s said it.

WIBU to see the Head and say this is unfair, yes DD should be punished but why hasn’t the other girl ever had a punishment once? Why is fat shaming terrible but height shaming ok and should be tolerated? Neither can be helped of children. I did tell her teacher I’m not happy but she seemed to think it was much more unacceptable what DD said than what the other girl said!

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JenniferBarkley · 04/11/2022 11:52

YANBU at all, I would be furious.

Discovereads · 04/11/2022 11:53

YABU
WIBU to see the Head and say this is unfair, yes DD should be punished but why hasn’t the other girl ever had a punishment once?

Your DD should not be punished at all. She has been constantly height shamed and a reactive comment in self defence isn’t something that should be punished. You absolutely need to go in and make it ckear

  • DD will not be punished as she is the victim of harassment
  • The bullying of her hasn’t been addressed for 2yrs this is their fault

As the school is a private school and has done nothing and will likely continue do nothing, you should pull your DD out of the school and take your business elsewhere. Your DD isn’t safe there.

BingBangBollocks · 04/11/2022 11:53

I'd tell my daughter to own it , she did say it . I'd probably tell her to say it every bloody time until the school listened if I'm honest
Private schools are rubbish at dealing with conflict they just see the £ signs

Sunnidaze · 04/11/2022 11:54

This sort of situation drives me nuts. Kids get away with constant teasing because the target doesn't burst into tears at the drop of a hat, but when the target fights back and the bully cries 'poor me', the target gets into trouble. Is it any wonder we have bullies in this world. I'd be talking to the school, listing off all of the times you've raised concerns about your child's physical appearance being the subject of nasty comments, and demanding confirmation that any further bullying will be dealt with immediately. The minute a comment is made to your child, report it. Be the squeaky wheel, it's the only way stuff gets done.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 04/11/2022 11:56

Discovereads · 04/11/2022 11:53

YABU
WIBU to see the Head and say this is unfair, yes DD should be punished but why hasn’t the other girl ever had a punishment once?

Your DD should not be punished at all. She has been constantly height shamed and a reactive comment in self defence isn’t something that should be punished. You absolutely need to go in and make it ckear

  • DD will not be punished as she is the victim of harassment
  • The bullying of her hasn’t been addressed for 2yrs this is their fault

As the school is a private school and has done nothing and will likely continue do nothing, you should pull your DD out of the school and take your business elsewhere. Your DD isn’t safe there.

I’m really on the cusp TBH. In our previous home the catchment was shit and failing hence us putting them in the private school. We’ve now moved and have a lovely school around the corner. The class sizes are bigger but only by about 5 kids and DD doesn’t especially need any 1-2-1 focus.

I do think she should have some sort of punishment because however you look at it she name called and that’s not ok. But this is totally OTT when she’s essentially been told to suck it up for 2 years herself.

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PuttingDownRoots · 04/11/2022 11:57

Bully has now learnt she will get away with it.

I'd be looking for a new school for both your children tbh. And asking for notice not to be charged due to their lack of care.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 04/11/2022 11:57

BingBangBollocks · 04/11/2022 11:53

I'd tell my daughter to own it , she did say it . I'd probably tell her to say it every bloody time until the school listened if I'm honest
Private schools are rubbish at dealing with conflict they just see the £ signs

Yes I agree. Petrified that rich parents will pull their kids out if they call out behaviour. It makes me mad because when we looked round we were told that they have a zero tolerance bully policy no matter who the bully is. Lol. I believed them too

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LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 04/11/2022 11:58

Sunnidaze · 04/11/2022 11:54

This sort of situation drives me nuts. Kids get away with constant teasing because the target doesn't burst into tears at the drop of a hat, but when the target fights back and the bully cries 'poor me', the target gets into trouble. Is it any wonder we have bullies in this world. I'd be talking to the school, listing off all of the times you've raised concerns about your child's physical appearance being the subject of nasty comments, and demanding confirmation that any further bullying will be dealt with immediately. The minute a comment is made to your child, report it. Be the squeaky wheel, it's the only way stuff gets done.

Precisely! DD doesn’t cry at school, ever, she saves it for home. Which is fine but I think it’s led the school to believe she’s not that bothered about the name calling.

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ABrotherWhoLooksLikeHellMugYou · 04/11/2022 11:59

Yabu for leaving g your daughter in that school and that situation when you're paying for it. Either go ballistic at the eteachers. Report to governors etc etc, or remove DD and put her somewhere caring where she'll be protected. Paying money doesn't mean it's the best school. My parents sent me to private schools and I was bullied relentlessly at the primary and they left me there anyway because it was 'a good school'.

Ask DD if she wants to stay.

Fabvegetablegrower · 04/11/2022 12:00

I think you should definitely call the Head and speak to her. Maybe one day punishment would be ok but all week is ridiculous.

RunnersHigh22005 · 04/11/2022 12:00

If you aren’t wedded to staying at that particular school, I would pull her. I would also file a complaint about how the school is handling the bullying with whoever the inspecting body is (probably isi as it’s independent) on my way out to try to protect any other child who might also be suffering from the school’s lack of action, but I’m also slightly vindictive

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 04/11/2022 12:00

I’ve broached the subject of a new school a few times with DD and she always begged me not to because she does still have very good friends and she fears she will just be picked on by someone else in a different school. Which she probably would Sad

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LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 04/11/2022 12:02

RunnersHigh22005 · 04/11/2022 12:00

If you aren’t wedded to staying at that particular school, I would pull her. I would also file a complaint about how the school is handling the bullying with whoever the inspecting body is (probably isi as it’s independent) on my way out to try to protect any other child who might also be suffering from the school’s lack of action, but I’m also slightly vindictive

Funnily enough they have a ISI inspection coming up probably soon and are doing all sorts of superficial things to prepare like safeguarding posters up in the entrance etc, but no proper action it seems. They apparently interview parents, I would love that to be me!

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ReneBumsWombats · 04/11/2022 12:02

PuttingDownRoots · 04/11/2022 11:57

Bully has now learnt she will get away with it.

I'd be looking for a new school for both your children tbh. And asking for notice not to be charged due to their lack of care.

She's learned the authorities won't do anything (so OP, I agree you need to come down hard on them), but that the victim might.

I can't condone making personal remarks like that and you were right to try to take it through the teachers first, but it's not as if Emily didn't suffer personal remarks for ages herself. It'll be interesting to see if bully girl continues to do it now she knows Emily might bite back even if the teachers won't.

Perhaps Emily should have tried crying...

araiwa · 04/11/2022 12:03

I'd be taking her out to her favourite activity/ restaurant etc for her comment

Discovereads · 04/11/2022 12:07

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet
I do think she should have some sort of punishment because however you look at it she name called and that’s not ok.

I don’t agree. Suffering a 2yr campaign of harassment and bullying would drive anyone to the breaking point. Your Dd has been mentally tortured. A comment “I may be short but at least I’m not fat” should not be punished at all. She wasn’t wrong to say it at all as it was in response to yet another bullying jibe at her expense. Your DD needs compassion and understanding, not punishment for a normal human reaction to mental torture.

Please get her out of that school as the being kept inside for a week of break times will embolden her bully to step up the abuse. The school is now bullying her as well by misusing disciplinary procedures. I would be withdrawing her today.

I had to do similar once and it was such a relief to march out of the heads office and tell my DC we are never coming back to this cess pit of bullies again. I didn’t care at the smirking because they thought they’d “won” by driving my DC out of the school. I don’t care what they thought. My kids safety was #1 and I don’t regret it for a second.

BingBangBollocks · 04/11/2022 12:07

If they've got an inspection soon get those emails flowing .. head them as a a complaint/concern
Appear reasonable and put comments like 'as you have been aware for a while now' ' I refer you back to our conversation on x date where you assured me blah blah blah'
One a week or fortnight should draw their attention to it
Don't make your daughter apologise, show her that she can learn resilience from you

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 04/11/2022 12:07

araiwa · 04/11/2022 12:03

I'd be taking her out to her favourite activity/ restaurant etc for her comment

I’m actually taking her away for the weekend on a girl’s trip just us 2 tonight so will pick somewhere special Smile. I’ll tell her I understand why she did that and whilst school do have to punish her I don’t agree with them and have raised how unfair it is. I want her to know I have her back

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minou123 · 04/11/2022 12:13

As a fellow shorty, I completely understand your DD.
I remember in my teens, instead of saying "excuse me" to get passed, random men would lift me up and physically move me, like I was a toddler.😡

I know I might get some MN attack me for this, but I think your DD said was right.

The thing is with bullies, if you stand up to them, more often than not, they back down.
Bullies are just cowards.

The teachers wouldn't do anything about it, so your DD had to stand up for herself.

I suspect the bully won't be making anymore comments from now on.

Onlyforcake · 04/11/2022 12:16

"Encourage resilience" is the new catch all for "let them work it out by themselves" ie no input from adults. It's lazy. I'd definitely turn that language on them "so, you're encouraging the staff to do nothing"

KettrickenSmiled · 04/11/2022 12:18

PuttingDownRoots · 04/11/2022 11:57

Bully has now learnt she will get away with it.

I'd be looking for a new school for both your children tbh. And asking for notice not to be charged due to their lack of care.

ha! I wouldn't be asking for notice not to be charged. I'd be cancelling any form of payment order, booking a meeting with the Head, & going in guns blazing.

First question - explain to me your reasoning for NEVER punishing a pupil for 2 years of verbal abuse & bullying, but backing a punishment for a pupil who finally bit back after 2 years of tolerating being bullied.

Second question - how much was your decision swayed by the fact that the bullying pupil is one of 5 siblings at your school?

Third question - would you prefer to reconsider this poor decision, rescind the punishment & keep a closer eye on bullying in future, or would you prefer me to escalate this through the complaints process, all the way up to the DfE?

I'd be pulling DD out anyway, as there's a good local alternative for her now. But I'd like to see the Head sweat, & I could not allow DD to be punished in this situation. She needs to know her parents have her back - she's endured 2 years of bullying & now SHE's the one being singled out for punishment. It's desperately unfair & I would not allow it to happen - I'd pull her out of school before letting them do this to her while the other child gets off scot free. The school has just handed this other girl a free pass for bullying - that would worry me.

ThanksAntsThants · 04/11/2022 12:19

If the other girl had been receiving the same punishment then fine, but she hasn’t, so it’s indefensible.

YABU for being surprised that money talks though. You’ve sent your child to a school where money talks, and shock horror, it does, just not to your advantage on this occasion.

KettrickenSmiled · 04/11/2022 12:20

I suspect the bully won't be making anymore comments from now on.

Sadly, I suspect the bully will feel she's been handed a hunting licence, & will tease DD mercilessly about getting a punishment. All while presenting herself as the victim. The way the school has handled this has pretty much guaranteed that the bully will double down on her remarks.

FatAntelope · 04/11/2022 12:21

Why are you still sending her to that school? It sounds horrible.

I think you need to tell your daughter directly that it is OK to stick up for yourself.

ReneBumsWombats · 04/11/2022 12:21

or would you prefer me to escalate this through the complaints process, all the way up to the DfE?

Would the DfE get involved?