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To be annoyed at DD’s punishment

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LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 04/11/2022 11:46

DD (9, Y5) has been getting picked on by a girl for a couple of years now. It seems to happen in peaks and troughs. But this girl’s focus is on DD’s height. She’s very small for her age, as is her dad. If you looked at her you’d think she was 7yo max. Her 5yo brother is only 2 inches shorter, and some of her friends are head and shoulders taller. And the girl picking on her constantly calls her titch, shorty, dwarf, shortarse and constantly pats her on the head like she’s a dog. If something has been said in class when they’re learning, for example the teacher describes a ‘small mountain’ this girl will shout out “Just like Emily” (meaning my DD, not her real name).

I raised it last year but she had a bit of a hippy teacher in his last year of teaching who said things like “I’ll work on empowering Emily” and “I’ll do a lesson on how name calling isn’t ok” - which is all very well but FFS just tell this girl to stop it!!!

I raised it with the head who is as much use as a chocolate fireguard and just says “Oh well these things happen and we do encourage resilience”. Which I agree with but one child can only take so much.

To avoid drip feeding - this is a private school with very low numbers and the bully girl is one of 5 siblings. I’ve strongly suspected they don’t want to upset the family in case they pull all their kids out. It seems to be a pattern with wealthy/large families, whereas I only have 2 in school.

Anyway I spoke to her new teacher in the first day of term and said it absolutely cannot happen this year as DD is starting to dread school and has come home crying too often, and I don’t wanna have to pull her out. New teacher is much more of a ball buster than last year’s teacher and said she’d directly pull any name calling or mean behaviour. And all seemed to go well this term (except for the odd incident). Until today.

DD’s teacher called me to say that all her break times will be removed next week and she will have to stay indoors. Apparently the bully girl made a comment when DD was asked to pin something she’s done on a display the wall. She said “Someone get Emily a stepladder”.

DD replied and said “I may be short but at least I’m not fat.” The girl in question is quite overweight. She burst into tears and DD has had that punishment.

Now I’m not condoning what DD said, I’ve always said we never talk about how people look because look how awful it makes someone feel. But after 2 years of grief from this girl when there’s been NO action taken against her, my DD seemingly has snapped and now is being punished for 1 offence. The bully girl was made to apologise but isn’t getting the same punishment.

Full disclosure: DH has suggested before that DD say this to the girl (to which I promptly said FGS NO don’t say that!). But bear in mind we had her coming home upset and crying yet again by this nasty girl who just won’t fucking stop.DH got fed up and said that if she can comment on DD’s height the only way to stop it is to bite back equally as hard. Which I don’t agree with - but I bet that’s why DD’s said it.

WIBU to see the Head and say this is unfair, yes DD should be punished but why hasn’t the other girl ever had a punishment once? Why is fat shaming terrible but height shaming ok and should be tolerated? Neither can be helped of children. I did tell her teacher I’m not happy but she seemed to think it was much more unacceptable what DD said than what the other girl said!

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XelaM · 04/11/2022 12:39

araiwa · 04/11/2022 12:03

I'd be taking her out to her favourite activity/ restaurant etc for her comment

This!

Do not punish your daughter. She was absolutely right to say it and so is your husband. The only way to fight bullying is to stand up to the bullies.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 04/11/2022 12:40

Do they have a parent portal on their website for parent feedback? If so go on and give them low score

No, they avoid any sort of feedback to the point the Head hides in his office at drop off (former Head greeted all the kids and spoke to parents about concerns) and the poor receptionist takes the brunt of parent’s anger.

They did have the nerve a few weeks ago to email parents asking to put reviews on Google. I laughed.

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LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 04/11/2022 12:41

LightandMomentary · 04/11/2022 12:36

OP, I'm just checking that you can report things to ISI if you want (at any time) - you don't need to just be one of the parents interviewed when they come to inspection. Also though, just because ISI are 'due' it doesn't necessarily mean that they'll turn up very soon, so you may be waiting a long time.

Thank you, I didn’t realise this!

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diddl · 04/11/2022 12:42

So the other girl constantly name calls & nothing-your daughter snaps once & is given (I think) a too severe punishment.

Problem with calling the other girl fat is that she has stooped to her level.

The school sound shit though.

To a point your daughter might need to let it wash over her (I say this as a fellow shortarse), but constant nasty comments by one person is obviously bullying.

And of course she's only a child.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 04/11/2022 12:42

ThanksAntsThants · 04/11/2022 12:38

If you don’t want to remove your daughter, then I’d be coaching her on some comebacks, for example, I might be short, but I’ll grow, you’ll always have a horrible personality, or I can’t help being short, but you can help being a nasty person. Things that bike back, but shouldn’t, and I say shouldn’t, get her into trouble.

We did that, and practised retaliating by criticising her personality, which my DD did say to her. and the other girl just laughed at her and mocked what she said. Not quite the mic drop moment I pictured

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Milesty1 · 04/11/2022 12:42

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 04/11/2022 12:02

Funnily enough they have a ISI inspection coming up probably soon and are doing all sorts of superficial things to prepare like safeguarding posters up in the entrance etc, but no proper action it seems. They apparently interview parents, I would love that to be me!

Definitely threaten to contact them then! The way they have treated your daughter is ridiculous.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 04/11/2022 12:43

XelaM · 04/11/2022 12:39

This!

Do not punish your daughter. She was absolutely right to say it and so is your husband. The only way to fight bullying is to stand up to the bullies.

Oh I would never punish her for that, I know what she’s been through and how fed up she is.

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BingBangBollocks · 04/11/2022 12:44

Don't give notice , your daughter has said she wants to stay . What sort of message will that send to her ?
Back your daughter to the hilt and stand your ground
Your daughter stood up for herself at last I'd be bloody proud that she'd found her voice

YukoandHiro · 04/11/2022 12:44

YANBU.
I don't have any advice, but I just wanted to sympathise with your DD. I was (am!) her. At full adult height I am 5ft. My whole school life I was inches and inches shorter than my classmates. Just reading the list of insults makes me wince as clearly nothing has changed. My DD is also short and small, she's in year 1 and nobody is saying anything yet but I know it's coming (she's a summer birthday too, so a whole year younger than some of her classmates).
Encouraging resilience is all very well but the truth is our society doesn't take "short jokes" as seriously as it does bullying about weight or other physical characteristics - and it should. Just look at the response to Rishi Sunak becoming PM - half the comments on social media were about him being "short" (he's not even that short!)
Sadly for your DD she's going to have to buckle in for a life of this. I'm 40 now and I still get the odd remark.
Make sure she hears from you a lot that how people look and their shape/size has no relation to their value.
You can help her by being willing To spend the extra to get her clothes that actually fit from her teens onwards. It's really awful to be short and trying to fit into normal sizes. Everything looks crap on you. Luckily most major brands have a good petite range now. Look at Oasis when she gets to mid teens.
I hope you find a way to get the teacher to take this more seriously. But I sadly doubt you will.

catandcoffee · 04/11/2022 12:45

Well done to your girl.
tell her to whisper it in the girls ear next time. Fight fire with fire....sometimes you have to.

Bluetrews25 · 04/11/2022 12:45

I agree with a PP - she needs teaching some non-punishable comebacks
They're not great but these are the best I came up with

I might be small but I'm perfectly formed (implying but not saying that the other girl isn't)
I might be small but I can manage not to cry like a baby
I might be small in body but I have giant sized emotional intelligence
Better a titch than a witch

And I think your daughter has more emotional intelligence and strength in her little finger than the other girl has in her entire body.

Myotherusernameisonholiday · 04/11/2022 12:46

I realise this is me being pedantic and it won't help but technically she didn't call the other girl fat either. She just said 'at least I'm not fat' (unless she added 'like you')

I realise it was implied, but still!

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 04/11/2022 12:47

Sadly, I suspect the bully will feel she's been handed a hunting licence, & will tease DD mercilessly about getting a punishment. All while presenting herself as the victim. The way the school has handled this has pretty much guaranteed that the bully will double down on her remarks.

This! And this is why you, OP, need to be very firm with the school about it. She will not be punished and the bully should be. It’s outrageous.

I really don’t understand what schools think they’re doing sometimes.

rafanadalsarms · 04/11/2022 12:49

"I can't condone making personal remarks like that"
The bully has been making personal remarks for months. What's the difference between picking on someone's height compared to someone's weight? People can help their weight but not their height.
Fair play to your daughter! Do not let the school get away with this.

ItsaMetalBand · 04/11/2022 12:49

Another shorty here, and fully on Team Emily.

Best of luck today with the school meeting. Hope the outcome is what you want.

Dentistlakes · 04/11/2022 12:50

This may not be a popular opinion but I say well done to your DD! This girl has been bullying her about her personal appearance for a long time and nothing has been done to stop her. Finally your DD lost her shit and gave her a taste of her own medicine. Maybe now she’ll see what a hurtful little cow she’s been and back off.

She’s been punished and I guess the teacher has to do something, but if I were her I’d be internally cheering your DD. Good for her I say!

Pearls1234 · 04/11/2022 12:51

I’d be making a complaint about both teachers - this one for the ridiculous one-sided punishment and last year’s for doing sweet fuck all to prevent it.

Pearls1234 · 04/11/2022 12:52

And yes, well done to your DD! Don’t blame her in the slightest for snapping. Have a great weekend together.

Champsandbubbles · 04/11/2022 12:52

Absolutely I would not allow that punishment on my child when they'd eventually pushed back at being picked on.
Good on your daughter, shame on your school

Swashbuckled · 04/11/2022 12:52

So it seems that school policy has a rather quirky mathematical bias; one can give insults based on length, but not width.

I’d be interested in asking about the rationale for this 🤔

sunshineandsuddenshowers · 04/11/2022 12:52

Damn resilience! That's all about individualising structural problems. I've totally had it with that idea.

This is bullying and harassment, pure and simple, and they have completely failed to deal with it.

Brefugee · 04/11/2022 12:54

arguably (unless it's medical) the fat girl can get thinner but OP's DD can't get taller...

Poppyblush · 04/11/2022 12:54

I’d be furious and not let my child have this punishment. The bulky is getting away with it. Threaten to speak to governors. School has a duty to safeguard your kid.

TwinsAndTiramisu · 04/11/2022 12:54

OP, out of interest, this wouldn't be a school with a name beginning with "R" by any chance? If so, please PM me, in case it's the same place I removed DS from a couple of years ago for an almost identical situation. Even down to the 5 siblings (making me wonder if DS was dealing with the arsehole older brother from the same family)

If not, do ignore me :) And absolutely the favouritism to the nasty child is because they have 5 DC there and the school needs their fees.

Georgeskitchen · 04/11/2022 12:54

I'm a great believer in fighting fire with fire. Well done your daughter, that nasty brat deserved everything and more.
Your daughter should not be punished for retaliation, given that the school has done nothing to stop the bullying!!