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Do I need to curb my DDs enthusiasm for Brownies?

246 replies

LovesLovesLovesBrownies · 02/11/2022 14:21

DD is 8 and a girlguide. A Brownie at the moment but she did Rainbows before and will most likely do Guides after.

Just had an argument with my dad over it and don’t know whether I am UR or not.

I never did hobbies or interests outside of school, dad said they were too expensive and where for posh people who just want to leave parenting to others. I begged to do scouts or guides or DOE Award or anything at all but was always told no.

He says now DD is a Brownie I need to seriously think about “reigning her in” and curb her enthusiasm for it. This is because she puts herself forward for all events outside of meetings and me and ExH have only told her once or twice that she can’t do them. Apparently, this is spoiling her, isn’t teaching her anything and pushing her away from us.

DD absolutely loves Brownies, is very self-motivated, wants to do Interest Badges in every spare minute - she did all 12 Interest Badges at Rainbows and has already done 8 out of 18 for Brownies. She already has Brownie Bronze (after getting Rainbow Bronze and Silver) and will most likely get Silver at Christmas. I knew when I signed her up that she would have to commit to occasional events outside of meetings but I wanted her to do it. She does all her school work including homework and is well behaved at school, so I see no reason to stop it.

I pay for everything to do with it have never asked for help from family or ExH, although ExH bought her another tshirt when she started Brownies as he wanted her to have the long sleeve one for winter. ExH also takes DD to any events that fall on his weekend but I always offer to take her myself and repay contact but he never wants that.

There’s 3 events between now and Christmas and DD wants to do all of them, there was no reason to stop her. 2 are free so no extra costs involved as we can walk to them and the 3rd which falls on ExHs weekend I covered the cost of. There’s usually 3-4 events per quarter apart from in Late Spring/Summer where they all fall in May and June bar 1 in August (which is completely optional and is the only one I’ve ever said no to, ExH said no to an event once as they had a family wedding that day and DD was fine with it, didn't sulk and enjoyed the wedding).

DD is extremely grateful, always says thank you and when I changed my job recently very politely asked if there was enough money to pay for Brownies still as she didn’t mind going without Christmas or Birthday presents if there wasn’t (there was).

Dad still insists she’s spoilt. Especially as she does 2 sports as well, but she’s not as enthusiastic about those and would choose Brownies over those anyday and has done, when events like competitions or matches have clashed she’s chosen Brownies over the sport(s). Dad also says that there’s no point in encouraging it as she can’t do it as an adult, I pointed out leaders/volunteers but he said not everyone can do that and she won’t “get badges” for doing it. He also says hobbies take away family time and he can't see ExPILs "putting up" with it much longer as they only get to see DD on ExHs weekends - ExH did hobbies (he's an only child) so I doubt they're against them. He says my mum also gets annoyed about it as she then can't see us at weekends - my parents are 15 years divorced and rarely talk also my mum comes to "watch" DD in her parades/events if they're open to the public as does Ex-MIL.

So WIBU?

Vote:
YABU – You’re dads right, stop DD doing Brownies
YANBU – You’re right, let DD carry on

OP posts:
witchesbubblebath · 02/11/2022 16:02

He's a miserable old bastard.
I have parents with warped perspectives on things, you aren't alone.
It's probably more to do with your dad's emotional hurt about something, not the group or your DD. Enjoy x

SallyWD · 02/11/2022 16:08

God, your dad sounds so miserable and tight! My daughter's the same as yours and as long as we can afford it we'll encourage her to do every activity she wants. I feel my children have such rich lives because of all the extracurricular activities they do. Their lives are full of little adventures. You only live once and I'm glad they're living life to the full.
You should tell your dad you had a very dull and unexciting childhood because if his miserable views and you want better for your daughter.

SleeplessInEngland · 02/11/2022 16:09

The OP seems to have buggered off, but honestly it's quite weird to have written all that out and still asked AIBU.

TollgateDebs · 02/11/2022 16:12

How brilliant she has a hobby and something she loves. Being part of something, sharing time with others, developing skills and confidence, will benefit her throughout her life and should be encouraged.

Longdarkcloud · 02/11/2022 16:13

So many families would be thrilled to have DC so enthusiastic about such a positive activity. She is increasing her knowledge and skills whilst having fun and socialising outside of school.
Im sorry you had such a wet blanket discouraging parent when you were growing up OP.
Give DDa hug and tell her she’ll be a credit to the Brownies

FirstnameSuesecondnamePerb · 02/11/2022 16:15

Brownies/guides costs buttons compared to most activities. All 3 of mine adored Brownies. Dd3 is currently a Guide and has stayed on til 15 because she loves it and missed out due to covid. About to start Rangers.
Agree your old man is a misery guts.

WeepingSomnambulist · 02/11/2022 16:16

You dad just sounds like a shitty parent who doesn't understand what an important role enrichment plays in a child's wellbeing and moulding them for their future.

It has absolutely nothing to do with him so just tell him to keep his opinions to himself because he had his chance as a parent, it's your turn now and you will do it your way, not his.

XmasElf10 · 02/11/2022 16:16

Your Dad is a joyless whatsit. I did Brownies, Guides, International Camp, Young Leader and Adult Leader. I am not currently doing it but it's been part of my life on and off for 35 years and a good part at that. I still use knots I learned on camp and I still enjoy the silly songs, marshmallow roasting and camping with my own kids. Encourage and celebrate your daughters interest!

Sunnysidegold · 02/11/2022 16:17

Aside from the issue with your dad being weird about the whole thing, your post made me really happy to read! So lovely to hear of a kid really enjoying something where they have to be independent and try new stuff, earn badges, out in work, help others etc. And it was lovely to hear that your ex is on board too and also does his share of the brownie outings.

I think your daughter is obviously getting so much out of this it would be ridiculous to stop. If she was to stop something due to time or money I'd say bin off one of the sports.

Did your dad really want to be a boy scout and not get a chance to or something? He has a very strange attitude to the whole thing. I'm sorry you didn't get to do all the extracurricular things you wanted to as a child, but so nice to see your daughter getting to enjoy these.

Crossback · 02/11/2022 16:18

Wtf. Your dad couldn’t be more wrong
I don’t even want to dignify his concern about it not leading to a future job with a comment but Guiding taught me more practical and social skills than school or home. I credit it with making me a well rounded person.

BingBangBollocks · 02/11/2022 16:19

Your dad sounds a loon , tell him it's noe of his business , it would be horrible for your DD to pick up on this

Figgyroller · 02/11/2022 16:19

Apart from the obvious complete wrong-ness of your dad trying to basically curb your DD's fun, it IS a really valuable hobby which can be really useful if she carries it on long term. A friend's daughter is heavily involved in Scouts (explorer/leader) and this has been a tremendous plus point when applying for Universities. Her personal statement is fab!

Lunificent · 02/11/2022 16:20

He’s talking absolute rubbish.

Letthesunshineonin · 02/11/2022 16:20

If he says it again ask him if the reason he thinks she shouldn’t do so much is because he wants her to have a miserable childhood with no fun like you had.

KleineDracheKokosnuss · 02/11/2022 16:23

Your dad needs therapy and is actively trying to destroy your child’s enjoyment.

I’d minimise contact with him, frankly.

ps. Leaders do get badges. Lots of badges.

Winterfires · 02/11/2022 16:23

What’s it to do with him?

Feelinglikeachange22 · 02/11/2022 16:23

Wow your dad is an utterly ridiculous member of the patriarchy.

Brownies is a relatively cheap hobbie and very good for developing life skills. I loved it as a kid. And as an adult leader I also went to India in a trip of a lifetime and was a guide leader to a pack for a while.

Completely ignore him.

zingally · 02/11/2022 16:24

Your dad is mad, and your DD sounds lovely.

He's doing a lot of projecting onto your decisions for YOUR daughter, because of his inadequacies as a parent back when you were young. Ignore him.

lanthanum · 02/11/2022 16:25

Let her carry on.
And as for "not everyone can do it when they're an adult", they're crying out for leaders - I think the only reason she wouldn't be able to do it would be a criminal record!

Pandorapitstop · 02/11/2022 16:25

As others have said, your DD sounds like a lovely girl. You must be very proud of her.

StridTheKiller · 02/11/2022 16:27

Sorry OP, your Dad is a bell end.

SeasonaIVag · 02/11/2022 16:29

Your dad isn’t worth this much headspace.

Parmesam · 02/11/2022 16:30

Gosh, my DD has done all sorts...some have lasted, some not. She currently goes to an art club which is good as it encourages her art away from the proscribed things she's had to produce at GCSE. A fantastic outlet. Your DD sounds like a very polite young girl. She isn't spoilt at all. All these experiences she's having are positive for her. If she was spoilt she wouldn't be grateful for her mum being able to afford her going. Your Dad is wrong, and it's strange...where did he get this idea? It's up to you what your child does in her free time, in any case, not your Dad's.

Oblomov22 · 02/11/2022 16:31

You dad is a miser.

KettrickenSmiled · 02/11/2022 16:32

I pay for everything to do with it have never asked for help from family or ExH, although ExH bought her another tshirt when she started Brownies as he wanted her to have the long sleeve one for winter. ExH also takes DD to any events that fall on his weekend but I always offer to take her myself and repay contact but he never wants that.

Let me get this straight.
You are happy about Brownies.
Your ex is happy about Brownies.
Your DD LOVES Brownies.

Your miserable bully of a dad wants DD to be deprived of Brownies.

WTF is it to him?
More importantly - really importantly - why are you allowing him any input?
It's got fuck-all to do with the old killjoy.
I'm concerned how much headspace you are giving this.
Your dad must have had a huge, & not beneficial, influence on you when you were growing up - for you to be giving his ridiculous opinions so much weight that you need to post here. It's hard to stomach that you are even contemplating spoiling your DD's enjoyment - just because your dad sees fit to moan on about something that is none of his business. Have you ever had therapy to deal with how your upbringing has made you give so much weight to your dad's nasty pronouncements? Your instinct to kowtow to him?

Advocate for your child. Tell your dad to STFU.
If you can't tell him that directly, you need to look hard at why you can't.
I really think some therapy would help you here. It's not your fault your dad is a controlling bastard, & you should NOT have to live walking on eggshells around his unreasonable behaviour.

Final thought - what would happen, if next time your dad opened his stupid trap about Brownies, you laughed at him & told him not to be silly?

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