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Do I need to curb my DDs enthusiasm for Brownies?

246 replies

LovesLovesLovesBrownies · 02/11/2022 14:21

DD is 8 and a girlguide. A Brownie at the moment but she did Rainbows before and will most likely do Guides after.

Just had an argument with my dad over it and don’t know whether I am UR or not.

I never did hobbies or interests outside of school, dad said they were too expensive and where for posh people who just want to leave parenting to others. I begged to do scouts or guides or DOE Award or anything at all but was always told no.

He says now DD is a Brownie I need to seriously think about “reigning her in” and curb her enthusiasm for it. This is because she puts herself forward for all events outside of meetings and me and ExH have only told her once or twice that she can’t do them. Apparently, this is spoiling her, isn’t teaching her anything and pushing her away from us.

DD absolutely loves Brownies, is very self-motivated, wants to do Interest Badges in every spare minute - she did all 12 Interest Badges at Rainbows and has already done 8 out of 18 for Brownies. She already has Brownie Bronze (after getting Rainbow Bronze and Silver) and will most likely get Silver at Christmas. I knew when I signed her up that she would have to commit to occasional events outside of meetings but I wanted her to do it. She does all her school work including homework and is well behaved at school, so I see no reason to stop it.

I pay for everything to do with it have never asked for help from family or ExH, although ExH bought her another tshirt when she started Brownies as he wanted her to have the long sleeve one for winter. ExH also takes DD to any events that fall on his weekend but I always offer to take her myself and repay contact but he never wants that.

There’s 3 events between now and Christmas and DD wants to do all of them, there was no reason to stop her. 2 are free so no extra costs involved as we can walk to them and the 3rd which falls on ExHs weekend I covered the cost of. There’s usually 3-4 events per quarter apart from in Late Spring/Summer where they all fall in May and June bar 1 in August (which is completely optional and is the only one I’ve ever said no to, ExH said no to an event once as they had a family wedding that day and DD was fine with it, didn't sulk and enjoyed the wedding).

DD is extremely grateful, always says thank you and when I changed my job recently very politely asked if there was enough money to pay for Brownies still as she didn’t mind going without Christmas or Birthday presents if there wasn’t (there was).

Dad still insists she’s spoilt. Especially as she does 2 sports as well, but she’s not as enthusiastic about those and would choose Brownies over those anyday and has done, when events like competitions or matches have clashed she’s chosen Brownies over the sport(s). Dad also says that there’s no point in encouraging it as she can’t do it as an adult, I pointed out leaders/volunteers but he said not everyone can do that and she won’t “get badges” for doing it. He also says hobbies take away family time and he can't see ExPILs "putting up" with it much longer as they only get to see DD on ExHs weekends - ExH did hobbies (he's an only child) so I doubt they're against them. He says my mum also gets annoyed about it as she then can't see us at weekends - my parents are 15 years divorced and rarely talk also my mum comes to "watch" DD in her parades/events if they're open to the public as does Ex-MIL.

So WIBU?

Vote:
YABU – You’re dads right, stop DD doing Brownies
YANBU – You’re right, let DD carry on

OP posts:
VaddaABeetch · 02/11/2022 15:42

You need to start sending your lass down pit.

She’s learning that new skills, social interaction & doing things you enjoy leads to an enjoyable life.

down with that sort of thing. Life is a vale of tears.

ColeensBoot · 02/11/2022 15:43

Look up 'growth mindset'. Your daughter has it, your father doesn't.

Stick up for her and let her go to Brownies.

WiddlinDiddlin · 02/11/2022 15:43

Your Dad is at best a miserable fucker and at worst a nasty cunt.

I've no idea which, you know him and I do not - but I would not be taking his advice on parenting for sure!

Your kid sounds confident, outgoing, motivated, committed, she sounds like shes learning and getting to experience lots of things - whilst Brownies/Guides etc isn't and never was my thing (too much religion behind it), it IS a 'gateway' to LOTS of things, kids get to try stuff out, if they like things they try out there they can explore them elsewhere.

She seems happy enough if she can't go to something for a valid reason, she has other interests as well - I really cannot see a single issue here whatsoever.

Your Dad truly does seem to think that the fact she enjoys it and is enthusiastic and committed is a BAD thing and her delight and joy in doing it should be stamped on.

In my book, thats pretty cunty.

latetothefisting · 02/11/2022 15:44

I read your whole post waiting for the negatives e.g your ex h doesnt like it or its too expensive but they never came! Just a whole list of positives. You haven't provided any rationale at all why you should discourage her from stopping other than your dad wanting her to but even his reasons are ridiculous and don't make any sense! He sounds horrible. If he doesn't approve of her doing something as inexpensive and harmless as brownies what on earth would he approve of her doing?

Flubber88 · 02/11/2022 15:44

It is lovely your DD is so involved in Brownies - she sounds fantastic. You father on the other hand either has issues from his own childhood, or is just plain miserable.

BabyGrooverBug · 02/11/2022 15:44

Your DD is amazing. Help her grasp every opportunity going. ✔️🎉

SquigglePigs · 02/11/2022 15:44

She's doesn't sound spoiled in any way and actually sounds considerate and appreciative. Don't let your Dad ruin this for her or you.

MoirasSaggyBundles · 02/11/2022 15:46

Babdoc · 02/11/2022 15:38

I haven’t read the whole thread, so apologies if a PP has already covered this, but be very wary if your DD wants to go on residential trips with Girl Guides.
Their policy is to put intact male teenagers into shared sleeping accommodation with the girls, if they simply claim to identify as transgender, and they will not warn the girls’ parents that they are doing this, to protect the trans teen’s confidentiality. They couldn’t care less about the obvious safeguarding issues, and have hounded out volunteers who objected. Be aware that your DD may have to share communal showers with a naked boy, or undress in front of one in a dormitory or twin room.
There have been threads on the fwr boards on MN on the subject months ago.

Whilst this is all true, and a real concern for parents and leaders who don't buy into GGUK's bizarre and wilful blindness over this particular issue (and are taking their own measures to mitigate it), it is nothing to do with the OP or the dad's stated reason for stopping his daughter going to guides. He is controlling his daughter from doing a much loved activity, and accusing her of being "spoiled", when quite the opposite seems to be the case. Doing those badges takes a lot of effort, and is a sign of a well organised and dedicated child, not a spoilt one. Not to mention that it is the mother funding it, so he's trying to control her too.

CakeCrumbs44 · 02/11/2022 15:47

Dad also says that there’s no point in encouraging it as she can’t do it as an adult, I pointed out leaders/volunteers but he said not everyone can do that and she won’t “get badges” for doing it
I know this isn't the main point of the post, but there's no reason why anyone who wants to can't be a leader (aside from criminal records etc obviously!!) And leaders do earn badges. I have far more badges from my adventures as an adult than I did as a kid.

KatieBell12 · 02/11/2022 15:47

Your dad is a prick

OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 02/11/2022 15:48

“Dad, when I was a kid I was desperate to do Brownies, you took that away from me, you have no say in what MY daughter does, you miserable fun sponge.”
outside activities are great, they encourage independence, empathy and learning new skills. Being a Guide into adult hood looks great on cvs. (There is an issue with GG allowing boys and men to be classed as women that would colour my judgement, )but your Dd sounds great, tell her to do her sign language badge so she can tell gd to butt out.

Ericaequites · 02/11/2022 15:49

Scouting is very good for young people. It gives them higher self esteem by teaching useful skills, encourages teamwork, helping others, and building resilience. Brownies makes your daughter happy. Your dad is being a Grinch.

purplemama1990 · 02/11/2022 15:50

If you can afford activities for your children, and they really enjoy them, keep them at it. She's made it very clear how much she loves it, even willing to give up christmas and birthday presents so that she can keep at it. Why would you ask her to stop? It isn't spoiling her. It's good to have an interest in something and to enjoy it. I love that I'm able to take my son to different activities, because when he is at home he just wants to watch TV all day. I'd much rather have him out and about and keeping busy. Yes, it means I have to drive him around and keep on top of his schedule. But it's good for them to do these things! Ignore your dad, he deprived you of going to activities and is now trying to do the same to your daughter when really it's none of his business.

Yesthatismychildsigh · 02/11/2022 15:50

FurryDandelionSeekingMissile · 02/11/2022 14:23

Your dad's a miserable fucker.

You beat me to it!

DisforDarkChocolate · 02/11/2022 15:51

FurryDandelionSeekingMissile · 02/11/2022 14:23

Your dad's a miserable fucker.

Not much more to say than this.

FetchezLaVache · 02/11/2022 15:53

Your dad is a horrible grandfather. What nonsensical reasons to try and stop DD doing something she loves.

600 MNers unanimously agree that you should tell him to jog on!

ShakespearesSisters · 02/11/2022 15:53

Brownies is a great thing. The girls get to experience lots of different things they might otherwise not, and helps them find themselves and gain some independence.

Ericaequites · 02/11/2022 15:55

I’d like to apologize for using the word scouting when your daughter is a Girl Guide. In America, girls are Girl Scouts. Guiding builds strong girls. You are a great mom to support her seizing opportunities, learning good stuff, and making friends.

MrsKeats · 02/11/2022 15:56

What the hell has your dad got to do with your parenting!?
Genuinely confused.

WeeOrcadian · 02/11/2022 15:57

It sounds like your dad suppressed your enthusiasm for life, don't do the same (it doesn't sound like that at all!)

Miserable shit your dad is. He needs to butt out.

AllCatsAreBeautiful · 02/11/2022 15:57

Your dad sounds like a bully and like a borderline abuser to be honest. I would consider severely limiting your contact with him & never listening to what he has to say about your DD again. Some therapy to help you recover from his joyless and controlling influence over your life might also be in order if you can afford it!

EllaBella41 · 02/11/2022 15:58

Your daughter sounds lovely! Ignore your dad - if he cared properly, he would want her to enjoy herself.

Notjustabrunette · 02/11/2022 15:58

There is not much I can add that hasn’t already been said. It’s basically your dad has the problem, your child is normal.

fdgdfgdfgdfg · 02/11/2022 15:59

Your Dad sounds like a right miserable fucker, and I say that as a miserable fucker myself.

Don't you dare listen to him on this!

TolkiensFallow · 02/11/2022 16:00

Your daughter isn’t spoilt. She’s committed.

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