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To think this was a hurtful way for DH to kill my career change dream?

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NaTTate · 30/10/2022 10:51

I've been holding the dream of retraining for a career change for the last 16 months, whilst working in a full time job that I took just to pay the bills. DH had seemed supportive of the retraining idea. He has no interest in the particular field himself, so he took a minimal level of interest in what I was doing or talking about with my research and plans, but he had seemed verbally supportive of them.

But then yesterday, after I'd suddenly and unexpectedly been offered a fully funded training place on the course I wanted and would need to hand my notice in at work this week in order to accept the place, he turned around and said "I don't think you should do it. I think you'd be really bad at it."

I'm so thrown and devastated by his comment that I don't know what to think or do. It's utterly crushed my confidence. Is it unreasonable for me to feel that this is not the way a partner who loves you should raise any concerns they might have about whether you are making the wrong choice? It was so brutal and said coldly and he then shut down all my attempts to discuss it together and has seemed distant and angry ever since.

Back story for context (sorry, it's long):

A couple of years ago I was heavily researching career ideas and especially careers suitable for retraining in at a later point in life (I'm late forties). I was feeling pretty desperate, having got myself into a niche London-based career that I couldn't carry on with once we had relocated for DH's work, which contributed to me deciding to be a SAHM for a few years - and then led to me feeling increasingly irrelevant and out of touch. A specific area of tech came up as something I felt interested in and I found a training course (bootcamp type course) that looked to be well run, well respected, had mentoring and support for students and had good results at helping them find jobs afterwards. To apply you had to complete an intensive set of training labs, to show that you had the ability and commitment. I worked really hard at it over several weeks, I found some of it difficult, but from the online discussion forum I could see that others were too. I completed it and passed. I received an offer of a place, but at the same time my desperate job search (which had been unsuccessful over a long period of time) suddenly threw up a job offer. A graduate entry level job, on less than I'd been earning a decade ago, but a starting point. It was in a field I'd considered but wasn't in the area of tech I'd been pushing towards. The tech course was going to cost £9k, income share agreements were available, but we were struggling financially and not able to meet outgoings so I took the job offer and arranged with the training provider to defer my place (they take on several cohorts a year) - thinking that I could give the new job a good shot, decide whether it had potential for a long term career with progression, and keep the other idea on the back burner.

I'm managing the new job but I'm not excelling in it, I don't think the role is overall a very good match for my skill set or the way my brain works and I don't think the field has good enough prospects long term. There are aspects that are good about the job - nice company culture and my practical day to day working life works well for us (job is remote). However, I'm already feeling a bit stuck, I'm finding the low pay without an obvious path to progress frustrating and confidence-denting. I'm going to be 50 next month and I'll be on £25k, it's not what I hoped and I'm scared I'm going to have a poverty-stricken old age. The idea that I might do the tech training course at some point in the next 12-24 months and move into that field instead has been keeping me going at times. I've been continuing to read books and do practice labs in that field, but not nearly as often as I'd intended, as my the workload of my job is high and I've been finding going back to full time work with a family taking almost every bit of spare time and energy I have.

Last week the tech training provider contacted me out of the blue to say they had some 100% funded places available, but there is only one cohort they can use them on (government funding with a deadline) and a place is mine if I want it. If I want to take the place I will have to had my notice in at work on Monday to be able to work my notice period and be free in time to start. Which feels daunting and sudden - hence me wanting to discuss it with DH. It will have big economic impacts on the family in the short term - it's a full time course so I wouldn't be earning for 4 months (plus however long it took to secure a job afterwards). So it's a big decision and will affect the whole family, DH is not in a high earning field, so it would be tight and a struggle. We would have to borrow to meet our living costs. The career field is in high demand and well paid so hopefully the earning potential in the future will be far better than anything I've ever had before, but it's obviously always a risk to quit a job in this way and it doesn't feel like I can just go off and hand in my notice and do it anyway without DH's support.

I've been reflecting on what he said and realised that I would never say that to someone who was talking about their plans and goals - not to him, not to a friend. I might bring up possible issues, skill sets versus areas that the person might struggle with. But I would never be broadly supportive for months and then suddenly come straight out and say "I think you'd be really bad at this" and then refuse to engage any further. I don't feel like a person who actually cares would say this to someone. That's what I'm particularly gutted about. It feels brutal and not loving and not a mature way for two adults to make any decision. I'm interested to know what anyone else thinks about this - would you be gutted if your partner said this to you in this way? Or would you welcome brutal honesty?

I've just spent 16 months doing online coursework and study aids, watching youtube videos and reading books on the subject and he knows this. So why would he say it now, after all this time, when I'm potentially right on the verge of starting? The time to bring up a serious concern was before now, it makes me think he didn't ever really think I would do it. He did mention a concern about whether it was a good fit for me once a few months ago, but from his comments I realised he thought that I would be basically doing IT support, which is not at all what the career path is, and I could wholeheartedly see why I'd be rubbish at that; so I briefly went over what the subject actually was and what the potential career paths would be, suggested he look at some of the training labs I'd been doing and I could show him more detail about career roles etc. He wasn't interested in doing that or learning more about the field, so he didn't, which is fine, but I thought he at least had a bit more understanding of the field and seemed broadly supportive again.

When I received this offer of a funded place, I wasn't 100% sure myself what I should do, there are so many factors to consider - possibly I should stay a bit longer in this job, commit more fully and see where it goes, or else save up more money and accept paying the full amount to do the tech course at a time that feels less sudden and is more planned for us as a family. Or perhaps I should
grab this chance while it's here? I really wanted us to be able to discuss all this together. And I feel like by just saying "I think you'd be really bad at it" he has just effectively shut down all discussion and wrecked my confidence and enthusiasm. Maybe I would be shit at it. It's really hard to tell from the outside (of anything) what the reality would be like. But I've spent hours and hours over several years looking into what I might be able to do and I haven't come up with much else - that I feel I'd be good at, or would want to do, or have time or money to retrain in at this stage in life, or that would be a career that would fit around DH's long and irregular working hours, that will see me to retirement age and beyond. And he hasn't come up with realistic alternative suggestions either. Or indeed shown any interest in finding out what this idea actually entails. My confidence was pretty wrecked at this point in life anyway. I felt this was my best shot.

AIBU to feel that this is a hurtful way for DH to have responded to me?

OP posts:
Lalalalazy · 30/10/2022 11:13

RandomMess · 30/10/2022 11:11

Absolutely do it.

I think he feels threatened by your get up and go. You sacrificed your career for his by relocating so now he needs to step up and make this opportunity work for you.

Agreed! This seems a fantastic opportunity. Go for it and prove him wrong!

tickticksnooze · 30/10/2022 11:13

Take the opportunity.

ImEasyLikeSundayMorning · 30/10/2022 11:13

I didn't read the whole thread because it was looooong but I didn't need to.

You have a dream career, you have been given an an opportunity and your DH basically peed all over it.

He didn't say "I'm concerned how this will effect us financially.

He didn't say "How will we juggle everything."

He simply had the opinion that you would be no good which is fucking awful.

So go forth and made that bastard eat his hat and excel in your career.

Cw112 · 30/10/2022 11:14

Are you fully informed on your household finances? Could you work out a budget of how you'll manage and make ends meet for the duration of your course and show it you your dh to see if that's what he was worried about? Is he usually supportive of you and is this out of character or is this true to form? I can't imagine my dh ever saying something like that to me I've just finished a masters that I wasn't sure i was smart enough for and my dh was the one telling me I could do it every step of the way and picking up the lions share of the housework etc along the way so I could focus on that.

I think you need to sit down with him calmly when he's maybe less defensive and just say that his comments surprised you because you'd felt like he was on board previously and you want to understand where he's coming from so could you have an open and honest chat about it. If he declines then I'd be tempted to say that since he can't pebbly communicate with you about his concerns and you don't have concerns then you'll be going ahead with the course because you feel like you'll regret it otherwise. Could you take on some part time work somewhere at weekends or something during the 4 months so you're not completely out of work and have something coming in?

I think you need to make a decision for yourself here, you wouldn't have been granted a place on the course if they didn't think you'd be a good fit and if you don't take the opportunity would you send up regretting it and resenting your dh for it?

SingingSands · 30/10/2022 11:16

Take the offer. You will regret it if you don't. YOU know you are capable, the course providers know you are capable. You say yourself your DH doesn't know much about the field.

Maybe he's jealous? Jealous people lash out and belittle others. RISE ABOVE.

You are a strong capable woman, do not let anyone push you down.

LittleOwl153 · 30/10/2022 11:16

You gave up your career to enable him to follow his... then you took time out of any career to birth and look after his children... then when you find a career path you really want, having proved you are capable he kills you dead?

Bugger that for a game of soldiers. Take the training placement, cut the lifestyle for 4 months and go out there and get a better paid job than him... (then watch him leave as he can't cope being the underearner hence he needs to destroy your career not once but twice!).

Good luck OP. You can do it you've already proved to the course provider that you can. Now prove it to yourself and do it for your kids!

44PumpLane · 30/10/2022 11:17

OP, as others have said I think you should trust the opinion of those in the field who have offered you a fully funded place. I imagine fully funded places are very rare and much sought after, they wouldn't just throw that away on you for no reason.

Am I right in thinking if you are successful that your job prospects will be good but also your earning potential too? Could your husband be feeling like he doesn't want you being the more successful higher earner? Or does he just not want the household dynamic to change? Will he have to step up more?

Given he's decided not to engage in any meaningful discussion about this opportunity, I think you've got no choice but to evaluate the opportunity by yourself and make a decision. It's not your fault he won't discuss it.

I honestly think you should go for it OP. People on their death bed rarely lament having a try!

Fireflygal · 30/10/2022 11:20

I didn't read all of the thread as too long but I would say if you are SURE there are job opportunities with much higher salary afterwards, go for it.

Perhaps start a thread to get input as there could be a risk that this is a training scheme that isn't recognised.

However borrowing to do a course in this economic environment would be concerning- have you directly asked your H if these are his concerns? If his only objection is he doesn't think you can do it then don't let that put you off.

rookiemere · 30/10/2022 11:20

That was a horrible thing to say.

The only thing I can think is it's because of the finances. Could you afford to pursue this if you were on your own ?

Dilbertian · 30/10/2022 11:20

DH is not in a high earning field, so it would be tight and a struggle. We would have to borrow to meet our living costs. The career field is in high demand and well paid so hopefully the earning potential in the future will be far better than anything I've ever had before,

He's afraid. Afraid of becoming the lower earner and dependent upon his wife. Afraid of having to carry the family while you train and get established.

Go for it. It's a fantastic opportunity for you, will likely never come around again, and opens such possibilities that it's worth the risk.

Ingrainedagainstthegrain · 30/10/2022 11:22

You must go for it.

Ignore him. He was not helpful or kind.

Workawayxx · 30/10/2022 11:22

Do it, no matter what! It sounds such a great opportunity and you wouldn’t have Been offered the chance if you hadn’t shown some aptitude. If he gave reasons and examples why you wouldn’t be good at it, that might be different but to just state that fact with no reasoning?! I think he feels threatened/jealous at the thought of you moving ahead and him being in a low paid job. Or worried at his life changing (maybe he’d need to take on more house tasks/child related stuff?).

NeverDropYourMooncup · 30/10/2022 11:22

He's afraid. Afraid of becoming the lower earner and dependent upon his wife. Afraid of having to carry the family while you train and get established

Or afraid of getting so far into debt that they lose the house and everything else?

Lillygolightly · 30/10/2022 11:22

He can’t accurately judge whether or not you would be any good in this field if he doesn’t even understand (and couldn’t be bothered to either when you tried to show him) himself what area you would be working in.

If his main concern was finances and to be fair I am sure they are indeed a concern, but surely that begs a calm rational discussion not shutting you down and basically tell you you’ll be crap!

The fact that he is unwilling to discuss it with you leads me to think that he is jealous of this opportunity and the fact that your career potential may well surpass his own. This therefore means he would resent supporting you on this new venture while he is still stuck in his old one which is exactly why he chose to shit on you by completing insulting you and shutting you down, rather than simply saying that he doesn’t is financially doable etc.

Bessie22 · 30/10/2022 11:23

minipie · 30/10/2022 11:00

Yes I think it’s hurtful

Also not sure why your DH is so sure you’d be bad at it given you’ve gone through an extended entry process and got an offer.

Also not sure why you relocated for DH’s job away from your previous career to become SAHM when he’s not a high earner

I may be wrong but it sounds like he enjoys his career being top dog and is maybe a bit threatened by your plans?

Yes to all of this.

Absolutely you should take your place on the course!

MrsSirusBlack · 30/10/2022 11:25

What @ImEasyLikeSundayMorning said.

mumda · 30/10/2022 11:26

Do it.

You'll be amazing at it.

SuSen · 30/10/2022 11:27

Yes it's a hurtful way for your husband to say it.
The company that has offered you the funded place think you're good enough.
Assuming as you have worked so hard to get to this point that you also think it's something you would be good at.
Your husband is most likely worried about the 4 months of no pay where he will need to financially support the whole family. The fact he's not willing to discuss it further though is a bad sign. You need to discuss your relationship with your husband and ensure it is secure enough and he's not been planning on leaving you or something similar.

DucklingDaisy · 30/10/2022 11:27

Keyansier · 30/10/2022 11:01

You don't think it was hurtful to tell her she'd be really bad at it?

No, not really. And you're assuming that the OP is good at it when he could be nearer the truth. I said she should still do it though.

Either you are being deliberately nasty or you have sone sort of difficulty that makes you struggle with empathy.

CaptainThe95thRifles · 30/10/2022 11:28

Grab a chance when you can and you won't be sorry for a might have been.

If you were paying 9k for it, I can see why he might be concerned, but if the training providers are willing to offer you a free place, they clearly think you're going to manage the course. I think they're in a better place to judge your aptitude than your DH.

Fufumcgoo · 30/10/2022 11:30

Just here as one of those who saw the short link and thought this would be waaayyy more horrific than it turned out to be.
To think this was a hurtful way for DH to kill my ca.........

America12 · 30/10/2022 11:31

I'd say go for it.
Can you fit in a Christmas temp job to help with money a bit ?

BigWillyStyleandPrincessKate · 30/10/2022 11:31

Keyansier · 30/10/2022 11:01

You don't think it was hurtful to tell her she'd be really bad at it?

No, not really. And you're assuming that the OP is good at it when he could be nearer the truth. I said she should still do it though.

Why do you assume the man who isn't doing the work and doesn't know anything about it knows more than she who has been studying for 16 months if she would be good at it?

Clymene · 30/10/2022 11:31

So he's sabotaged your career once and now he's doing it again? He's a dick

Phineyj · 30/10/2022 11:32

Go for it. 4 months is 4 months. Even if it dents your finances somewhat, it's not a 4 year PhD.

You've got to speculate to accumulate sometimes.

Regarding the DH, he clearly does not have evidence on which he's based his opinion if he's refused to look at the materials, misunderstands the area of work etc.

You are going to need at least one cheerleader though, as it won't be him. Friend or family member?