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To think this was a hurtful way for DH to kill my career change dream?

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NaTTate · 30/10/2022 10:51

I've been holding the dream of retraining for a career change for the last 16 months, whilst working in a full time job that I took just to pay the bills. DH had seemed supportive of the retraining idea. He has no interest in the particular field himself, so he took a minimal level of interest in what I was doing or talking about with my research and plans, but he had seemed verbally supportive of them.

But then yesterday, after I'd suddenly and unexpectedly been offered a fully funded training place on the course I wanted and would need to hand my notice in at work this week in order to accept the place, he turned around and said "I don't think you should do it. I think you'd be really bad at it."

I'm so thrown and devastated by his comment that I don't know what to think or do. It's utterly crushed my confidence. Is it unreasonable for me to feel that this is not the way a partner who loves you should raise any concerns they might have about whether you are making the wrong choice? It was so brutal and said coldly and he then shut down all my attempts to discuss it together and has seemed distant and angry ever since.

Back story for context (sorry, it's long):

A couple of years ago I was heavily researching career ideas and especially careers suitable for retraining in at a later point in life (I'm late forties). I was feeling pretty desperate, having got myself into a niche London-based career that I couldn't carry on with once we had relocated for DH's work, which contributed to me deciding to be a SAHM for a few years - and then led to me feeling increasingly irrelevant and out of touch. A specific area of tech came up as something I felt interested in and I found a training course (bootcamp type course) that looked to be well run, well respected, had mentoring and support for students and had good results at helping them find jobs afterwards. To apply you had to complete an intensive set of training labs, to show that you had the ability and commitment. I worked really hard at it over several weeks, I found some of it difficult, but from the online discussion forum I could see that others were too. I completed it and passed. I received an offer of a place, but at the same time my desperate job search (which had been unsuccessful over a long period of time) suddenly threw up a job offer. A graduate entry level job, on less than I'd been earning a decade ago, but a starting point. It was in a field I'd considered but wasn't in the area of tech I'd been pushing towards. The tech course was going to cost £9k, income share agreements were available, but we were struggling financially and not able to meet outgoings so I took the job offer and arranged with the training provider to defer my place (they take on several cohorts a year) - thinking that I could give the new job a good shot, decide whether it had potential for a long term career with progression, and keep the other idea on the back burner.

I'm managing the new job but I'm not excelling in it, I don't think the role is overall a very good match for my skill set or the way my brain works and I don't think the field has good enough prospects long term. There are aspects that are good about the job - nice company culture and my practical day to day working life works well for us (job is remote). However, I'm already feeling a bit stuck, I'm finding the low pay without an obvious path to progress frustrating and confidence-denting. I'm going to be 50 next month and I'll be on £25k, it's not what I hoped and I'm scared I'm going to have a poverty-stricken old age. The idea that I might do the tech training course at some point in the next 12-24 months and move into that field instead has been keeping me going at times. I've been continuing to read books and do practice labs in that field, but not nearly as often as I'd intended, as my the workload of my job is high and I've been finding going back to full time work with a family taking almost every bit of spare time and energy I have.

Last week the tech training provider contacted me out of the blue to say they had some 100% funded places available, but there is only one cohort they can use them on (government funding with a deadline) and a place is mine if I want it. If I want to take the place I will have to had my notice in at work on Monday to be able to work my notice period and be free in time to start. Which feels daunting and sudden - hence me wanting to discuss it with DH. It will have big economic impacts on the family in the short term - it's a full time course so I wouldn't be earning for 4 months (plus however long it took to secure a job afterwards). So it's a big decision and will affect the whole family, DH is not in a high earning field, so it would be tight and a struggle. We would have to borrow to meet our living costs. The career field is in high demand and well paid so hopefully the earning potential in the future will be far better than anything I've ever had before, but it's obviously always a risk to quit a job in this way and it doesn't feel like I can just go off and hand in my notice and do it anyway without DH's support.

I've been reflecting on what he said and realised that I would never say that to someone who was talking about their plans and goals - not to him, not to a friend. I might bring up possible issues, skill sets versus areas that the person might struggle with. But I would never be broadly supportive for months and then suddenly come straight out and say "I think you'd be really bad at this" and then refuse to engage any further. I don't feel like a person who actually cares would say this to someone. That's what I'm particularly gutted about. It feels brutal and not loving and not a mature way for two adults to make any decision. I'm interested to know what anyone else thinks about this - would you be gutted if your partner said this to you in this way? Or would you welcome brutal honesty?

I've just spent 16 months doing online coursework and study aids, watching youtube videos and reading books on the subject and he knows this. So why would he say it now, after all this time, when I'm potentially right on the verge of starting? The time to bring up a serious concern was before now, it makes me think he didn't ever really think I would do it. He did mention a concern about whether it was a good fit for me once a few months ago, but from his comments I realised he thought that I would be basically doing IT support, which is not at all what the career path is, and I could wholeheartedly see why I'd be rubbish at that; so I briefly went over what the subject actually was and what the potential career paths would be, suggested he look at some of the training labs I'd been doing and I could show him more detail about career roles etc. He wasn't interested in doing that or learning more about the field, so he didn't, which is fine, but I thought he at least had a bit more understanding of the field and seemed broadly supportive again.

When I received this offer of a funded place, I wasn't 100% sure myself what I should do, there are so many factors to consider - possibly I should stay a bit longer in this job, commit more fully and see where it goes, or else save up more money and accept paying the full amount to do the tech course at a time that feels less sudden and is more planned for us as a family. Or perhaps I should
grab this chance while it's here? I really wanted us to be able to discuss all this together. And I feel like by just saying "I think you'd be really bad at it" he has just effectively shut down all discussion and wrecked my confidence and enthusiasm. Maybe I would be shit at it. It's really hard to tell from the outside (of anything) what the reality would be like. But I've spent hours and hours over several years looking into what I might be able to do and I haven't come up with much else - that I feel I'd be good at, or would want to do, or have time or money to retrain in at this stage in life, or that would be a career that would fit around DH's long and irregular working hours, that will see me to retirement age and beyond. And he hasn't come up with realistic alternative suggestions either. Or indeed shown any interest in finding out what this idea actually entails. My confidence was pretty wrecked at this point in life anyway. I felt this was my best shot.

AIBU to feel that this is a hurtful way for DH to have responded to me?

OP posts:
Scurryfunge12 · 30/10/2022 17:50

Is it training in something that would be more prestigious or higher paid than his current job, OP? If so, he might be feeling inadequate and doesn’t want you to do better for that reason. Do it! Even if you are bad at it, which is doubtful considering it will be fully funded, then at least you will have tried.

What a shitty attitude from your husband.

NaTTate · 30/10/2022 18:01

That's great @Greennetting and very inspiring. Well done!

OP posts:
Courtjobby · 30/10/2022 18:07

I think you should deffo go for it. Sounds potentially like my course , though mine is through a university. I'm in my 40s and think the sooner I retrain the better, and it's never too late. The fact you got through the intensive training course which I assume was java or c++ means you definitely have the ability to finish the full course. I bet only about 30% of ppl got through to it. You will have so many great life experiences that will make you an attractive graduate job applicant when you are finished.

GerronBuzanDoThaWomwok · 30/10/2022 18:50

Whether or not you follow your dream, one thing stood out to me.If an unpleasant comment from your husband can destroy your self-confidence, you need to work on that first. How will you endure the whole retraining process, let alone seek and find employment in this new field, if you start out with self-doubt? I imagine he's started as he means to go on, and there will be many more negatives and complaints from him, especially since your decision will impact on the family's finances.If you go for it, please make sure you have enough real-life support to balance his negativity.

Blueink · 30/10/2022 19:47

A very high MN majority of 95% are in full support of you OP. His comments are very undermining. He’s shown little interest in what you’ve been up to until now, so I wouldn’t put any value on his sudden opinion about your suitability or second guess yourself. “With friends like that, who needs enemies” yet this is your DP. No wonder your confidence is low. Please do find a way to make it work, it’s not just a whim, it’s something you’ve been passionate about and working towards for some time. You will never know if you don’t try, and if you give up the opportunity it will lead to regret and resentment. You wouldn’t have started the thread otherwise.

Redebs · 30/10/2022 20:46

sheepdogdelight · 30/10/2022 12:29

To present an alternative perspective.

I agree that the way your husband spoke to you was hurtful and I think you need to try to encourage him to have a proper conversation about it.

But ... does he have a point and/or is he worried about other things? He knows you better than 1000 random people on the internet.

I can see if my husband had wanted to change to a career I thought was wrong for him, but didn't seem to be going anywhere, I'd probably keep my doubts to myself and hope he worked that our for myself.

I don't agree it's necessarily a huge vote of confidence (although it may be) that you've been offered a funded place - it sounds like the company has been offered some government funding to use up by a deadline, and they potentially have a limited set of people that they can offer it to, if you have to go through aptitude tests prior to sitting the test, and most people will have gone straight on to do the boot camp. And, at the end of the day, the company just wants money.

And there quite often is funding available to get people into tech jobs. So that's another thing to consider - that actually you might be able to get funding at a later date for this or another similar type of course.

I tend to be rather sceptical of training companies that charge huge fees to train people up with no guarantee of a job later. Don't be in any illusions that you are paying for anything other than doing a training course. Yes, there may be plenty of jobs available in this field, but they companies are still not necessarily going to employ someone who has basically no experience outside of the course. Even if the course makes you really employable, it's quite rare to walk straight into a professional job - so there will likely be a lag of potentially even some months. Have you (both) seriously looked at the finances of covering this?

I also think you need to think seriously about why you are not liking your current job. You both say that you are not excelling but that you are frustrated by low future prospects. Are you 100% sure this will not be the case in your new career path? I have to admit it worries me that you say you found the assessments for the bootcamp difficult. Assuming this is something like coding, I think people either get the right way of thinking or they don't. Maybe this is what your husband means?

Yes, this is sadly all too common. Anyone remember 'Computeach' ?

TheHumanExperience · 30/10/2022 23:31

OP, The only regrets I have in life is the opportunities I missed because a man talked me out of something I really wanted to do. This has happened 3 times, and now so many years have passed, and I am in the situation you are but without the offer or the prospects.

I'd say 100% go for it. You will regret the opportunity you missed out on, and you may never get another one. Do you have children that need taken care of, childcare etc? Could this be why he made the comment? Whatever, it was a heartless unkind blunt comment which was totally unnecessary. How the hell does he really know what you are capable of, or is it just a way of keeping you down. You know you can do it. You have a passion for it. Don't let anyone control your chances to be what you want to be. I find that very controlling, in what should be a loving supportive relationship.

MissTrip82 · 31/10/2022 00:13

he shouldn’t have said that.

I’m surprised so many people are ok with a step that means you’d need to borrow money for living expenses though. That would not be acceptable to either of us. We’ve done a lot to support each others dreams but actually borrowing to live? We wouldn’t do that. There are opportunities you actually can’t ‘grab with both hands’ when you are responsible for a family.

emptythelitterbox · 31/10/2022 07:38

Does your current company have an IT department?

If so, could you keep your job and do a secondment in the IT department when you finish or close to finishing your training? It would be worth looking into.

Another company where I headed up the IT department I would bring in people from customer service, claims, etc. for 6 months secondment opportunities. At the end, if they wanted it and it was a mutual fit, I would offer them a permanent position.

Another thing you can look into is paid internships. Many of them are WFH.
Is your course in person or online?

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