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AIBU to not stop my daughter's trips with her grandmother?

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louisart · 27/10/2022 16:28

I remarried earlier this year. My wife and I each had daughters from previous relationships. Her daughter (Rose) is 13 and my daughter (Iris) is 16. Until recently we have all gotten along well and I think we’ve done a good job blending our families. Aside from small age related things we treat the girls the same.

The issue my wife and Rose have is that Iris has a grandmother (my late wife’s mum) who takes her on biannual trips. These trips are something they have been doing for years ever since Iris was a little girl. It was also a bonding thing for my mil and her daughter as well. The three of them used to have such a great time together. I think it’s great that they have continued doing these trips together all these years. Especially since her grandmother lives far away so they do not see each other regularly.

Rose however was very jealous after Iris came back from their trip this summer (their first trip since I remarried). Even more so when she saw the new stuff Iris had gotten (they do a little shopping when they travel). She had snuck into Iris’s room and snooped. Iris and her grandmother were also very kind to bring back a gift for me, my wife, and Rose. Rose still thought it was unfair because she only got one thing while Iris got several things.

They’ve started planning their winter trip and its really made things tense in our household. Iris had asked me and my wife what our plans were for winter break so she could figure out dates with her grandmother. Rose however overheard the conversation and now she’s mad that Iris is going on another trip.

Unfortunately my wife and I cannot afford to take Rose on a similar trip right now. I thought that we could try saving up to go someplace special in a few years, but my wife thinks that I should tell Iris and her grandmother that they cannot go on their trips at all anymore in the mean time. I feel like it’s unfair to stop these trips when she enjoys and looks forward to them so much and that stopping the trips will only cause her to resent Rose. She however said it’s unfair to Rose to continue them and that stopping them is the only way we can keep peace in our household and keep the girls feeling like they are equals. I think it unreasonable to expect them to be treated equally by each others non mutual family members and that the important thing is that we teat them equally.

OP posts:
coconutpie · 28/10/2022 21:47

Trez1510 · 28/10/2022 19:25

I'm wondering if the new wife has some mental capacity deficit?

Can she not see both daughters are treated equally within the confines of the family home/dynamic?

I'm further wondering if the spoiled, mercenary, jealous, snooping, entitled brat is a mini-me of her mother? That sort of behaviour left unchecked indicates a parent who sees that behaviour as 'normal' when it clearly is not.

My final comment would be, under my watch, there would be no special treats / events lined up for the 13yo in the 16yo's absence. Why not? Because the 16yo would be missing out on equal treatment within the family dynamic which appears to be a 'demand' of the new wife.

This.

billy1966 · 28/10/2022 23:52

Trez1510 · 28/10/2022 19:25

I'm wondering if the new wife has some mental capacity deficit?

Can she not see both daughters are treated equally within the confines of the family home/dynamic?

I'm further wondering if the spoiled, mercenary, jealous, snooping, entitled brat is a mini-me of her mother? That sort of behaviour left unchecked indicates a parent who sees that behaviour as 'normal' when it clearly is not.

My final comment would be, under my watch, there would be no special treats / events lined up for the 13yo in the 16yo's absence. Why not? Because the 16yo would be missing out on equal treatment within the family dynamic which appears to be a 'demand' of the new wife.

Calm down.

You will be likely to be accused of awful posts, by posting thus.😁

My dear close friend of nearly 50 years having been subject to a similar type of SM, makes it definitely personal to me.

The grief and loss doesn't dissipate.

I know this because I have listened to my friend for so many decades, .......yes decades, and she is a massive believer in therapy and self help.

This pain, grief, loss, emptiness, doesn't dissipate.

It remains.

My friend is a outwardly a hugely successful woman, very publicly noted, lauded, awarded.

But with me, .....privately, .......she is always the confused 10 year old that suddenly lost her wonderful mother, who was replaced 2 years later, by a woman who inexplicably actively disliked her, .......and felt very threatened by her, ......and her fathers love for his lovely ex wife.

My dear friend has paid a huge, quiet, private, price for this, her whole life.

Her father definitely knew his knew wife was a dud,......I witnessed it, in their home ...but he said nothing.

This is indeed very personal to me.
The impact of the wrong step parent after a bereavement is simply enormous.

My husband also lost his mother very suddenly ,and his father grieved her hugely,.........neglected my husband in his grief, but bless him he never inflicted an awful step parent on him.

Since we are together 30+ years, and he has become close to my dear friend, he quickly developed even more respect and regard for his much loved late father.

He recognises her additional grief to his, and appreciates that his dear dad at least never inflicted some woman on him that would have only compounded his grief.

I really am hoping the OP steps up.

HollaHolla · 29/10/2022 00:03

So, both girls have (at least one) grandparent, from what I can work out. Sorry if I’ve picked that up wrongly.
Surely each set of grandparents/remaining family have the opportunity to do something with their granddaughter.

It would be different if you were going away with your wife and child, and leaving your stepdaughter at home. But you’re not.
So - immediate family; all 4 of you go.
Then, separate to that, all bets are off on what happens with extended family.

FFS, I had no grandmothers on both sides, as they died before I was born. I was SO envious when my friends and cousins went to their grans for tea, or for a week in the school holidays. Didn’t mean I should be able to go too!!

MigsandTiggs · 29/10/2022 08:29

Picking up on a theme of this thread, it is not beyond the realms of the possible that in the event of your death that Iris may be significantly disadvantaged given the default rules of inheritance unless you have updated your will after your marriage to express your wishes about what Iris inherits.

I cannot emphasise how important this is. When my ds told me he was getting divorced I immediately consulted a solicitor to ensure that his inheritance was protected from his exW even though it was expected to be an amicable divorce.

In your case, you need to make sure that Iris inherits all her late mother's assets including a share of the proceeds of any house, now sold, that you owned together and was possibly used to buy another property with your new wife.

BitossiBlues · 29/10/2022 11:36

Some very sad stories on this thread. Reading it, I keep thinking of chef Nigel Slater's account, in his autobiography Toast, of events following his mother's death. A similar tale of a warm and loving mum being replaced by someone wholly unsuitable to step parenting, a father too caught up in his own comfort to look out for his own child, and an inheritance disappearing into the pockets of near strangers. Not saying this about the OP, who at least recognises there's a problem with his wife's demands. I just hope he stays firm for the sake of his daughter's wellbeing and their future relationship; and recognises that the "one big happy family" scenario may need a bit of legal back up, in the shape of a watertight will that does not leave his biological child's share in the goodwill of her step mother.

CouldBeOuting · 29/10/2022 15:00

I agree with previous posters that you need a water tight will OP

My DF remarried a few years after the death of my DM. He died recently. His wife “generously” let me and my brother have a few sentimental items - pictures of my children (she didn’t want them) and the retirement gifts we’d bought him. She sold the house (which had been mainly funded by the sake of our family home) and a lot of the furniture and other items which had previously belonged to my parents and even a canteen of cutlery and dinner service that had actually belonged to my grandmother. All our childhood photos have gone “I’ve never seen them” she said! We will never inherit a thing from my parents now - her will leaves everything to her niece - “it is important that I leave things to my family” she says. “You inherited when your mother died” she says. But we didn’t… Dad inherited everything from her, I got her engagement ring and my brother got her wedding ring. Please OP protect your daughters inheritance from her mother.

LolaSmiles · 29/10/2022 15:04

That's incredibly sad CouldBeOuting
There have been a few threads saying similar things and it's upsetting to see how often new spouses think nothing of taking what they can for 'their' family, and how it's foolish to ever rely on a new spouse doing the right thing.

XanaduKira · 29/10/2022 15:14

SleepyPlanet · 27/10/2022 21:08

Oh wow. Your daughter has lost her mum and your mil has lost her daughter. Stopping these trips sounds like extreme cruelty to me. Please don't. To be honest the fact that your wife demands this would make me question the relationship.

Totally agree with this.

Also agree with PP who said to please ensure your will protects your DDs inheritance as your DW doesn't actually sound very nice nor like someone who would protect your DDs financial interests in future, should you die first.

Mamai90 · 29/10/2022 15:18

BaffledShopper · 27/10/2022 16:30

YANBU but your mother-in-law is. She should take both girls on the trips in future.

Is she fuck!

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2022 11:35

Trez1510 · 28/10/2022 19:25

I'm wondering if the new wife has some mental capacity deficit?

Can she not see both daughters are treated equally within the confines of the family home/dynamic?

I'm further wondering if the spoiled, mercenary, jealous, snooping, entitled brat is a mini-me of her mother? That sort of behaviour left unchecked indicates a parent who sees that behaviour as 'normal' when it clearly is not.

My final comment would be, under my watch, there would be no special treats / events lined up for the 13yo in the 16yo's absence. Why not? Because the 16yo would be missing out on equal treatment within the family dynamic which appears to be a 'demand' of the new wife.

Wow. Why so insulting and offensive ? This is an issue which has only just raised its’ head. Do we not think we should give some consideration that it’s a new situation for everyone, including Rose, and maybe the new wife just hasn’t thought it through properly. When she does, hopefully she’ll realise that she has to set some boundaries for her daughter, including teaching her some empathy, and that life is swings and roundabouts.

Trez1510 · 02/11/2022 20:39

Rosscameasdoody · 02/11/2022 11:35

Wow. Why so insulting and offensive ? This is an issue which has only just raised its’ head. Do we not think we should give some consideration that it’s a new situation for everyone, including Rose, and maybe the new wife just hasn’t thought it through properly. When she does, hopefully she’ll realise that she has to set some boundaries for her daughter, including teaching her some empathy, and that life is swings and roundabouts.

Insulting and offensive? I've reflected what is in the OP's original post.

This should never have got to the ears of the OP.

If 'Rose' was not jealous, snooping, mercenary etc. and without empathy, this would not have happened.

If the 'new wife' had any empathy for Iris she'd have dealt with Rose herself and worked on encouraging similar empathy in her own daughter.

Instead, as an adult she has not only accepted but actively supported her daughter's jealous/mercenary nature to the extent she wants Iris 'punished' as a result.

None of that relates to the newness of any situation. It is extremely basic emotional intelligence that should apply to any adult in any such situation where a 13yo is consumed with jealousy over anything, far less such a delicate one.

TwistedAce · 05/11/2022 00:01

Umm no. This is her grandmother not Rose's and she doesn't have totake her as well.

TwistedAce · 05/11/2022 00:06

BaffledShopper · 27/10/2022 16:30

YANBU but your mother-in-law is. She should take both girls on the trips in future.

Umm no. This is her grandmother not Rose's and she doesn't have to take her as well.

Tiredtiredtired37 · 05/11/2022 00:09

Why should she?? Rose is of no relation to her.

cpatriotfan · 05/11/2022 08:57

This is the hill you must die on, Sir!!! You have to make sure that your wife understands that under no circumstances is this even up for discussion!! Iris will continue going on these trips with her grandmother unaccompanied by Rose. Your first responsibility in this world is to Iris's health and welfare, your wife and Rose come second. The writing is on the wall, you'll lose your daughter if you give in to the demands of a 13 yr old and her enabler! She's a spoiled brat that violated your daughter's privacy, that's the only thing that needs to be addressed! Good luck...

Jimzle · 06/11/2022 08:50

Your wife needs to take a seat on this one. She has no right prioritizing her daughter's jealousy over your daughter's family tradition she once shared with her late mother.

The fact your wife even had this idea to abolish this tradition when she herself is a mother is concerning. Ask her if she would want her daughter treated in such a way if she died.

mamabear715 · 06/11/2022 08:53

Rose needs to grow up.

mycatisannoying · 06/11/2022 09:23

BaffledShopper · 27/10/2022 16:30

YANBU but your mother-in-law is. She should take both girls on the trips in future.

Nonsense. Why should she? The other girl is nothing to do with her.
You can't force the extended family model on extended family members.

OP, it would be a massive mistake to stop your daughter's trips with her grandmother. I can only imagine the future resentment you'd be causing for yourself.

Pumpkinspicemadre · 06/11/2022 09:29

It’s so lovely that your DD who has lost her mum, has this wonderful experience with her maternal grandma. And wonderful for her grandma who lost her own daughter, to enjoy this with DGD. Stopping that should NEVER be an option. You’re wife is being very unreasonable to suggest it to avoid her teenage daughter being… upset by gifts? Gifts from her deceased mums mum? Your stepdaughter I’m sure is lovely but this is a lesson in life and the different ups and downs it has. Your daughter lost her mum… and now might need to lose out on this trip to save another’s feelings about gifts? What about your daughters feelings…? She clearly enjoys these trips that happen yearly (not monthly! Not that it should matter)

If I was looking down on this I’d want you to tell your wife to pipe it and have a word with her kid. I don’t like children being treated differently in the same home but this is entirely different.

DD deserves this time with her GM. No one should be trying to get in the way of that. How awful of her step mum to suggest that - I’m sorry it’s not on.

pinheadlarry · 02/12/2022 19:57

Your wife is a selfish cow and thats probably why her daughter is acting do entitled
You need to have your daughters back

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