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Not forcing my daughter to share her bedroom or stop going out to eat?

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tamarvin · 25/10/2022 18:53

Right now my sister, her husband, and their three kids (14f, 10m, 5m) are staying with me and my family temporarily while they are waiting on council housing. I have two kids (13f and 11m).

So I have four bedrooms in my house. The first is my own. The second one is my daughters bedroom. The third is my son's bedroom. The last bedroom is the guest room where my sister and her husband are sleeping.

From the first night they were here my son has wanted his 10 year old cousin to sleep in his room. Those two get along very well and enjoy each others company. So we set up my 14 year old niece and my 5 year old nephew in the lounge downstairs. My 5 year old nephew is apparently having a lot of anxiety problem so most of the time he sleeps in the guestroom with his parents.

My niece is unhappy with this arrangement because she feel likes she gets no privacy (downstairs is open plan). To solve this my sister wants me to force my daughter to share her bedroom with my niece. My daughter however is not as close with my niece as the boys are with each other. My daughter and niece have very different personalities. My niece can be loud and intimidating and my daughter on the other hand is very soft spoken. Having so many other people in the house has already been making her feel stressed and overwhelmed. All three boys being younger and energetic can make things feel chaotic. I don't want to force her to give up her only private area to retreat to for peace and quiet.

I told my sister that we can try to add a privacy curtain to a corner of the lounge for her daughter. My sister said that wouldn't help at all because anyone could just barge in. She says that a teenage girl should be able to have access to a lockable room especially in a house full of mostly boys. She doesn't see any issue with the girls sharing even though I told her my concerns. She thinks it would be a good opportunity for them to bond.

Another issue we've run into involved a weekly dinner I do with my kids. So far we've had no issues with regular dinner as we all contribute to the groceries and all the adults take turn cooking. I however would get my takeaway for my kids once a week. I let my them take turns each week to choose what they want. It's a treat at the end of the week that they both look forward too. My sister and her husband have a tight budget so they cannot afford to buy takeaway regularly. While I am a better off financially paying for everyone every week is not feasible as it is already expensive and it would cost double.

I thought that eating takeaway in front of them at home would be cruel though. I've had a little discussion about it with my kids and told them that while my sister and her family are staying with us we would be having our weekly dinner out instead of doing takeaway and eating at home. I thought this was a fair compromise.

My sister did not agree. She says it's obvious that we are going out to eat good food since we leave before dinner and when we come back home we don't eat anything. While my kids won't brag about going out to eat they will answer honestly when my niece or nephews ask where we went. They then end up feeling bad and my sister says they wouldn't feel bad if I just said no to my kids and that it wouldn't hurt my kids to not go out as often. I will also add that on a selfish note I don't want to stop taking them out to eat because its the only time I get to have with just the three of us alone now.

OP posts:
maddy68 · 25/10/2022 19:48

I actually think I would put your niece in her bedroom. It's only for a short while a teenage girl does need privacy

Just do without the takeaways for the short term. It's no big deal and something to look forward to when they go

I think you are making more out of this than need be. It's because you have had your home and routine invaded

Lunde · 25/10/2022 19:50

maddy68 · 25/10/2022 19:48

I actually think I would put your niece in her bedroom. It's only for a short while a teenage girl does need privacy

Just do without the takeaways for the short term. It's no big deal and something to look forward to when they go

I think you are making more out of this than need be. It's because you have had your home and routine invaded

you think a year is a short time?

whumpthereitis · 25/10/2022 19:52

maddy68 · 25/10/2022 19:48

I actually think I would put your niece in her bedroom. It's only for a short while a teenage girl does need privacy

Just do without the takeaways for the short term. It's no big deal and something to look forward to when they go

I think you are making more out of this than need be. It's because you have had your home and routine invaded

It is a big deal though, the sharing of the room and the giving up their family time tradition.

But sure, OP needs to be ‘nice’ to the family she’s already going over and above for. Who cares if her own kids are miserable as a result?

Awesomeo · 25/10/2022 19:52

SalmonEile · 25/10/2022 19:04

Your sister and husband give their daughter their room and take the sitting room themselves ?

This is what I thought.

GlassesAndGadgets · 25/10/2022 19:52

Your sister and her husband should take the living room and let their DD sleep in the guest room. No way should your DD be forced to share her room. Yes, sometimes siblings share a room, but that's not the situation here, is it?

It's one thing to have to share a room because you have a sibling and a 2-bed house is all your parents can afford. It's a completely different thing to have to share a room because someone else is now living in your house.

XanaduKira · 25/10/2022 19:52

tamarvin · 25/10/2022 19:47

@Brokendaughter

I agreed they could stay for a year at most. They've been here for 4 months, so 8 months left.

I am honestly a little worried about Christmas. I didn't think about it before they came to live with us. I've been thinking about us maybe going on a trip to visit my late wife's parents and have my kids open their presents there.

I agree - if you've somewhere to go, it's probably a good idea to get away at Christmas.

FWIW, I agree with the others that you've been a saint in letting them stay and your sister sounds like a right CF.

Twilight7777 · 25/10/2022 19:52

As others have said, I think by offering your sister and her family a place to stay means under the council they are not classes as homeless, and you may not necessarily be helping them by doing that

gamerchick · 25/10/2022 19:53

maddy68 · 25/10/2022 19:48

I actually think I would put your niece in her bedroom. It's only for a short while a teenage girl does need privacy

Just do without the takeaways for the short term. It's no big deal and something to look forward to when they go

I think you are making more out of this than need be. It's because you have had your home and routine invaded

You take them in then.

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 25/10/2022 19:53

Sod that! Tell your cf sister she needs to pipe down. She doesn't get to dictate what you do with your bedrooms when you have been kind enough to put her up

Beachbreak2411 · 25/10/2022 19:54

I don’t know about your council; but where I live your arrangement wouldn’t class them as homeless so they will not be a priority. Here you would have to give them a date to be out by; and stick to it. Then they’ll need to go into emergency accommodation and then temporary. Then rehomed x

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 25/10/2022 19:54

And government them a letter to take to the council saying you want them out in the next 2 months

DPotter · 25/10/2022 19:54

I think you might need to seek independent advice about this situation.

As I understand (and I'm no expert), but I don't think your sister's family would be considered homeless as they are living with family. Could you check with your local Citizen's Advice ?

getting a council / housing association house can take years.

I appreciate you are in a difficult position, as this is your sister and her family, but I think you are seeing the end of the honeymoon period with her staying with you. Bedroom allocation, different family routines, different parenting styles - that's a lot to work through for a year. I would start to prepare yourself for a long cold hard talk with your sister about how she sees this panning out.

Do it before Christmas.

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 25/10/2022 19:54

*give

1dontunderstand · 25/10/2022 19:55

I think going away for Christmas so they can have the house to themselves is a wonderful idea, very kind of you.

how old is your dd? If her only ‘safe’ space is her room, then she should not be made to share. Your family knew the sleeping arrangements when they moved in and if they done like it they can move out again. What will happen if your ds and dn fall out and don’t want to share?

I wouldn’t want to give up my special time with my children, it’s tough that your sister can’t take her kids out too, but why should yours suffer?

DillyDilly · 25/10/2022 19:55

Your sister is taking advantage of you. It sounds like your daughter has enough upset already with the death of her Mum. Do not let your niece share your DD’s room. If you go away at Christmas, make sure your DD’s room is locked or your niece could well move in.
What will happen at the end of the 12 month if your sister hasn’t found somewhere else to live ?

Your priority is your children, not your sister and her family. Do whatever you need to do to protect them.

Reallyreallyborednow · 25/10/2022 19:56

I’m pretty sure you are also now considered legally overcrowded, especially if your home is where they are registered as residents in. If you want them out just use that as an excuse

if o/p owns I don’t think that’s applicable. If you own your home you can have as many people as you want there, there’s no legal limit. And to be fair it’s not even overcrowded by council standards, there’s enough room for the adults and the kids to share same sex bedrooms.

what is “legal overcrowding” anyway? How many people would that be in a 4 bed house?

TwiggletLover · 25/10/2022 19:57

Your sister is being awful. Even more so having read the comment about your late wife. Your daughter needs her space regardless but even more so given that she has lost her mother. I think you are being very optimistic that it will only be a year

MysteryBelle · 25/10/2022 19:58

You are totally in the right. You are letting these ungrateful relatives stay in your home and take over most of it. But they demand more. The 14 year old niece is fine downstairs, if her parents don’t like it, they need to get out and find their own place to live. In fact, I’d tell them to immediately find something else and leave. You’ve bent over backwards for them, they are freeloaders.

GoldenCupidon · 25/10/2022 19:58

Your poor kids have already lost your late wife, this must be another huge upheaval. Absolutely keep your kids in their own rooms at all costs. If your sister doesn't like it she is free to leave at any time.

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 25/10/2022 20:00

Sadly at 14 your Bruce also seems to take after her mom

VickyEadieofThigh · 25/10/2022 20:00

Plaidparty · 25/10/2022 19:44

Don’t cause any (more) tension between you and your kids for your sister.

if you made me as a teenager share with someone I didn’t get on with for a year, I would never forgive you. You’ll lose trust and never get it back.

also - I wouldn’t be stopping going out to eat. You are already compromising. you shouldn’t be expected to give up your space and every detail of your life to please everyone.

you are a saint - I don’t think I’d last a week!

When I was aged 17, my mother allowed my older brother's same age girlfriend to move into our house. This involved a shuffle round, wherein the bedroom I'd had to myself for less than a year (after a lifetime of sharing with first the older brother, then the younger one) was given to my younger brother (then 8), my older brother went into the lounge and I had to share my brothers' bedroom with this girl I had never met before.

This lasted about 2 months. I can honestly say - almost 50 years later - that I have never got over the resentment I felt about this.

OP - even if you tolerate them being in your house for the year you promised - what happens when the year elds and there is no council house for them?

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 25/10/2022 20:00

Niece, not Bruce

tamarvin · 25/10/2022 20:00

@DillyDilly I made it very clear to my sister and her husband that they will have to leave after a year. If there's any problems with that I suppose I will have to go through the eviction process.

OP posts:
thelobsterquadrille · 25/10/2022 20:01

tamarvin · 25/10/2022 20:00

@DillyDilly I made it very clear to my sister and her husband that they will have to leave after a year. If there's any problems with that I suppose I will have to go through the eviction process.

Surely you can't evict them when they're not tenants? Do you have a contract, deposit and rent being paid?

I know you were being kind but I think you've made a huge mistake here.

twoandone · 25/10/2022 20:02

tamarvin · 25/10/2022 19:33

@pictish we made an agreement that they can stay for one year. They have been here for 4 months now.

What will you do after a year? I feel like you'll be stuck with them forever

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