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Not forcing my daughter to share her bedroom or stop going out to eat?

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tamarvin · 25/10/2022 18:53

Right now my sister, her husband, and their three kids (14f, 10m, 5m) are staying with me and my family temporarily while they are waiting on council housing. I have two kids (13f and 11m).

So I have four bedrooms in my house. The first is my own. The second one is my daughters bedroom. The third is my son's bedroom. The last bedroom is the guest room where my sister and her husband are sleeping.

From the first night they were here my son has wanted his 10 year old cousin to sleep in his room. Those two get along very well and enjoy each others company. So we set up my 14 year old niece and my 5 year old nephew in the lounge downstairs. My 5 year old nephew is apparently having a lot of anxiety problem so most of the time he sleeps in the guestroom with his parents.

My niece is unhappy with this arrangement because she feel likes she gets no privacy (downstairs is open plan). To solve this my sister wants me to force my daughter to share her bedroom with my niece. My daughter however is not as close with my niece as the boys are with each other. My daughter and niece have very different personalities. My niece can be loud and intimidating and my daughter on the other hand is very soft spoken. Having so many other people in the house has already been making her feel stressed and overwhelmed. All three boys being younger and energetic can make things feel chaotic. I don't want to force her to give up her only private area to retreat to for peace and quiet.

I told my sister that we can try to add a privacy curtain to a corner of the lounge for her daughter. My sister said that wouldn't help at all because anyone could just barge in. She says that a teenage girl should be able to have access to a lockable room especially in a house full of mostly boys. She doesn't see any issue with the girls sharing even though I told her my concerns. She thinks it would be a good opportunity for them to bond.

Another issue we've run into involved a weekly dinner I do with my kids. So far we've had no issues with regular dinner as we all contribute to the groceries and all the adults take turn cooking. I however would get my takeaway for my kids once a week. I let my them take turns each week to choose what they want. It's a treat at the end of the week that they both look forward too. My sister and her husband have a tight budget so they cannot afford to buy takeaway regularly. While I am a better off financially paying for everyone every week is not feasible as it is already expensive and it would cost double.

I thought that eating takeaway in front of them at home would be cruel though. I've had a little discussion about it with my kids and told them that while my sister and her family are staying with us we would be having our weekly dinner out instead of doing takeaway and eating at home. I thought this was a fair compromise.

My sister did not agree. She says it's obvious that we are going out to eat good food since we leave before dinner and when we come back home we don't eat anything. While my kids won't brag about going out to eat they will answer honestly when my niece or nephews ask where we went. They then end up feeling bad and my sister says they wouldn't feel bad if I just said no to my kids and that it wouldn't hurt my kids to not go out as often. I will also add that on a selfish note I don't want to stop taking them out to eat because its the only time I get to have with just the three of us alone now.

OP posts:
KarmaStar · 25/10/2022 19:08

Wow she's very entitled!
Don't allow her dd into your dd bedroom it's hers and she has the right to have a haven to retreat to.
As for the meals out,well tough,tbh,you're being considerate enough going out,you should not stop your time out with your dc,you've all given up enough as it is.
She could make pizzas with her dc and make it their together time whilst you are out.
You appear to be a lovely sister,stick to your guns and your dc will be happier knowing mum is going to have their backs so to speak.
Hopefully they will be gone soon ,in the mean time,don't let your very selfish sister persuade you to do anything you and your dc are not 100% happy about.
Good luck.💐💐🌈

Darbs76 · 25/10/2022 19:08

No you are not being unreasonable, at all. Your sister needs to understand they are guests in your home, it’s a huge ask to put people up for an indefinite period. I wouldn’t force my DD to share either. She’s the same age and very introverted. She would hate it. Your sister needs to consider renting a house, why has she moved in with you? Is it because she’s genuinely homeless or is she intentionally homeless and staying with you to secure a council home? I’m afraid I’d be telling her to do one about the meal thing. Sorry but that’s life, you are being more than considerate not eating a takeaway in front of her but to expect you not to go out is too much. I couldn’t cope with her expectations

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 25/10/2022 19:08

Are they classed as homeless atm?

PeekabooAtTheZoo · 25/10/2022 19:09

You are doing them a massive favour and they are already trying to push you around. If you let niece move into daughter’s bedroom, as the oldest she will dominate the space, make decisions and complain to mummy and daddy when she wants her own way. I predict your daughter will quickly find herself on the sofa.

And what you have done with eating out is also reasonable. Don’t DSis’s kids know that other people have more than them? She is doing them no favours raising them with an entitled victim mentality. If she wants to dictate what happens, she can be an adult, take responsibility for the financial cost of having kids, and house and feed them herself.

Aquamarine1029 · 25/10/2022 19:09

Your sister is an ungrateful bitch and I wouldn't give an inch. How dare she try to dictate what you do in your home and with your kids? I'd be showing her arse the door.

2bazookas · 25/10/2022 19:09

what a bunch of entitled CFs!!!

Your daughters room should be her private domain, not forced to share.

Teenage niece does have access to a lockable room, the bathroom. Or, she can ask her parents for a half hour privacy in the guest room. The 5 yr old should be sharing their room anyway.

You have every right to private time out with your kids doing and eating what the hell you like. None of your sisters business.

CrochetIsCool · 25/10/2022 19:10

Maybe your sister and her DH could sleep in the living room and let their daughter have the guest room. Regarding eating out once a week, or indeed any other activities, you should feel free to do what you want and not feel both families have to do everything together!

PeekAtYou · 25/10/2022 19:10

I think that you need a chat about the housing.
As your sister has a roof over her head, she will be lower priority than someone in temporary accommodation meaning that you could be housing them for years. That's unfair on all of the kids.
I wouldn't make my dd share either. This could result in worsening the relationship rather than bonding them.

1Dandelion1 · 25/10/2022 19:10

SalmonEile · 25/10/2022 19:04

Your sister and husband give their daughter their room and take the sitting room themselves ?

This, you are already going above and beyond. Get a privacy curtain and put it up for them, their daughter can share with her little brother.

Might encourage them to move out quicker.

womanofthemoon · 25/10/2022 19:10

Your sister and DH should sleep downstairs and their DD upstairs in the room they have now.

Needmorelego · 25/10/2022 19:11

Either...
The girls share. It's just temporary. They are cousins - they would learn to live with it.
You share with your daughter, niece gets your room.
Sister and husband sleep in the living room, niece in the guest room.
The meal out thing just sounds childish. Yes your kids enjoy it but they can survive without it for a while surely. 13 and 11 is old enough to be sat down and talked to and told a few things will need to be done differently while their cousins are there. You can do other (cheaper) treats that could include the cousins and your sister and husband could contribute too - like pizza night with the pizzas from Iceland or something.

Autumflower · 25/10/2022 19:11

While they live with you they are housed ,no rush for accommodation.not a priority they have a roof over their head .
are they paying half the bills gas electricity water ect.
the more you give the more people expect.
it’s time the family moved on ,I can your relationship with your sister completely breaking down ,she is not great full for your sacrifice,she is resentful you are not doing more

ElrondsEars · 25/10/2022 19:12

I would carry on as you are, OP - why shouldn’t you and your kids have some time out alone, together?

Are your sister and her OH paying their way in any sense whilst with you? They must surely be saving a lot by not paying for housing / utilities, etc. if not?

hattie43 · 25/10/2022 19:12

I'd worry about how permanent this arrangement is . No way would I have had another family moving in sidelining my own kids . I hope it works for you but I see nothing but friction ahead

BeautifulElephant · 25/10/2022 19:12

Your house your rules.

DeireadhFomhair · 25/10/2022 19:12

It depends on how long it is. If it's only a couple of weeks then I'd give up the take away/ dinner out, but if it's any longer keep going at it's your routine.
Re the bedroom- I agree with others, suggest your sister gives the bedroom to her children.

Reallyreallyborednow · 25/10/2022 19:15

Surely it’s less intrusive if the girls share?

must be a pita to have a 14 year old girl living in communal areas. What if someone wants to stay up and watch tv? Get up and make a snack?

are there toilet facilities downstairs?

Soubriquet · 25/10/2022 19:15

Needmorelego · 25/10/2022 19:11

Either...
The girls share. It's just temporary. They are cousins - they would learn to live with it.
You share with your daughter, niece gets your room.
Sister and husband sleep in the living room, niece in the guest room.
The meal out thing just sounds childish. Yes your kids enjoy it but they can survive without it for a while surely. 13 and 11 is old enough to be sat down and talked to and told a few things will need to be done differently while their cousins are there. You can do other (cheaper) treats that could include the cousins and your sister and husband could contribute too - like pizza night with the pizzas from Iceland or something.

The OP is already giving up her house. Why should she have to give up the weekly treat with her own children?

pictish · 25/10/2022 19:19

How long is she expected to be there for? How long has she been there already?
This cannot work longer term.

Fwiw I can see it from both points of view. Not a great set up is it, the haves and the have-nots in the same house, with kids the same age.

viques · 25/10/2022 19:19

Presumably they are not paying you any rent so surely should be able to afford to pay for a takeaway for their family once a week? If they can’t afford that they are going to have huge problems paying rent, insurance, utility bills and council tax when they get their council property.

And no, teenage girls do not need access to a lockable room!

ANGIEPANGY77 · 25/10/2022 19:23

Simply put, your house your rules.

Needmorelego · 25/10/2022 19:23

@Soubriquet just to be nice I suppose. It's not the niece and nephews fault. They have no say over their lives and this living situation must suck for them - so treating them to some pizzas from Iceland once a week isn't such a bad thing to do.

Goldbar · 25/10/2022 19:23

I'm sorry but I think the girls should share. It's not ideal but I wouldn't be having a teenage girl sleeping downstairs in the communal areas mostly by herself (since 5yo generally sleeps with his parents) while everyone else is upstairs. In fact, there's no need for anyone to sleep in the lounge - your daughter and niece share, son and older nephew share and 5yo is in with his parents. It seems to me a much better arrangement to have everyone in bedrooms with some privacy and no bedding/sleeping bodies in the lounge. I'd offer your DD some inducement to make it up to her and let your sister know that the arrangement needs to be time-limited.

On the weekly dinner, YANBU - your sister has no right to try to curtail your family treats and she's very lucky to have you to help as much as you're doing.

nannync · 25/10/2022 19:23

@Needmorelego no! The OP is doing them a HUGE favour. You suggesting she give up her room and inconvenience her own children, giving up their little routine treat is absurd.

Op, you need to gently remind your sister of this. She's being totally unreasonable.
If they aren't happy the kids and your sister can sleep in the guest room and the husband can sleep on the couch. Or they can all leave.

I'm presuming you know the wait for council housing, even in overcrowded situations is years and years? If they went into emergency accommodation their wait would be shorter.

Soubriquet · 25/10/2022 19:24

Needmorelego · 25/10/2022 19:23

@Soubriquet just to be nice I suppose. It's not the niece and nephews fault. They have no say over their lives and this living situation must suck for them - so treating them to some pizzas from Iceland once a week isn't such a bad thing to do.

Yeah just be nice. How about the fact a teenage girl should be able to come home from school and relax. Especially if she’s a quiet one

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