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Not forcing my daughter to share her bedroom or stop going out to eat?

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tamarvin · 25/10/2022 18:53

Right now my sister, her husband, and their three kids (14f, 10m, 5m) are staying with me and my family temporarily while they are waiting on council housing. I have two kids (13f and 11m).

So I have four bedrooms in my house. The first is my own. The second one is my daughters bedroom. The third is my son's bedroom. The last bedroom is the guest room where my sister and her husband are sleeping.

From the first night they were here my son has wanted his 10 year old cousin to sleep in his room. Those two get along very well and enjoy each others company. So we set up my 14 year old niece and my 5 year old nephew in the lounge downstairs. My 5 year old nephew is apparently having a lot of anxiety problem so most of the time he sleeps in the guestroom with his parents.

My niece is unhappy with this arrangement because she feel likes she gets no privacy (downstairs is open plan). To solve this my sister wants me to force my daughter to share her bedroom with my niece. My daughter however is not as close with my niece as the boys are with each other. My daughter and niece have very different personalities. My niece can be loud and intimidating and my daughter on the other hand is very soft spoken. Having so many other people in the house has already been making her feel stressed and overwhelmed. All three boys being younger and energetic can make things feel chaotic. I don't want to force her to give up her only private area to retreat to for peace and quiet.

I told my sister that we can try to add a privacy curtain to a corner of the lounge for her daughter. My sister said that wouldn't help at all because anyone could just barge in. She says that a teenage girl should be able to have access to a lockable room especially in a house full of mostly boys. She doesn't see any issue with the girls sharing even though I told her my concerns. She thinks it would be a good opportunity for them to bond.

Another issue we've run into involved a weekly dinner I do with my kids. So far we've had no issues with regular dinner as we all contribute to the groceries and all the adults take turn cooking. I however would get my takeaway for my kids once a week. I let my them take turns each week to choose what they want. It's a treat at the end of the week that they both look forward too. My sister and her husband have a tight budget so they cannot afford to buy takeaway regularly. While I am a better off financially paying for everyone every week is not feasible as it is already expensive and it would cost double.

I thought that eating takeaway in front of them at home would be cruel though. I've had a little discussion about it with my kids and told them that while my sister and her family are staying with us we would be having our weekly dinner out instead of doing takeaway and eating at home. I thought this was a fair compromise.

My sister did not agree. She says it's obvious that we are going out to eat good food since we leave before dinner and when we come back home we don't eat anything. While my kids won't brag about going out to eat they will answer honestly when my niece or nephews ask where we went. They then end up feeling bad and my sister says they wouldn't feel bad if I just said no to my kids and that it wouldn't hurt my kids to not go out as often. I will also add that on a selfish note I don't want to stop taking them out to eat because its the only time I get to have with just the three of us alone now.

OP posts:
Vikinga · 25/10/2022 19:24

Your sister is a bloody entitled cow. Tell her she doesn't get to decide what happens in your house. You've let a family of 5 stay at your house really inconveniencing you and your kids.

How much longer is she staying??

Worthyornot · 25/10/2022 19:24

They can't afford to be choosy in their situation and should be so grateful for a roof over their head. Im sure it's a strain on your kids as well. Tell your sister she needs an attitude adjustment because you are doing her a massive favor.

DoubleGauze · 25/10/2022 19:26

Are you prepared to live like this for around 2 years op? It's very likely it could be even longer.

bumblefeline · 25/10/2022 19:27

I'd thrown them all out, then they would have to be housed, they will be there forever at this rate. Don't let your dd give up her room and don't stop the meal out.

CharlotteStreet · 25/10/2022 19:27

We had a similar scenario when I was about 14. I didn't enjoy sharing with my cousin (I'd never even met her before - the family were relocating from overseas) but it never occurred to me that not sharing would have been an option so we just got on with it.

So I think YABU about the room (lockable though? Ha ha).

As for the eating out though, I'd tell your sister it's non-negotiable and your point about it being your only family time together is more than valid on its own.

gamerchick · 25/10/2022 19:29

Say these words.

"I'm sorry you don't feel comfortable with the set up here, I would understand if you want to leave for somewhere that is"

Dont be dictated too in your own house.

crowsfeet57 · 25/10/2022 19:29

I'd be concerned that your accommodating them will slow down the council housing allocation. Surely they are homeless and should be stating this

The council will have them down as homeless and sofa surfing. Making them street homeless at this stage will just lead to them being offered temporary accommodation while they wait, which is seldom nice.

Needmorelego · 25/10/2022 19:29

@Soubriquet it's not a perfect situation at all.
Yes it isn't fair to the OPs daughter. It isn't fair to the niece either.
Poor things (both girls - plus the boys).

Buttons294749 · 25/10/2022 19:30

Can DN sleep in your room?

Buttons294749 · 25/10/2022 19:30

(With you)

MayFlower22 · 25/10/2022 19:30

Gosh this is so bad I thought it was a reverse. Why would you treat your neice so badly? Why is your dd more deserving because her parents aren't struggling at the moment. Sharing will be good for your daughter , teach her to think about others.

Blendiful · 25/10/2022 19:31

I think she is being cheeky too, she is getting a huge favour from you staying. DN and 5yo should be given the room sister and DP are staying in and they can sleep downstairs, 5yo can join them there if he wishes. That's the solution.

IncompleteSenten · 25/10/2022 19:31

I'd tell her that you are offering what you are offering and if that doesn't suit her then you can write an eviction letter that she can take to the council/housing association to tell them they will be homeless on X date.

This makes them a higher priority than just being on the list and waiting.

Brokendaughter · 25/10/2022 19:32

As long as they are living with you they will be right at the bottom of the housing list & won't get housing in most areas of the country.

Neither of your children should be made to give up their space, when they have already lost the rest of the house as a space that used to be their private home to the point they can't even feel comfortable having a takeaway in their own house.

If your son is happy sharing, then that's fine.
Your daughter isn't & she definitely doesn't need her older cousin taking over her space.

I think you need to clarify how long this is going to go on.
How is Christmas going to work with them there?

MacarenaMacarena · 25/10/2022 19:32

Are neither of the adults working? Without paying rent, they'll have more spare money than you do to take their children out for their own lithe treat once a week. Or do they both have a reason they are unable to earn any money at all?

tamarvin · 25/10/2022 19:33

@pictish we made an agreement that they can stay for one year. They have been here for 4 months now.

OP posts:
ANiceBigCupOfTea · 25/10/2022 19:33

I think your sister needs to grow the heck up.
You are doing them a massive favour.
I agree with your sister and BiL taking the downstairs - 5yo DN can either go in with the other boys or move with them so your niece can have the lockable room. The last thing you want to teach your DD is that her boundaries don't matter.
With the takeaway/dinner - again, she needs to grow up. Fair enough I understand it can't be nice not being able to stretch to that for her kids but still.

Tfif133 · 25/10/2022 19:33

Midnights · 25/10/2022 19:02

Your sister sounds like a CF in this post! Take your kids for their weekly meal, they shouldn't miss out.

Your daughter should definitely not be forced to share a room - it's her only peace and quiet in this hectic sounding household, if anything your sister and her husband should sleep downstairs and offer the spare bedroom to their DC if they're that concerned about it!

This!

you could also say you are giving them your house one night a week so they can enjoy their own family time.

they sound outrageously ungrateful!

Soubriquet · 25/10/2022 19:34

tamarvin · 25/10/2022 19:33

@pictish we made an agreement that they can stay for one year. They have been here for 4 months now.

You are an angel. I certainly couldn’t manage that.

I had to have my Nan stay with me a for a few
weeks after a nasty fall, and that was hard enough.

kitcat15 · 25/10/2022 19:35

tamarvin · 25/10/2022 19:33

@pictish we made an agreement that they can stay for one year. They have been here for 4 months now.

So unmake the agreement….hey sis, it’s not working….simple

GoldenCupidon · 25/10/2022 19:35

I think either the 5 yo goes in with his parents upstairs or downstairs, the niece can then have her own room if her parents feel so strongly about it.

don't give up going out for dinner, you're allowed to have different traditions and this sounds like a nice one. If they don't want to do christmas presents are you not going to be allowed to either?

yerdaindicatesonbends · 25/10/2022 19:36

Parents should offer to sleep in the living room if it’s such a concern I would say. And I must imagine that that is a rubbish situation for your niece but you and your family have already made a lot of changes and are being very accommodating.

You are currently living under one roof but are still two families operating independently so it seems unfair for you to not be able to carry on with your family activities.

GoldenCupidon · 25/10/2022 19:36

MayFlower22 · 25/10/2022 19:30

Gosh this is so bad I thought it was a reverse. Why would you treat your neice so badly? Why is your dd more deserving because her parents aren't struggling at the moment. Sharing will be good for your daughter , teach her to think about others.

This is a joke post, right.

UrslaB · 25/10/2022 19:36

You are doing your sister a favour OP, letting her and her family live with you. You have made a decision for your daughter's welfare because you believe she would be intimidated by sharing with her cousin who she is not close to and whose personality clashes with her own. You made the right choice standing up for your DD.

The teenage niece has a bathroom to change clothes in and the open plan living room is just for sleeping in. Your sister is being unrealistic. The idea a teenage girl 'needs' a room with a lock is ridiculous. This is a 'want' and a luxury which her mother is not in a position to provide yet until their own council house becomes available. Your sister is being a 'picky beggar' who thinks she is entitled to make demands while living in your home on your sufferance. Compromising your daughter's privacy is not a solution, it is a red line that you have drawn.

As to the meals out. I think you came to a rational compromise that suits your financial position while trying not to rub it in your sister and her kids faces taht you are able to afford take away/restaurant food. You are giving up your and your kids privacy to host your sister and her family. The fact that you may want some alone time out of the house with your kids while getting a meal is your business and your sister is being petty and selfish trying to deprive you and your kids of that time. When you are out she gets some private time with her own kids which I would have seen as a positive too. You don't owe her anything, you have already given her more than many others would with a roof over her and her kids heads.

youagainomg · 25/10/2022 19:36

The parents should be in the living room and the 14 and 5 year old could of shared the guest room. Do not kick your daughter out of her room.

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