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Wouldn’t it be great if we could all settle the fuck down now

248 replies

AnyFucker · 24/10/2022 17:09

…and give this government a chance to sort out this huge bastard mess

We are where we are. Nothing can change it. We are not having a general election for at least 2 years. Yes, there have been some monumental fuck ups whipped up by the media so that we don’t know our arse from our elbow

It’s a sound bite, yes but it’s true that what we need now is stability

I am not a Tory by nature. I have been appalled by many things over the last few months and years.

We are on our knees is so many ways. Constant agitation and chaos just prolongs it. There is no credible opposition in my view.

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YellowAndGreenToBeSeen · 24/10/2022 19:59

User135644 · 24/10/2022 19:46

Yes, Starmer exudes competence but it's the Tories that are the natural party of government.

Labour have no experience. Plus Sunak will bring a bit more experience back to the front benches after the Truss experiment.

Putting Labour in charge now would be like sending the England under 21s to play at the World Cup instead of the senior team, yet people still criticise the Tories and want Labour, It's laughable. We need the Tories right now.

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We need the party that got us into this mess?!
Labour have no experience of Government?!

People are aware that the Tories have been in power for 12 years and are so torn apart by infighting that we’ve had 4 PM’s in 6 years and 3 since 2019?!

Are people not watching the news, reading the papers or engaging with journos and pundits on Twitter?

Fuck my old boots. Sideways.

Bretonbear · 24/10/2022 19:59

I think telling people to settle down like this is a blatant display of not being able to emphasise with many people who are struggling due to the actions of the Tories. 12 years of them. And no, despite you telling me to settle down, I'll pass on that, thanks.

CPL593H · 24/10/2022 19:59

perseverence · 24/10/2022 19:11

A week (let alone twenty four hours) is a long time in politics kid.

Just you wait.

General Election will be called in twenty four hours.

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This will not happen. There won't be a GE in 24 hours because the only people who can call it are the Tories and they won't because they know they would lose.

Protest, protest is good, but nonsensical statements are just that.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 24/10/2022 20:02

I think there’s a huge appetite for a general election. People have had enough of this shitshow.

MangosteenSoda · 24/10/2022 20:02

I get in-fucking-furiated by people saying there’s no real/credible opposition.

I have no bloody idea what this is meant to mean. There’s ALWAYS an opposition. You either agree with their policies or you do not. Don’t pretend to not be a fully committed, blue blood Tory on the basis there’s ‘no opposition’. There is. You don’t like their policies because you are a Tory through and through. You would rather have whatever random Tory right leaning weirdo than vote Labour because you identify with right of the spectrum politics. Just own your position.

I have only ever voted Lib Dem or Green and will probably vote Labour next time, but I don’t rule out voting for any party in the future. Each election cycle is different and you must be an incredibly unimaginative individual if you cannot conceive that many many different people are capable of taking on difficult roles. The ‘only this person/that person’ can do it mentality is bullshit. Doubly so because that usually translates to ‘someone I have heard of’, ‘someone who looks like me’, ‘someone who is willing to focus on the lowest common denominator because they care for nothing other than their personal success’.

Bretonbear · 24/10/2022 20:02

Bretonbear · 24/10/2022 19:59

I think telling people to settle down like this is a blatant display of not being able to emphasise with many people who are struggling due to the actions of the Tories. 12 years of them. And no, despite you telling me to settle down, I'll pass on that, thanks.

*show empathy not emphasise!!!

Livelovebehappy · 24/10/2022 20:03

Worriedddd · 24/10/2022 19:53

How's he going to sort it out in 6 months?!!! The economy is fucked , we printed too much money there's a war and we aren't energy independent. The bills need paying, our government needs to service the national debt at higher interest levels leaving less money for public spending. They have to keep interest rates at a parity with the US or inflation gets worse and sterling becomes toilet paper. No party can fix this Labour or Tory short-term it's going to be horrible. It's better the government are truthful about the situation.

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I didn’t say he would sort it out in 6 months. I said the last few months would be a distant memory in 6 months. People will be focusing on how we sort out the cost of living crisis going forward, not looking back to what they think should have been done. And the government are being truthful - Sunak has said it’s going to be a difficult time for all of us. He’s not sugar coated anything, which was why Truss got in last time, because she thought she could sort it all out as soon as she walked into no 10. I wish Labour would sort themselves out and become a credible alternative. It’s not healthy to have no option but the one party.

Barbie222 · 24/10/2022 20:04

Settle down to what's coming along this winter? No way, we should be riled up.

Lockheart · 24/10/2022 20:06

I am a floating voter. I have no strong allegiance to any political party and in the past have voted green, labour, lib dem, and conservative (not all at the same time, I hasten to add!).

The conservative party is inherently unstable. The leader is almost irrelevant.

There have been faults in the conservative party a long time that were forced wide open by the Brexit referendum. Cameron was forced into the referendum to try and keep certain segments appeased but all it's done is make the rift wider and wider.

I predict the conservative party will not exist -in its current form - in ten year's time.

Snarkles · 24/10/2022 20:09

I am left leaning by nature but the Labour party does not represent my views. I want us to rejoin the single market and customs union, an escalation of building of council homes, support for PR and electoral reforms, proportionate taxing of energy companies, renationalising utilities and public services, a strengthening of the NHS with more funding, greater environmental protections and a more Scandinavian-style social democratic system.

I really want to vote Green, but that will allow the Tories to unseat the excellent local Labour MP. I will be voting Labour, but in spite of Starmer and his policies, not because of them.

MarshaBradyo · 24/10/2022 20:10

BrightYellowDaffodil · 24/10/2022 19:41

You think the major concern in British politics is that the Labour party will tear itself apart in office. The Labour Party? Do you not watch the news?

I do think the Labour Party would tear itself apart, and I say that as someone who wants to see a decent centre left party. Thing is, they’re two parties in one - the centre left/vaguely Blairite bit, and the hard-left Union-heavy bit. They coexist uncomfortably enough now but add the momentum of power (no pun intended) and they’ll fight like cats in a sack. And that’s before we get to the walking shit show that is Angela Rayner and her bandying about of words like “scum”.

As a PP said, there just not experienced enough at anything other than being in opposition. Right now, I’d rather a party that has some experience of governing even if, to date, they’ve not been that great at it. I’m prepared to give Sunak a chance.

I agree with you their stance on unions is not under real pressure right now, although we’ve had glimmers of it with picket line and Lynch calling out Starmer. In power now with high inflation, and no money to spend and it would very much be tested.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 24/10/2022 20:20

Don’t pretend to not be a fully committed, blue blood Tory on the basis there’s ‘no opposition’. There is. You don’t like their policies because you are a Tory through and through.

That is a crock of shit. I’m not a Tory voter, I’m naturally left leaning and, as I’ve said several times on this thread, I really want to see a decent centre left party.

I genuinely feel that Labour in its current form is not “a decent centre left party” but that doesn’t make me a fucking Tory. Honestly, the tribalism in politics, the “You’re with me or you’re an evil Tory bastard”, and the endless fucking hyperbole just creates ever more division and hatred in a world that already has more than enough of both. Well done to those who perpetuate it, thinking that somehow they’ll educate people out of their “wrong think” this way <slow hand clap>

SoftSheen · 24/10/2022 20:20

'We are where we are' and this is no time for the further disruption of a general election. I think that Rishi is the best option available, for the time being.

FourTeaFallOut · 24/10/2022 20:25

Agreed. You'd think this would be the point where we all hold out breath, cross our fingers and hope the markets settle and the cost of servicing debt starts on a less dramatic trajectory? I don't see how any of that could be achieved by any more drama over the coming months.

Blossomtoes · 24/10/2022 20:27

It’s not healthy to have no option but the one party.

It’s out of touch with reality to think this is the case.

User135644 · 24/10/2022 20:29

BrightYellowDaffodil · 24/10/2022 20:20

Don’t pretend to not be a fully committed, blue blood Tory on the basis there’s ‘no opposition’. There is. You don’t like their policies because you are a Tory through and through.

That is a crock of shit. I’m not a Tory voter, I’m naturally left leaning and, as I’ve said several times on this thread, I really want to see a decent centre left party.

I genuinely feel that Labour in its current form is not “a decent centre left party” but that doesn’t make me a fucking Tory. Honestly, the tribalism in politics, the “You’re with me or you’re an evil Tory bastard”, and the endless fucking hyperbole just creates ever more division and hatred in a world that already has more than enough of both. Well done to those who perpetuate it, thinking that somehow they’ll educate people out of their “wrong think” this way <slow hand clap>

We're not all extremists, it's a vocal minority.

I think the OP is completely right and we should unite behind

FourTeaFallOut · 24/10/2022 20:34

BrightYellowDaffodil · 24/10/2022 20:20

Don’t pretend to not be a fully committed, blue blood Tory on the basis there’s ‘no opposition’. There is. You don’t like their policies because you are a Tory through and through.

That is a crock of shit. I’m not a Tory voter, I’m naturally left leaning and, as I’ve said several times on this thread, I really want to see a decent centre left party.

I genuinely feel that Labour in its current form is not “a decent centre left party” but that doesn’t make me a fucking Tory. Honestly, the tribalism in politics, the “You’re with me or you’re an evil Tory bastard”, and the endless fucking hyperbole just creates ever more division and hatred in a world that already has more than enough of both. Well done to those who perpetuate it, thinking that somehow they’ll educate people out of their “wrong think” this way <slow hand clap>

Yep. All of this.

walkinginsunshinekat · 24/10/2022 20:44

Its not MN or the media or the average joe that has caused all this febrile mess in the markets, the economy or mortgages.

Its the Government, the Tories - they have cause ALL of this, every single last drop.

Yet the solution is to get behind the Tories?

Fuck off.

MangosteenSoda · 24/10/2022 20:45

BrightYellowDaffodil · 24/10/2022 20:20

Don’t pretend to not be a fully committed, blue blood Tory on the basis there’s ‘no opposition’. There is. You don’t like their policies because you are a Tory through and through.

That is a crock of shit. I’m not a Tory voter, I’m naturally left leaning and, as I’ve said several times on this thread, I really want to see a decent centre left party.

I genuinely feel that Labour in its current form is not “a decent centre left party” but that doesn’t make me a fucking Tory. Honestly, the tribalism in politics, the “You’re with me or you’re an evil Tory bastard”, and the endless fucking hyperbole just creates ever more division and hatred in a world that already has more than enough of both. Well done to those who perpetuate it, thinking that somehow they’ll educate people out of their “wrong think” this way <slow hand clap>

You quoted me. The quote you used was my response to the OP’s opening post so I don’t know if/to what extent it applies to what you think/what you have said on this thread.

But if your opinion is that, ‘there’s no real/credible/viable opposition’ then I disagree with you.

My general point was that there is always an opposition and that many voters totally discount the opposition as being viable because they themselves, whether they are willing to admit it or not, just don’t align with the opposition’s policies.

SirCharlesRainier · 24/10/2022 20:49

Fuck that. "No credible opposition" to me has shades of "they're all the same" and "MSM propaganda!" and all the other simplistic nonsense that passes for comment these days. Bollocks. I'm not gonna sit quietly and be nice to these arseholes while they fuck the country up even more.

Pipsquiggle · 24/10/2022 21:05

Ironically the poll results are currently 48/52.

I just wish that the tories would admit what a cluster fuck Brexit was and is and how it was wholly of their own making.

roarfeckingroarr · 24/10/2022 21:15

Hear bloody hear

DoubleDinnurs · 24/10/2022 21:18

Timeforabiscuit · 24/10/2022 17:30

My mil has an equal vote to me, and she was gutted Boris wasn't returning.

I asked what difference she thought Boris would make.

"Well he's got to sort the mortgage rate out!" - he can't, that's the market, and the conservatives are better off this way anyway.

"Well, food is through the roof, and the shelves in aldi are half empty! Butter has doubled!" - Yes, there's a war in Ukraine, price of cattle feed has gone up, so butter and milk has gone up. Europe will get first pick of what's grown and made in the EU, so it's not a surprise we're struggling.

"But we're part of Europe!" No we're not, you voted for brexit!

"Yeah, but that was just for immigration, I didn't think it meant everything else"

DH thought I did very well to be civil.

That's the sort of opinions I've had to listen to of late. We don't know how to critically think in England. The rest of the UK seem better at it and I'm saying that as an English person. I want to emigrate....

Why are people so fecking stupid here? 😫

Bitterbean · 24/10/2022 21:21

User135644 · 24/10/2022 19:26

People need to seriously lay off the Tories. They're trying their best.

What a ridiculous thing to say. If trying their best is actually miserably failing, then they should call a GE. We shouldn't have to put up with this shitshow so as not to hurt their feelings.

walkinginsunshinekat · 24/10/2022 21:27

@User135644
We need to seriously lay off the Tories. They're trying their best

Running the country isn't the same as Schools Sports Day.

This country deserves far better than "trying your best" whatever happened to aspiration?