Wouldn’t it be great if we could all settle the fuck down now

[AnyFucker]

…and give this government a chance to sort out this huge bastard mess

We are where we are. Nothing can change it. We are not having a general election for at least 2 years. Yes, there have been some monumental fuck ups whipped up by the media so that we don’t know our arse from our elbow

It’s a sound bite, yes but it’s true that what we need now is stability

I am not a Tory by nature. I have been appalled by many things over the last few months and years.

We are on our knees is so many ways. Constant agitation and chaos just prolongs it. There is no credible opposition in my view.

I agree. I'm an old Bennite socialist who has never, ever voted Tory, but I honestly think after the recent past, especially the last few appalling weeks, we just need someone/thing to bring about calm and rebuilding. I am currently more bothered by the survival of all of us than party politics.

Frankly if we had a GE and Labour took over now (they would) what an inexperienced Government inherited would be unfair. The Tories made this mess, they need to sort it and I just hope RS can get on and do so.

We'll get more of an indication on Friday. I think what Sunak does wrt to Stormount and the NI Protocol will show us if this incarnation of the Tory party is committed to sorting things out for whoever will come next. Or if they're committed to the Crisis Capitalism that benefits them and their cronies.

RS is there for one reason only and that is to charm the public into thinking he has their best interests at heart. He's personable, friendly, handsome, articulate, all he needs to do is calm down the rows within the party, a couple of big economic strategies which look like he has the peoples interests at heart and, in 2yrs time, the fickle voters will have forgotten all about this current shit show and vote them in again.

And I trust the Tories over Labour regarding women’s rights.

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I have a bridge and some beachfront property you will be interested in.

Well, Sunak and Hunt both got firsts at Oxford, so between them they must have SOME flippin idea.

Not once they've worked out that the only pot left to rob is a a private pension tax.

They haven't even started on reforming social care, public service is on the bones of its arse and its strikes season.

Being not bad looking and smart might buy him time, but there's a reason he was the only person in the leadership race.

WatchoRulo

Which conservative front benchers have stated that male rapists who identify as woman belong in womens prisons or that any women who want to deny males access to their spaces are ‘dinosaurs.’?

Agree with the OP. Things need to calm down a bit then in 2 years we can have an election and if Labour look like they are ready to govern and especially if the conservatives haven’t sorted out at least some of the recent issues by then then we will have a change of government.

I am wary of Labour. Starmer is a puppet and over 90% of funding for the LP is via the unions which I am very uncomfortable about.

Dont vote for LP because they aren’t the Conservatives. Raynor makes my blood run cold. Lammy is worse. They all supported Corbyn until they didn’t…

<doffs cap>

Timeforabiscuit started it

In a way I agree with you OP. There seems to be so much infighting and backbiting and people trying to get the premiership for themselves (hence whipping the media up on certain topics) that I don't see how anything meaningful can be accomplished.

We are where we are. Nothing can change it. We are not having a general election for at least 2 years. WE as individuals can't force a general election, and all of the opposition forces in Parliament working together can't force it, nor the courts, nor the King, nor any higher authority. But it would be very easy to call one. Much easier than it was for May or Johnson or even Brown, all of whom did. The incoming PM has the power, with a rubber stamp from the King. HE can change it. He has actively ruled out that option.

But we've got ERG chair Mark Francois out telling the media today that "the public don't want a fourth election in seven years". This isn't true; a YouGov poll last week showed that 63% were in favour of an election once the new PM was selected, with only 23% against. A petition launched during the September leadership contest calling for a general election as soon as possible after THAT contest was decided was debated in Parliament last week. Leaders of Labour, the SNP, the Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru and the Green Party are all calling for an election.

In the rest of the world, the puzzled headlines and explainers and international news briefings are, over and over again, why is the UK not having an election? Not having one isn't normal under these circumstances, and shouldn't be normalised, even if having one is in practice futile. It's not OK that the government is in a constant shambles AND it's not OK if the opposition isn't prepared or functional. Neither one excuses the other, they actually make each other worse. IF there's no early election, it is because the Conservatives have the unchallenged and unmitigated power to prevent this very normal and routine and precedented course of events, and will do so and lie about it. People should know, and speak, the truth.

Well the Daily Fail is reporting - hopefully inaccurately - that Suella Braverman may be back as Home Secretary so that doesn't fill me with confidence! I don't see JRM getting anywhere near the Cabinet so that's a small mercy I suppose.

Yep, it's a total shit-show now and it's not going to be all tickety-boo in two years time no matter who's in charge for those two years. Whoever is in government in two years time will be punished by the electorate, so best for Labour to to have the Tories punished for the shit-show they created.

Cynical me has wondered if the constant Labour cries of 'we need a general election!' is a ploy. We know a GE won't be called, so calling for one is just performative pointless grandstanding - but do Labour actually gain anything from it? Other than nobody asking what they'd do, what their policies would be, in the unlikely event that Sunak turned round and said OK, GE it is. Like I said - cynical.

Agree with this ^ - it's still the same party, essentially the same priorities, the same backers (financially and media) , the same interests, the same dogma. And the big huge elephant in the room for them is Brexit. twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/1584454196031414273?s=20&t=trwuFeHg_-RIDen_TPjEZA

Braverman needs dumping right out. Along with Coffey.

Totally agree. Not at all convinced on the manner of Sunak's "win", or him in general - but for me it's vastly preferable to current Labour and I'd like to see him steady the ship ASAP.

I agree.

I want the Tories to regain a good few polling points.

Not because I agree with them, but because it will make for a better future government if we at least have some opposition to hold Labour to account.

It is not in anyone's interest to have Labour with 400+ seats imho.

Ah yes, the bend over and take whatever you get reaction. So very stoic and British.
nah Fuck that.

this lot need to get to fuck & give someone else a chance, not the same people, completely new lot to fuck us up for a while.

Well, yeah, they would like to be in power and put their policies and ideals into action.

Can't blame the media for tell the story of how once again the tories fcked up, let's she what they fck up next before we all agree to calm down!!

Constant agitation and chaos just prolongs it.

Your post reads as if you are encouraging the electorate to stop causing agitation and chaos, but this surely needs to be addressed to those causing it, the government.

…and give this government a chance to sort out this huge bastard mess

I don't see that we have much choice, do we? It's not as if they're interested in selecting the leader of the country democratically, after all. (Although I have heard a suggestion that the ERG will call for an election so that they can get rid of Rishi when he loses and install Boris as leader ready for the election after that.)

We have to get behind what we have.

Again, what are you asking people to actually do? We have no choice to get behind or not. We just have to sit here watching while they make us all poorer and wreck public services.

We are where we are.

Thanks to this government. Of course there are issues globally but no other country is quite the laughing stock of the world as we are.

Yes, there have been some monumental fuck ups whipped up by the media

There have been many, many monumental fuck ups reported by the media. Unless you think the media were responsible for the mini budget that tanked the pound? Did the media force them to dodge the OBR's oversight so that they could push through unfunded tax cuts for the wealthy during a cost of living crisis?

what we need now is stability

What we have needed for quite some time is stability, but I fear that this will be impossible with the Tories in government. After 12 years in power they haven't shown any signs thus far of being remotely capable of it. And unfortunately they are nowhere near as interested in the plight of the country as they are in their own rivalries and revenges. And their peerages and private incomes. And heating their stables.

RS is there for one reason only and that is to charm the public into thinking he has their best interests at heart.

I don't disagree, but tbh I think that is pretty much true of any prime minister or party leader. I don't believe any of them have the public's best interests at heart. They will say anything to get elected and to stay elected. Some of them are just better than others at trotting out the right things.

Oh yeah, if you consider you can do nothing that is exactly what you will get.

General Election will be announced in 24 hours from now.

Bets on.

Exactly. If it does turn out that this particular turd cannot be polished, that won't be the fault of anyone other than the Tories themselves.