Wouldn’t it be great if we could all settle the fuck down now

[AnyFucker]

…and give this government a chance to sort out this huge bastard mess

We are where we are. Nothing can change it. We are not having a general election for at least 2 years. Yes, there have been some monumental fuck ups whipped up by the media so that we don’t know our arse from our elbow

It’s a sound bite, yes but it’s true that what we need now is stability

I am not a Tory by nature. I have been appalled by many things over the last few months and years.

We are on our knees is so many ways. Constant agitation and chaos just prolongs it. There is no credible opposition in my view.

My general point was that there is always an opposition and that many voters totally discount the opposition as being viable because they themselves, whether they are willing to admit it or not, just don’t align with the opposition’s policies.

I don’t agree with many of Labour’s policies. I don’t agree with their stance on what a woman is, for a start.

I also don’t agree with some of the values they espouse. I don’t like seeing politicians call other politicians “scum”, and for that to have been tolerated.

That doesn’t mean I’m not left wing, it means I don’t agree with a party that is also left wing and - to me - they are not a credible option when it comes to voting. That certainly doesn’t mean that I’m right wing.

Maybe try criticising the Labour Party for being a party that people feel isn’t credible, rather than criticising those who feel the Labour Party doesn’t represent their left-wing views.

"Settle down"?
How fucking patronising. 😑

They've ruined the economy, so badly that the IMF had concerns about us.
Wasted and continue to waste millions on HS2.
Cosied up to Putin.
Cost of fuel is through the roof but they refuse to impose a windfall tax on the energy companies.
The NHS is in ruins.
They tried to ban protests.
Tried to prorouge parliament for their own gain.
Sunak moved money from poor areas to rich areas and BOASTED of this.
We have footballers feeding schoolkids.
They have priced many of our kids out of home ownership.
Don't get me started on Covid, we lost more people than most western nations because they refused to lock down in time, yet they claim covid as a victory.
They have an anti abortionist in charge of our health system.
And as for the spiteful Rees-Mogg and coke head Gove 🙄

Of course Labour is a better alternative.

Wait and see kid.

As I said. 24 hours is a long time in politics.

And actually if you've checked your facts the Tories are NOT the only ones who can call it.

Maybe try criticising the Labour Party for being a party that people feel isn’t credible,

There’s an increasing number of people who do find it credible and considerably better than the alternative. I don’t find your reasons for not voting for it credible. The “not knowing what a woman is” schtick is a Tory trope, I never fail to be astonished at how successful it’s been. Starmer’s interpretation of the 2010 Equality Act is identical to Braverman’s.

Agree OP

^This

I am getting sick of people blaming Labour for these woeful Tories in charge.

I've just listened to the latest The Rest is Politics podcast. Rory Stewart said that when he was Prisons Minister he'd tried to persuade Rishi Sunak that people shouldn't be sent to prison for non-payment of council tax or television licence fines and Sunak wouldn't countenance it. We've got a PM who employed all the shifty tricks in the book to hang on to every penny of his millions (money that he wouldn't even miss) but who would happily send you to prison for being poor. Shameless.

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I’m not blaming Labour for the Tories being in power. I’m blaming Labour for not being better.

The “not knowing what a woman is” schtick is a Tory trope

Give over, Labour have generally been “Transwomen are women”, a statement with which I profoundly disagree and feel strongly enough about to make me not want to vote for them. It’s not a “Tory trope” it’s their own words. Dismissing someone’s genuinely held opinion as “a Tory view” and therefore wrong is getting pretty fucking tired now.

Yeah, OK, King Charles is really going to dissolve Parliament. I suppose a devils alliance of Labour, the SNP, the Lib Dems and disgruntled Johnsonites might just have the numbers, but realistically it isn't going to happen (kid)

Starmer’s interpretation of the 2010 Equality Act is identical to Braverman’s.

Oh, and I will just add that he’s been on record in the last day or so as saying a trans woman is a woman. I had such high hopes of him but if he can’t master basic biology then I don’t hold out much hope for him on any matters pertaining to the rights, identities and safeties of women. You know, the actual ones.

I’m not criticising you for feeling the Labour party doesn’t represent your left-wing views and I don’t know why you jumped on my first post as being a criticism of you when it was obviously a response to the OP.

I would find it really bloody weird if you, a self professed left-winger, voted Tory because you don’t feel represented by Labour. I wouldn’t find it weird if you voted Green for example.

You are deliberately missing my point which is that the opposition is viable. The opposition is nearly always viable (whoever they are) in most democracies. We choose whether or not to vote for the opposition (or the incumbents or a 3rd party) based on our own political position vis a vis the policy platform and I’m not criticising that.

What I do criticise is people saying that there is no VIABLE opposition when what they mean is they don’t agree with the opposition. Just say you are voting with the party you most align with. If you are truly left wing, I would presume that you would vote either Green or maybe Lib Dem if you don’t like Labour policies. If you vote Conservative then you are not left wing. That’s fine and I would not be criticising your choice of vote but I would be questioning your claim of being left wing. Just own being Tory in that case.

I don’t know why you jumped on my first post as being a criticism of you when it was obviously a response to the OP.

It wasn’t obviously a response to the OP, you hadn’t even quoted them. If you’d read the whole thread you’d have realised that other people had expressed similar views.

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Best comment of the day 😊

No, I won’t be “settling down” sorry. To settle down now is to bend over and accept that the country I used to love is fucked. The NHS is fucked, schools are fucked welfare is fucked, standard of living is fucked, any idea of an affordable home is fucked, security is fucked, community is fucked, any sense of empathy, morality or decency is fucked and the only thing that matters is that a few rich people get richer. Nope. I want a general election. There will be no settling down for many many people until that happens.

The public it could be argued, also contributed to the ruin, by voting the party into power to begin with.

@Hawkins001

"The public it could be argued, also contributed to the ruin, by voting the party into power to begin with."

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And voting for Brexit

You really think there’s no credible opposition to this completely unstable government, after the past few years? I’d say you deserve everything you get but the trouble is people like you just drag those of us who want more for the country down with you.

Well said!!!!

Brexit too,

I was all for the public vote,

But in a discussion with a friend , we debated the merits of is it wise leavin an important vote such as brexit, in the hands of the public ?

And the public voted and look what happened.

If academics and university professors ect that knew the complexity of brexit, how they would of voted.