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To end a 30+ year friendship over this?

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Loulou572 · 22/10/2022 20:26

One of my longest and closest friends, Emily (not real name) has a 25 year old dd, Poppy, with high functioning autism. She’s a lovely beautiful girl who half the time you would never even know had autism but it still sometimes makes her hard to communicate with until she feels comfortable and she can freeze up or avoids talking to people even if she already knows them well. She is currently living at home at Emily’s house with her boyfriend as they’re waiting for the house purchase to be completely finished in the new year.

Last weekend DD and I went to a bar in our town. It was around 10pm and Poppy comes in, I didn’t want to bother her, especially as I didn’t think she’d welcome it due to how she normally is, so smiled and gave a quick wave as she walked past and she went off into the toilet. About half hour later we was sat in the smoking area and she comes over, she was very chatty and asking alot of questions which is very unusual for her, I assumed she was just drunk but DD pointed out her and all her friends were chewing gum and thought it may have been MDMA or coke they were on as it causes issues with the jaw and “that’s the only time people chew gum on nights out”. She went to the bar to get a drink and when dd and I went inside a few minutes later she wasn’t there but there was
a couple of poor bar staff cleaning up a huge amount of sick on the floor and apparently a girl had been kicked out (didn’t realise this was her at that time)

About an hour later we left the bar and saw her getting escorted out of a second bar, I checked on her and she was definitely on drugs as her pupils were enormous, I asked her boyfriend what’s gone on and he said they were kicked out because she was sick, I asked why she was sick and was it her in the other bar, it was and they don’t know why she was being sick as there was no build up “she was talking and suddenly large amounts of sick just came pouring out her mouth”, one of her friends suggested it was sensory thing due to the loud music and lights but it was obviously due to the drugs. I offered to call her mum to get her as it was just gone 11 at the time but they said they already booked a taxi.

Sunday afternoon I text Emily to check how poppy was just saying we saw her last night and she didn’t seem too fresh. Emily said she’s all good, got in a 4am but she had a good night. I checked what time we had booked our taxi home which was shortly after she had got into her taxi as I didn’t feel comfortable leaving her and it was 11:48 so i don’t know where she was until 4am. I decided to call emily and tell her about the sick, getting kicked out of 2 bars, the drugs, and leaving before midnight despite not arriving home until 4. Emily says she already knows about poppy using drugs and says it’s ecstasy pills that she has a testing kit for so knows what she’s taking (can that be true though?). She being using it on and off since 2018 and Emily has just decided to ignore it because there’s not much she can do seeing as she’s an adult with her own money, it’s not often and it gives poppy the chance to go out and enjoy nights out like others in their 20s without her autism getting in the way.

I talked about this with a mutual friend who is closer to Poppy who apparently also knew and doesn’t see any issue, she sent me links to studies on how mdma/ecstasy helps with the social anxiety that comes with autism but all the studies are old bar a few and when doing my own research I found some that argued against it. I’ve expressed how uncomfortable it makes me and said to one of our friends I don’t think I can carry on a friendship knowing Emily is condoning illegal drug use and everyone’s piled in on me and some are even claiming my DD only suspected the drug use due to her also using drugs which is not true.

On one hand I know it’s not my business, poppy is a lovely girl with a good job and does fine most the time and Emily is normally very straight edged but on the other hand I don’t understand how any parent can be aware of their children using horrid drugs and just shrugging it off, it’s made me question the type of person Emily is and how I’ve not had an inkling she was like this before, I also don’t like how they dragged my dd into it with their false accusations.

OP posts:
PatientlyWaiting21 · 23/10/2022 19:25

Been there done that, so I’m a total hypocrite but if my daughter uses drugs I’d be devastated, drugs kill end of, I was lucky.

Justnosing · 23/10/2022 19:27

Yabvu. And your daughter does it too but wanted to clutch her pearls in front of you to cover that up in case you cottoned on 😂

Dummycrusher · 23/10/2022 19:28

This is all kinds of weird. Why has your friend's adult daughter taking drugs pushed your buttons so much?

AnnieSnap · 23/10/2022 19:31

Firstly, she isn’t a child. Secondly, she has a testing kit (yes it’s a thing) and thirdly, it’s not your business.

Pipsquiggle · 23/10/2022 19:32

No you don't end a 30 year friendship over this.

You be a friend, she might appreciate being able to talk to someone about this.

Dahliasandtea · 23/10/2022 19:33

I think most people have given you the answer. Emily knows and can do Jack shit about her daughter doing drugs. Autism or not she is old enough to make those decisions herself. And bar having her declared incompetent and committing her….: what exactly can her do? I mean she could talk to her daughter and try to get her to stop…. But if it helps her and helps her fit in….. is this something you would really end a friendship over. People with autism carry a lot with them….. anxiety and judgement. Let her live a little. She could be drinking herself into a stupor like o was at her age…. A 15yr old, maybe you could ground her and play policemum… But a grown woman???? 🙄

but ignore the comments about your daughter definitely taking drugs just because she knows what people are like on them. I watched all my friends take drugs for years and knew what each and everyone of them was like on drugs and which drugs. I never took them. However I genuinely don’t think any of them knew what they were like. Had they they probably would have stopped. Because it was awful. But then until I stopped drinking I never knew how fucking boring people who had had more than 3 drinks were. And the glazed look they have. But it IS likely that your daughter hangs out with a lot of druggies though so I am surprised you’re going to drop your friend but not worry about your daughter being in that scene too…..

Trez1510 · 23/10/2022 19:38

I think I've got this right .... you spoke to one friend, who knew and who was supportive of Emily and Poppy?

Then, having not received the pearl-clutching horror you expected/hoped for, you went right ahead and spoke with yet another mutual friend/acquaintance who did/didn't already know looking for the answer your wanted i.e. you are an icon of morality, integrity and discretion?

Like so many other pps I doubt you have to continue to 'torture' yourself with this particular moral dilemma as to whether or not your off-the-scale morals would allow you to continue this 30-yr friendship.

Seriously, put it out of your mind, lay down your angst because my instinct tells me .... Poppy and Emily will have already decided you're not worth it, along with the wider friendship group who probably already have your/your daughter's measure.

Go Poppy & Emily!

newfriend05 · 23/10/2022 19:40

If anything, your "friend" should be ending the friendship not you ... your judgemental, gossipy and is more upset about how people are viewing your daughter while talking about someone's else's daughter... your no friend !,

DarkDarkNight · 23/10/2022 19:46

It’s nothing to do with you. Also, don’t make a fool of yourself insisting your daughter has never taken drugs. It’s very widespread, Coke and MDMA are very commonplace among normal people. I’m sure my parents would say their children have never taken drugs and aren’t the type but they’d be wrong on all counts.

Beatendownmum · 23/10/2022 19:48

I would mind my own business if I were you and probably buy a testing kid for my own daughter 😂😂

IReallyLikeCrows · 23/10/2022 19:48

I'm surprised you've got to 30 years of friendship given how judgemental you are. I think if Emily saw this post you wouldn't have to end the friendship. She'd do it for you.

Kazibar · 23/10/2022 19:49

Jeez judgemental or what. Poppy is 25, with a job and buying a house. An adult. It’s up to her how she lives her life. Not you and not her mum. As an older adult if you wanted to talk to someone about what you think happened it should be to her.

Most young people have made a fool of themselves with drink or drugs at some point. I know I had a vomiting incident or two from booze when I was at college 30 years ago. I also tried dope once or twice. Have you really never made a fool of yourself? Perhaps you’ve always been teetotal.

an interesting and grown up thing to do might be to approach your own daughter and explain that you were really upset by what you saw. Ask her what she thinks. Ask her how normal this is. Try not to jump on her but listen

Floofboopsnootandbork · 23/10/2022 19:50

2bazookas · 23/10/2022 18:30

Poppy's autism and Poppy's drug use make her doubly vulnerable to risks Poppy may not be able to handle. There is no safe use of street drugs because no way of knowing what toxic crap is in the next tab. Uncontrollable vomiting under the influence carries a risk of inhalation/choking, and of social rejection/isolation in the wee small hours in risky locations. And, Taxi drivers who refuse her.

If her mother has half a brain (and google) she knows all that; but is powerless to stop Poppy doing what Poppy wants. Especially as Poppy the house buyer must have funds her parents can't control.

Your old friend Emily is probably going to need a lot of support in the not far distant future. Please don't blame her for this wretched situation she didn't make and can't prevent.

Bars still have "smoking areas" where you live? Really?

They all have smoking areas where I’m from and in many other places I’ve visited. They’re not labeled as smoking areas as such, just outdoor seating, but everyone knows that’s what they’re for and if they get too crowded non smokers are often moved inside so they are “smoking areas”. Surely you didn’t assume she meant an inside smoking area? 😅

Notanotherusernamenow · 23/10/2022 19:51

I’m autistic and mdma and ecstasy taught me to be able to give and receive touch. And to have friends. And to talk about feelings. I don’t use it any more but it changed my life in my 20s. I’m so thankful I got to use it and I wish it was legal so it could be used to treat younger patients.

BiscuitLover3678 · 23/10/2022 19:52

OP I also don’t like that she’s taking drugs but your friend has very little choice. At the end of the day she can’t stop her daughter. All you can do is support her and not get involved. I get why you’d be worried about Poppy but there really isn’t much you can do.
It’s possible Emily was much more worried than she let on.

Also what on earth is a tester kit?

Lasagnainmyhair · 23/10/2022 19:56

I don’t want to derail the thread but I’m pretty dumb when it comes to knowledge of drugs. I thought mdma and ecstasy were the same thing, are they not?

FaceLikeASmackedArse · 23/10/2022 20:02

PatientlyWaiting21 · 23/10/2022 19:25

Been there done that, so I’m a total hypocrite but if my daughter uses drugs I’d be devastated, drugs kill end of, I was lucky.

Car collisions, alcohol, suicide, guns,.knives (the list is extensive, so I shan't go on cos I simply can't be arsed!) are the cause of far more deaths than recreatiinal drugs. Should we ban those....end of?

If drugs were legalised, dispensed appropriately and regulated by a governing body we wouldn't have as many drugs related crimes that involve knives and guns etc that kill.more people than the actual drugs themselves!

There are different levels of drugs and their effects and those such as ecstacy and MDMA are really very low on the 'killers' list.

Oddbobbyboo · 23/10/2022 20:05

Jeez! Would you rather her abandon her daughter! Her daughter is an adult and there’s not much you can do about your adult children’s decisions.

Mind your own business!

Tonymate · 23/10/2022 20:14

I can only say, don't give up on an old friendship unless you REALLY have to. Old ones, made in your youth, as a presume this one is, are the only really true friendships. So do be careful, I'd urge.

Mummadeze · 23/10/2022 20:14

I think you are being a bit naive. I don’t know anyone who didn’t try these kind of recreational drugs in our 20s. I do get why you were worried if she was vomiting however, that would have worried me too. But I really wouldn’t cut an old friend off over this. Surely you can still have the same relationship despite a difference in parenting approaches on this matter.

Wishyfishy · 23/10/2022 20:17

OP not coming back I guess … but I agree with others. Emily isn’t condoning it and isn’t partaking herself presumably. There is nothing to end a friendship over. I wouldn’t approve of Poppy’s actions either but ultimately it’s none of your business and ending a friendship because of it is OTT. Googling whether the reasons given make sense is just not necessary. Take a step.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 23/10/2022 20:21

I walked into ds’s student house a few years ago and the words ‘ketamine’ was in fridge magnets on the door.

I just said to him ‘I’m pretending not to see that, but if you do take it, do it as safely as you possibly can’

What can l say? I used to take speed.

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 23/10/2022 20:24

Don't be a twat mate.

tammyrae · 23/10/2022 20:30

Like another poster pointed out, I understand how it might have been upsetting watching your friend’s daughter (who you’ve known her whole life) get into such a state … BUT, what do you expect Emily to do about it? Ring the police and ruin her daughter’s career/future? I’m relieved she has a testing kit. I don’t advocate illegal drug use (except medicinal cannabis) purely because I don’t like the supply chain. I tried stuff in my teens and twenties but wouldn’t now.

LampALot · 23/10/2022 20:41

I think I might be the only one who agrees with OP!

Poppy is a vulnerable adult.

I’d be judging her mother’s parenting too - she doesn’t need to support her daughter taking drugs and to act as if it’s “safe” because she got “a kit” - there could be anything in what she is taking.

Maybe she is a “cool parent” but I’d be seeing her in a different light as well.