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To end a 30+ year friendship over this?

278 replies

Loulou572 · 22/10/2022 20:26

One of my longest and closest friends, Emily (not real name) has a 25 year old dd, Poppy, with high functioning autism. She’s a lovely beautiful girl who half the time you would never even know had autism but it still sometimes makes her hard to communicate with until she feels comfortable and she can freeze up or avoids talking to people even if she already knows them well. She is currently living at home at Emily’s house with her boyfriend as they’re waiting for the house purchase to be completely finished in the new year.

Last weekend DD and I went to a bar in our town. It was around 10pm and Poppy comes in, I didn’t want to bother her, especially as I didn’t think she’d welcome it due to how she normally is, so smiled and gave a quick wave as she walked past and she went off into the toilet. About half hour later we was sat in the smoking area and she comes over, she was very chatty and asking alot of questions which is very unusual for her, I assumed she was just drunk but DD pointed out her and all her friends were chewing gum and thought it may have been MDMA or coke they were on as it causes issues with the jaw and “that’s the only time people chew gum on nights out”. She went to the bar to get a drink and when dd and I went inside a few minutes later she wasn’t there but there was
a couple of poor bar staff cleaning up a huge amount of sick on the floor and apparently a girl had been kicked out (didn’t realise this was her at that time)

About an hour later we left the bar and saw her getting escorted out of a second bar, I checked on her and she was definitely on drugs as her pupils were enormous, I asked her boyfriend what’s gone on and he said they were kicked out because she was sick, I asked why she was sick and was it her in the other bar, it was and they don’t know why she was being sick as there was no build up “she was talking and suddenly large amounts of sick just came pouring out her mouth”, one of her friends suggested it was sensory thing due to the loud music and lights but it was obviously due to the drugs. I offered to call her mum to get her as it was just gone 11 at the time but they said they already booked a taxi.

Sunday afternoon I text Emily to check how poppy was just saying we saw her last night and she didn’t seem too fresh. Emily said she’s all good, got in a 4am but she had a good night. I checked what time we had booked our taxi home which was shortly after she had got into her taxi as I didn’t feel comfortable leaving her and it was 11:48 so i don’t know where she was until 4am. I decided to call emily and tell her about the sick, getting kicked out of 2 bars, the drugs, and leaving before midnight despite not arriving home until 4. Emily says she already knows about poppy using drugs and says it’s ecstasy pills that she has a testing kit for so knows what she’s taking (can that be true though?). She being using it on and off since 2018 and Emily has just decided to ignore it because there’s not much she can do seeing as she’s an adult with her own money, it’s not often and it gives poppy the chance to go out and enjoy nights out like others in their 20s without her autism getting in the way.

I talked about this with a mutual friend who is closer to Poppy who apparently also knew and doesn’t see any issue, she sent me links to studies on how mdma/ecstasy helps with the social anxiety that comes with autism but all the studies are old bar a few and when doing my own research I found some that argued against it. I’ve expressed how uncomfortable it makes me and said to one of our friends I don’t think I can carry on a friendship knowing Emily is condoning illegal drug use and everyone’s piled in on me and some are even claiming my DD only suspected the drug use due to her also using drugs which is not true.

On one hand I know it’s not my business, poppy is a lovely girl with a good job and does fine most the time and Emily is normally very straight edged but on the other hand I don’t understand how any parent can be aware of their children using horrid drugs and just shrugging it off, it’s made me question the type of person Emily is and how I’ve not had an inkling she was like this before, I also don’t like how they dragged my dd into it with their false accusations.

OP posts:
Hmm1234 · 23/10/2022 18:33

Look how defensive you’re being about your own daughters suspected drug use! Lol the statement she made was probably so you wouldn’t suspect her. People who smoke also chew gum on nights out. Silly

PortalooSunset · 23/10/2022 18:35

Tbh I reckon you probably ended the friendship the moment you started discussing Poppy's situation in such a judgmental way with other people, rather than Poppy and her mum. Y'know, the mum who is supposed to be your friend.

nanagerry · 23/10/2022 18:39

A friend of 30 years deserves your support not your criticism. We don't have to agree with everything a friend does and you've raised your concerns which is as far as you can go. Just be there for her and show her some loyalty

FlissyPaps · 23/10/2022 18:39

Wow. What a horrible, condescending person you are. Poppy is a grown adult and what she chooses to put in her body has absolutely nothing to do with you.

Benjispruce4 · 23/10/2022 18:40

You were right to call her mum and say what you’d seen but after that you should leave them to their own decisions. You can be open with your friend that you feel it’s not right, I would feel the same but I wouldn’t end a friendship over it.

Thefsm · 23/10/2022 18:42

This is none of your business.

Diva66 · 23/10/2022 18:43

I think it’s very likely that Emily will want to end the friendship when she finds out you’ve been discussing her daughter with all and sundry.

Welikebeingcosy · 23/10/2022 18:51

To the people accusing op's daughter of taking drugs, please stop. You don't have to have taken drugs to recognise a person's eyes on drugs. You see plenty of it in bars, at festivals or out with friends at uni, or if a friend in a group likes to do drugs, it's really hard to not run into people doing drugs in your early twenties on nights out. From someone who never did drugs but had to put up with the eyes, jaw gurning and all night boasting of ex acquaintances on drugs in group nights out years ago. It's also obvious because the couple of people in the group who are into it keep whispering and sneaking off together and then they come back all wide eyed and unable to digest anything you're saying.

LoekMa · 23/10/2022 19:00

TerfQueen · 22/10/2022 20:36

Well your daughter sure knew all the signs for someone who has nothing to do with drugs?

What is it they say…. Takes one to know one?

🤷🏼‍♀️

Ain't that the real story here ☕

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 23/10/2022 19:02

Bars still have "smoking areas" where you live? Really?

It doesn’t have to be inside, does it? Loads of bars and pubs have outdoor areas where you can smoke.

In any case, I’m surprised this is the point you picked up as being unlikely…

Aesop45 · 23/10/2022 19:03

I think you should end the friendship.

Emily is better off without you, you sound like a terrible friend and a right old bore too.

1creamtea · 23/10/2022 19:05

I suspect you won’t have to worry about what you would do , if you friend is on here she will recognise herself and will end it with you.

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 23/10/2022 19:05

If it were me in your shoes OP, I wouldn't be so judgmental and as others say your DD seems to know a lot about drugs so has probably tried Ecstasy too.

I used to take Ecstasy in my mid-twenties until about age 27/28 or so then stopped. I won't lie and say it's great for every young person, because it isn't, I knew quite a few people, including me, who took a lot and it affected them adversely, I know people who lost a lot financially over it. I also knew people who held down jobs and bought houses whilst out clubbing and taking it.

Where you went wrong was telling your friend and wanting to end a longstanding close friendship over this when it's really nothing to do with you as your friend knows and her daughter seems to have her head screwed on.

FaceLikeASmackedArse · 23/10/2022 19:06

NRTFT but YABU
She is a fully grown adult
She has a full time good job
She is in a long term relationship
She is buying a house

IMO, as someone who isn't neurotypical.myself and also used recreational drugs to socialise on nights out that entailed sensory overloads like flashing lights, loud music and crowds of jostling people (because otherwise I would have been reclusive, lonely and desperately unhappy), recreational drugs should be legalised in order for more research to be done into the benefits they hold for people who aren't neurotypical so they can relax and enjoy a world built for the neurotypical. As well as those who suffered with life limiting mental illnesses.

It would also stop drugs gangs and the plethora of crimes that go with that industry if people don't have to resort to 'underground' means of obtaining those drugs. If they were prescribed, administered in controlled doses, monitored and regulated, it's possible to help SO SO many people to live happy well-functioning lives.

If you end a 30+ years friendship over the choice an adult has made for herself, and her mother has chosen to support her because it aids her autism, it would most definitely be your loss.

And I suspect that the reason you're the only one who didn't already know, but her own mother and other friends of her mother do, shows they know you're judgmental, uptight and unwilling to try to understand, so have deliberately left you out of the loop on this.

neverbeenskiing · 23/10/2022 19:08

I’ve expressed how uncomfortable it makes me and said to one of our friends I don’t think I can carry on a friendship knowing Emily is condoning illegal drug use and everyone’s piled in on me and some are even claiming my DD only suspected the drug use due to her also using drugs which is not true.

So not only are you judging your friend for a situation with her Autistic DD that is beyond her control, you've been gossiping about her DD to others too. Now that's the sort of thing I absolutely would end a friendship over.
Have you thought for a second that maybe if "everyone" (how many people have you told??) is piling in then that's a sign you're in the wrong? Of course not, because you're clearly blinded by your own self-righteousness.

What exactly do you want Emily to do? Do you want her to disown Poppy? Or keep her locked up in the house so she can't access drugs? She is a grown woman! That means she's entitled to The fact that you refuse to see that, and hold her DM responsible for her choices smacks of ableism to be honest. Would you expect your friends to cut you out of their lives for a choice your DD made that didn't even impact them in the slightest? Of course not.

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 23/10/2022 19:08

I've re-read your OP - what on earth does it have to do with you that someone's taking drugs? Yes, Ecstasy can make people more open, outgoing etc. It doesn't have anything to do with you one way or another unless the friend's DD was e.g. stealing money or goods from you to buy drink or was giving you/your DD drugs.

It's really nothing to do with you, doing research and then expecting your friend to speak to her DD and condone her drug use for you. It's not like your friend's DD is smoking crack or shooting up heroin and even if she was, she'd want your support (the friend and the DD) not a load of judgmental comments.

OriginalUsername3 · 23/10/2022 19:11

I know MDMA is well known to help autistics socially, so I guess ecstacy could be the same. I don't know myself. I've been meaning to try it tbh but I don't know a dealer.

Mind your own.

QuebecBagnet · 23/10/2022 19:12

I hope Emily reads this and drops you. I certainly would.

you sound really judgemental and totally clueless. Not a good friend at all.

rainbowshows · 23/10/2022 19:15

Forget the drugs, why does a 25 year old need to explain where she was for 4 hours after leaving the club?

RecklessGoddess · 23/10/2022 19:17

Took the words right out of my mouth!

trebarwith1 · 23/10/2022 19:19

You are unreasonable and judgmental

LaDamaDeElche · 23/10/2022 19:23

I can't believe you're considering ending a 30 year old friendship over this. Bizarre.

BookishKitten · 23/10/2022 19:24

As the parent of an autistic person I am honestly so sad and disgusted in equal measure by your reaction.
i totally get your concern and I would have done the same in contacting your friend about their child out of serious concern.
however…
not only are you just disregarding what your friend has told you about the why and how she’s managing this with her daughter…
somehow you also dragged mutual friends into the discussion which frankly is a disappointing breach of trust.

if I were your friend I would be ditching you

SleepingStandingUp · 23/10/2022 19:24

So having spoken to her Mom and had it confirmed she knew about the drugs, you then started gossiping to other people about it? There's the first friend who's closer to Poppy, then another friend you spoke to after the research, and all these people piling on and accusing your daughter. Just how many people did you discuss this young ladys private life with?

Yes, I'd consider ending a friendship because my so called friend is going around our friends trying to stir up trouble about my daughter and trying to get them to turn on me and tell me I'm a shit Mom.

BookishKitten · 23/10/2022 19:25

Also I might add:
you daughter has totally done it.