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To end a 30+ year friendship over this?

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Loulou572 · 22/10/2022 20:26

One of my longest and closest friends, Emily (not real name) has a 25 year old dd, Poppy, with high functioning autism. She’s a lovely beautiful girl who half the time you would never even know had autism but it still sometimes makes her hard to communicate with until she feels comfortable and she can freeze up or avoids talking to people even if she already knows them well. She is currently living at home at Emily’s house with her boyfriend as they’re waiting for the house purchase to be completely finished in the new year.

Last weekend DD and I went to a bar in our town. It was around 10pm and Poppy comes in, I didn’t want to bother her, especially as I didn’t think she’d welcome it due to how she normally is, so smiled and gave a quick wave as she walked past and she went off into the toilet. About half hour later we was sat in the smoking area and she comes over, she was very chatty and asking alot of questions which is very unusual for her, I assumed she was just drunk but DD pointed out her and all her friends were chewing gum and thought it may have been MDMA or coke they were on as it causes issues with the jaw and “that’s the only time people chew gum on nights out”. She went to the bar to get a drink and when dd and I went inside a few minutes later she wasn’t there but there was
a couple of poor bar staff cleaning up a huge amount of sick on the floor and apparently a girl had been kicked out (didn’t realise this was her at that time)

About an hour later we left the bar and saw her getting escorted out of a second bar, I checked on her and she was definitely on drugs as her pupils were enormous, I asked her boyfriend what’s gone on and he said they were kicked out because she was sick, I asked why she was sick and was it her in the other bar, it was and they don’t know why she was being sick as there was no build up “she was talking and suddenly large amounts of sick just came pouring out her mouth”, one of her friends suggested it was sensory thing due to the loud music and lights but it was obviously due to the drugs. I offered to call her mum to get her as it was just gone 11 at the time but they said they already booked a taxi.

Sunday afternoon I text Emily to check how poppy was just saying we saw her last night and she didn’t seem too fresh. Emily said she’s all good, got in a 4am but she had a good night. I checked what time we had booked our taxi home which was shortly after she had got into her taxi as I didn’t feel comfortable leaving her and it was 11:48 so i don’t know where she was until 4am. I decided to call emily and tell her about the sick, getting kicked out of 2 bars, the drugs, and leaving before midnight despite not arriving home until 4. Emily says she already knows about poppy using drugs and says it’s ecstasy pills that she has a testing kit for so knows what she’s taking (can that be true though?). She being using it on and off since 2018 and Emily has just decided to ignore it because there’s not much she can do seeing as she’s an adult with her own money, it’s not often and it gives poppy the chance to go out and enjoy nights out like others in their 20s without her autism getting in the way.

I talked about this with a mutual friend who is closer to Poppy who apparently also knew and doesn’t see any issue, she sent me links to studies on how mdma/ecstasy helps with the social anxiety that comes with autism but all the studies are old bar a few and when doing my own research I found some that argued against it. I’ve expressed how uncomfortable it makes me and said to one of our friends I don’t think I can carry on a friendship knowing Emily is condoning illegal drug use and everyone’s piled in on me and some are even claiming my DD only suspected the drug use due to her also using drugs which is not true.

On one hand I know it’s not my business, poppy is a lovely girl with a good job and does fine most the time and Emily is normally very straight edged but on the other hand I don’t understand how any parent can be aware of their children using horrid drugs and just shrugging it off, it’s made me question the type of person Emily is and how I’ve not had an inkling she was like this before, I also don’t like how they dragged my dd into it with their false accusations.

OP posts:
Miajk · 23/10/2022 07:14

TerfQueen · 22/10/2022 20:36

Well your daughter sure knew all the signs for someone who has nothing to do with drugs?

What is it they say…. Takes one to know one?

🤷🏼‍♀️

This. Before I took any drugs I wouldn't have had a clue what someone on drugs looks like.

Also, not sure why you feel MDMA is worse than alcohol? It's illegal but many things were illegal or legal throughout time despite being wrong. (you know, things like slavery or women not allowed to vote)

Alcohol is far worse than MDMA. So if you and DD were drinking maybe reconsider your judgy attitude.

outtheshowernow · 23/10/2022 08:24

PremsDhaba · 23/10/2022 00:41

By the way OP. I have autism. I took drugs in my late teens/20's and had a fucking amazing time, meeting new people and experiencing things I otherwise might not have. And now I'm a real grown up with a respectable job in the NHS, a family of my own, live in a nice house and a close knit group of very lovely friends. Appearing to be as middle class as they come, you wouldn't even imagine the things I got up to. More than likely, Poppy will end up the same as me.

Well said. Using the odd recreational drug on a night is is very different from being a heroine addict. These people see the word drug and just imagine the worst. It's nothing like that. It's a confidence boost when you are out with friends. Safer than alcohol is my opinion (mdma) because you are totally in control unlike drinking which can leave you in a vulnerable state and being all over the place. In moderation and being sensible I honestly wouldn't worry about it. Looking back to when I was young I had the best times of my life and have no regrets. It's made me a more understanding person and am never narrow minded like the op is. Cocaine on the other hand is nasty and best avoided it can ruin your life

rubytubeytubes · 23/10/2022 08:31

You had no right to ring her mum up and tell her - she is 25 years old!
her mum sounds lovely - you are judgemental and gossipy.
how are you even considering stopping a friendship over something someone’s daughter did that is really none of your business?

mycatisannoying · 23/10/2022 08:34

Are you normally so interfering and judgemental re the lifestyle choices of others?
No wonder Poppy's mum got defensive!
You'd be a fool to end a long-term friendship over this.

Devoutspoken · 23/10/2022 10:54

I'd take it if it was legal

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 23/10/2022 10:56

I had an almost eerie feeling when I read the OP’s post that she’d either never be seen again, or would post ever-more frothy updates along the lines of “But then Poppy pissed herself! And when I said I was worried she told me I was an evil bitch and punched me! And when I told Emily she told me I was evil and should be burned at the stake!! Now do you all agree with me?!”

The “post and run” is less fun, but sometimes you don’t mess with a classic.

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 23/10/2022 11:02

LemonDrop22 · 22/10/2022 22:26

But what do you expect her mother to do about it?

Are you a mother? What would you do about it?

I’d sit her down and say, “Now look Poppy, sweetheart. Mummy knows you take drugs and, even though I don’t approve, you’re a big girl now and I thought it best to let you make your own mistakes. But now it’s different. Mummy’s friend saw you do a sick, and that’s not very pleasant, is it? And worse than that, Mummy’s friend doesn’t want to be friends anymore, which is very sad. So from now on I think it’s best you stick to cocoa and a good book, don’t you?”

That should do it.

ThreeblackCats · 23/10/2022 11:06

Cool story. But don’t give up the day job just yet.

QS90 · 23/10/2022 11:21

@bercan I took from the OPs post that she was more worried about the effect on the woman (eg throwing up), and the fact she was doing something illegal, than the wider effect on society (I could be wrong).

Re the organised crime, I personally agree with you 100%! It is a real problem. I think that's more a debate about whether recreational drugs should be legalised though, which is too broad and off-topic for this particular thread.

Refrosty · 23/10/2022 11:32

I guess the issue is that you don't know the full extent of the situation. Emily could have been through hell and back trying to make her daughter stop using. This might be a compromise of some sort?

I also wouldn't wish my DC or any DC to puke in various clubs regularly just for fun. But what can you do? You could support Emily in some way, not think of chucking her.

Bard6817 · 23/10/2022 11:54

Dear OP, do you smoke or drink alcohol?

Every society has one or two drugs which are permitted, and the remainder outlawed.

Personally i find smoking (vaping is even worse) disgusting, and the violence associated with alcohol is well documented, but what is lesser documented is the suicides alcohol is part of.

YABU

Personally i’d like to see some chemical drugs legalised for therapeutic and recreational use, have them taxed. I speak on behalf of a pain sufferer who cannot get by without illegal drugs, yet cannot access them therapeutically legally. Mad.

LovelyIssues · 23/10/2022 18:04

It's not your child. You've raised your concern. You've done your bit. There is absolutely nothing to do with your friendship

MrsMummy500 · 23/10/2022 18:04

You asked the question, so: Yes, you're unbeing unreasonable, but worse still, pretty judgmental and quite naive.

I don't think your daughter knowing the signs of drug use means she's also used drugs and I seriously don't think that chewing gum is proof of drug use, but I do think you should keep your side of the street clean and show your friend some empathy. It's unlikely your friend is over joyed at her daughter using drugs, but instead of alienating her over it, she's chosen to try and make it safe. I think you should chil out and and untwist your knickers.

Chattycatty · 23/10/2022 18:05

Can see the OP hasn't come back but in case she's reading "mind your own business".

cazba26 · 23/10/2022 18:13

U told Emily about the sick and getting kicked out the pub but drugs, u didn't know for sure she had taken drugs so u shouldn't have mentioned that to Emily.

To answer ur question, YES u are unreasonable. What do u want Emily to do about her adult daughter doing what she wants, she can't do anything. If u were unaware about Poppy taking drugs before then why should it affect ur friendship? It's not like it's shoved in ur face.

I think other friends have a right to get on ur case as ur being very judgemental. I think u may do Emily a favour by ending the friendship.

And BTW people chew gum all the time not when just on drugs, that was a silly assumption.

Lozzie86 · 23/10/2022 18:16

This has made me anxious with the chewing gum comment. I use chewing gum day to day (and if drinking alcohol on occasion) when I get anxiety, to bring moisture back to my mouth. I didn't realise it made me look like I was high, haha.

JanoirLondon · 23/10/2022 18:20

Poppy is 25 love and old enough to make own decisions. She probably wouldn't even listen to her mum at that age.
You are being right but unfortunately in this day and age it really is non of your business other than offering support

Seriouslydudenotcool · 23/10/2022 18:23

Yes you should definitely end your friendship over this. She doesn’t need you in her life. You’re not her friend.

Tessabelle74 · 23/10/2022 18:25

Not your child, not your business. Tbh I don't agree with drug use but I wouldn't bin a good friend over them. YABU and vetly judgemental

Rosie22xx · 23/10/2022 18:26

As any mum, she's trying to do her best. And she, as anyone, cannot control another person. There's only so much she can say, do and advise her daughter. But at the end of the day the daughter will do what she wants. Also the mum isn't going to kick her child out for that, she can just try be there for her as she loves her no matter what. Your daughter won't be getting involved in drugs if she knows what is wrong and right. I'm sure your daughter has a strong mind and morals around these particular things, and looks after her health. Same cannot be said for everyone. Everyone lives a different life and we cannot judge. She is your closest friend and hasn't done anything against you or to you. She just has a personal/separate issue that she will deal with in her own way, you don't have to agree with how she manages her family problems. Just continue to be there for her and be her friend like normal, you are her normality in her life and may help her having less drama in her life. A good friend is a supportive friend, just be there for her. Hope everything works out.

letsallmeetupinthehyear2000 · 23/10/2022 18:26

I dont think you’ll need to be the one to end the friendship. You do come across as judgemental - I know you mean it from a place of care and concern - it’s not an ideal situation by any means for your friend or any parent but there but for the grace of god go all of us. I think if you decide she’s not friend material then that’s prob best for both of you in the end.

GUARDIAN1 · 23/10/2022 18:29

Poppy is an adult, therefore there's very little her mum can do to stop her from spending her money on drugs if that's what she wants to do. I doubt very much that your friend is thrilled about it all. Think how you'd feel if it was the other way round. What if your friends disapproved of choices your DD made - and cut you out of their lives because of it?

NippySweetie16 · 23/10/2022 18:30

YABVU
The DD is an adult and your DF has spent years supporting her to live with autism - successfully by the looks of it. If the DD choses ways to do that, it's none of your business. Focus instead on your DF and giving her your support.

2bazookas · 23/10/2022 18:30

Poppy's autism and Poppy's drug use make her doubly vulnerable to risks Poppy may not be able to handle. There is no safe use of street drugs because no way of knowing what toxic crap is in the next tab. Uncontrollable vomiting under the influence carries a risk of inhalation/choking, and of social rejection/isolation in the wee small hours in risky locations. And, Taxi drivers who refuse her.

If her mother has half a brain (and google) she knows all that; but is powerless to stop Poppy doing what Poppy wants. Especially as Poppy the house buyer must have funds her parents can't control.

Your old friend Emily is probably going to need a lot of support in the not far distant future. Please don't blame her for this wretched situation she didn't make and can't prevent.

Bars still have "smoking areas" where you live? Really?

Obki · 23/10/2022 18:33

Cowardly OP never returned. Long live Poppy.