Boris Johnson vs Rishi Sunak

[colddayinhell]

I think both are awful and we should have a general election but if you had to choose between these two, who would you choose to be PM?

YANBU = Boris
YABU = Rishi

My son was born in Europe. It did not make him European. Fortunately, given the hassle and heartbreak other people have had sorting family ties out after Brexit.

Carry right on dismissing issues as much as you like, but culture and loyalties make a difference. I would also not be happy about Macron or Meloni coming over to run Britain either.

@NotNiceButNecessary would you also say then, using the same logic, Jacinda Ardern isn’t a New Zealander and shouldn’t be the PM of NZ? How far back does one have to go?

@WahineToa by the results of the local government elections, JA may not be PM of NZ after the next GE.

@NotNiceButNecessary I am fully aware that many party members think in an identical way to you so at least you are being honest. We cannot address it if we readily deny it. The problem happened when the party membership rights were changed in a way which allowed common racists to opt in en masse. It is one of the biggest mistakes they ever made as a party.

@XingMing yes they’re having it tough over there too

So @NotNiceButNecessary why alloiw Rishi to run for PM ? Should the rules exclude British South Asians from running from PM?

Rishi was raised and educated in this country. Invite some British South Asians into your home.

Wait, if you don’t consider your Europe-born son to be European, are you even British yourself?

India is in the top ten of world economies (6th and growing) whom we are currently in talks with for a trade agreement. 'Awful' or not, Britain has no choice but to work with the Modi government and to negotiate visas for Indians coming to work in the UK. Btw, we are getting a lot of trained medical and nursing staff from India.

Well, assuming you're British, you (and your son!) are both European because continents are determined by geographic tectonic plates.

Sort of. Europe isn’t a ‘real’ continent in that respect; it’s part of the same tectonic plate as Asia.

Well that's the end of that then

Yes - exciting interlude in the ongoing saga. Didn't he ask Mordaunt to pull out?

You are a racist.

Wow - @NotNiceButNecessary. Did you really post that?

This is the problem with any of the parties allowing their members a role in electing the new leader.

You end up with scumbags having immense power, just because they’ve paid their membership dues.

It should be determined by MPs who have a democratic mandate.

I'm completely shocked you've said that.

My parents were born abroad. I was born and brought up here. I am British and I find it utterly insulting that you suggest that someone with a similar experience to me is not "properly" British.

This is precisely why people should be allowed to say ignorant bigoted illogical bollocks. Then you get to realise the rest of what they said is drivel from an arsehole. If that comment gets deleted, then people who haven’t seen it yet don’t know what they’re communicating with.

free speech really shines a light!

I do wish Mumsnet would take a harder line on banning racists, even if their comments are left to stand.

My parents were born abroad. I was born and brought up here. I am British and I find it utterly insulting that you suggest that someone with a similar experience to me is not "properly" British.

I'm really interested in this because I agree, you're British. And then I think how would it work if dh and I moved to Spain and had a baby (we're both Scottish living in England) - would the baby be Italian? Just thinking out loud really on how it all works.

Wait, how on earth do you think Italians are made?

Wait, how on earth do you think Italians are made?

Ok I just added an extra layer in! Oops

You can't extrapolate polling two years into the future! That's an age in politics!

Ha, but whose blood pressure would it raise?

Reminds me of the CofE ordination candidate - not a white man - who was sidelined because he didn't believe in white privilege - he described a bizarre circumstance where one member of the hierarchy patted him on the knee and saying "but I know, as a white woman, that white privilege exists in the Church."

Not buying into identity politics does not mean being a racist.

This is like asking do I want to die of fire or drowning

Neither

General Election Now

It's Sunak or Morduant now, but almost certainly Sunak.