To think that transing young children is a medical scandal?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11342541/Dr-Az-Hakeem-says-parents-claimed-kids-trans-NHS-Tavistock-transing-factory-clinic.html

"I remember saying to them, this is madness. What we're doing is madness. These are children. These are three-year-olds."
Are we seriously saying this is ok? I feel like as a society we have gone mad, allowing this to happen to young children.

AIBU to think this is child abuse? And if you disagree how do you justify three and four year olds being transed?

So are you saying that trans kids are trans because (a) their parents have mental health issue and/or are homophobic or (b) because they ahve chromosomal abnormalities associated with a DSD?

You seem to have implied both on this thread. For me, it's (a).

And no scientist with either a biology or a medical degree would ever describe someone as 'completely intersex'. Sorry but that is absolute BS and I call BS. Scientists and doctors are trained to see the nuances between normal biological function and things going wrong. You are not demonstrating that at all with your grey areas and trying to conflate two entirely different things.

Back in around 2004 when I saw what was happening and where it would lead to I did my research. I did this because I didnt want people with dsd to be used in this way.
So I'm not trying to silence you, I'm trying to get the truth out there. I'm trying to also get women angry enough to write en mass to politicians and schools (where this utter codswallop is taught) to fight alongside me and the many many other women who have seen the same as me, those women are walking into losing so much, their children will be transed by others without the parents knowledge. Those children are being lied to, this is a massive medical malpractice in the making.
If 40 thousand detransitioners are on a reddit forum, how many thousands more haven't found it yet, how many are suffering, how much damage has already been done to girls, damage that cannot be reversed. How many children and women have to suffer until someone somewhere gains the balls to say enough now.

Dsd is a whole other thread/board, and dsd are not trans. Please will everyone who knows nothing or very little stop conflating the two.

In the meantime children right now are being badly damaged by the trans narrative. Boys cannot grow back a penis, girls cannot be unsterilized by stopping testosterone after a certain point, lower voices do not magically raise an octave or more when testosterone stops, facial hair growth is there to stay.

Puberty blockers are not a fix, bones wont increase density, brains won't mature, sterile is sterile for life.

We are doing this to children in the name of woke. We make them lifelong patients. We are sterilizing a whole generation, And we just sit on here, debating dsd.

Enough now. Let's actually do something, pop over to fwr, find your mp, email them, your kids school? Go and look at what they are teaching your children. Have to fill out a form that asks for your gender, cross it out , put my sex is, join a womens right group, plenty out there, pick one you like, pick one that speaks to you, pick one you like the colours of, It matters not, get stickering, get ribboning, just get doing something that will help women and children.

Are you getting confused with chimerism, or hermaphrodism both of which are extremely rare and are very rarely fertile so a genetic deadend. Again, nothing to do with either sexuality or gender identity (or lack of, I don't have one).

Lots of people on here are doing the above of course. And the very brave ones on twitter etc that do it under their own name are starting to have an effect I think.

Great post Moonatics. You're right - politicians, schools and medics aren't going to protect children - they're only interested in the trans groups.So women and men, parents and non parents are going to have to stand up and make a bloody fuss about this.

Any parent who transitions their 3 year old must have some sort of MH issues.

As I said up thread I do know someone who transitioned their primary school aged child (year 5 or 6).

Do I think they were wrong to do so - yes absolutely and I don’t think it should be legal.

Do I think they were abusive or had MH issues - I don’t know.

I think it’s a blurred line between having some sort of low IQ/MH and trying to do what you thinks best for your child.

I did work with a teenager who would regularly self harm and try and take their own life.
They felt they were born in the wrong body but the parents refused to acknowledge it.

I do not believe this boy had gender issues and just had issues about the way he looks but the parents not allowing him to wear nail varnish on his toes or not letting him have anything other than super short hair created much bigger issues than there needed to be.

I always think if my child is trying to commit suicide and therapy isn’t working and their MH isn’t getting any better, then I’d let them paint their bloody toenails just to try and give them some happiness.

There is no parenting manual though and it’s unless you’ve been in that situation then it’s difficult to judge.

Back in around 2004 when I saw what was happening and where it would lead to I did my research. I did this because I didnt want people with dsd to be used in this way.

I do not think there is any link between DSD (my country of origin says intersex still) and transgender.

I have not said that.

I used it as an example of how science isn’t black or white.

You are not at all unreasonable. This is the biggest medical scandal since Thalidomide. Happening before our eyes in real time

Actuall you raise a very interesting point there about the parents that do this to their young children which I think we've all thought, but aren't allowed to say. Back before the court of public opinion was beginning to see sense, you didn't see many doctors or scientists in the Daily Mail proudly displaying their 5 year old son-who-was-now-their daughter did you?

I think lack of scientific education, for whatever reason, has a lot to answer for here in the parents that have just blindly accepted the political narrative about their child being 'born in the wrong body', particularly when backed up by plain homophobia.

I've said EXACTLY the same to my DH. The gendered interests bollocks is reductive to women and harmful. It's like stepping back in time.

I loved playing with construction toys, dinky cars, muck, and had friends who were boys. As a teenager if I'd been exposed to the trans ideology would I have questioned my gender?

And what's happening to young butch lesbian's? Are they also getting pulled into thinking they are trans?

particularly when backed up by plain homophobia.

Do you think (or think the parents believe) that it’s more socially acceptable to be trans rather than be gay now?

Yes I think so in many cases. I think there were a lot of very macho, uneducated fathers out there 10/15 years ago for whom it was easier for the wife to explain 'dont worry, he's not gay, there's been a mistake and he's been born in the wrong body and should have been our daughter'

I think the same probably applies for some with religious beliefs as well.

The Mermaids woman is the obvious example of this. If I took my 15 year old abroad now to have his leg amputated because I believed he was an able bodied person who was born in the wrong body and should have been disabled I'd be rightly arrested and he'd be taken into care. Why didn't that happen to her?

Anecdotally the trans person that I know most closely had a very homophobic father. His son used to cry at school when I knew him because his dad would go in to his room and rip posters of the wall and confiscate his hair products. He also went to Thailand for the op in his early twenties and now lives with a gay man in his forties. He himself says 'I was probably just gay'.

Actually I do, yes.
Everyone is bending over backwards not to offend transgenger people, yet lesbians are told to accept cock.

@landyland tragic story about the man you knew at school. And your third paragraph about Susie Green of Mermaids is spot on. What kind of parent gets their son castrated?

It's also a trend amongst other parents of autistic kids I know - to suddenly announce their child is non binary and get masses of support on social media, through the various rainbow groups at school, online etc

No such support when the child was "just" autistic.

We've all been so naive about this. In wanting to "be kind" and accepting, as a society we've allowed harmful beliefs to be sold to children. They're ill equipped to assess the accuracy of things they're told by adults, especially when it's from people they're meant to trust - the levels of social contagion are off the scale. For many it will be a passing fad that they'll shrug off as they mature but for those vulnerable for many reasons, they're setting off on a terrible journey leading to sterility, limited adult relationships and a life long need for drugs and surgery.

But of course the slightly older kids will have been primed by online sources to say they are suicidal in order to bully their parents into getting them on waiting lists for puberty blockers.

This is the only movement where children have been prepped to ask for their own amputations and threaten to kill themselves if they don't get it.

This.
Can't be said too many times.

Agreed and would be worth reporting any posts where someone has asked this.

Agreed, also worth mentioning the influence and pressure of social media on young people. Suddenly there is all this stuff that they are exposed to that they maybe never have never considered before and in the confusion and desire to fit in they can find themselves being sucked in. When DC was in Y7 suddenly everyone was identifying as one thing or another on their social media profiles. Some were doing this without a true understanding of what it actually meant and making bold statements about their sexuality purely for attention and drama in true teen fashion. My DC found it really overwhelming at the time, imagine the peer pressure to nail your colours to the mast so to speak at age 12.

There is no such thing as a 'trans' child and there is no 'transition'. The child remains the same child and changing the name or clothes is just that: a name change and change of dress and in some cases, use of other-sex pronouns as we know them. This may be done in aid of imposing a misleading notion and pretence that the child can and does change to something other than what is. Changing a name is just a name change and should not legitimise a dubious notion and use of a term for something that doesn't and shouldn't exist for children.

The law provides for a process for adults to follow specific procedures and requirements which constitute 'transition', leading to a change of legal sex. That law - and the process ('transition') - does not apply to children. Why might that be? And why does anyone want to pretend and speak as if it does?

That law - and the process ('transition') - does not apply to children. Why might that be? And why does anyone want to pretend and speak as if it does?

The reasons why children have been so relentlessly targeted by adult transitioners make for some uncomfortable discussions. Recent revelations about paedophile apologists and adults with porn obsessions embedded in the Mermaids charity is just the tip of a safeguarding nightmare.

If you look at the background of some of the adults that the government (via the Women & Equalities Committee, the DfE and others) have "consulted with" in recent years, it makes for uncomfortable reading. You'll find people who (while entitled to their views / behaviours in their personal lives) are unsuitable to influence schools and safeguarding children - especially when their efforts focus on removing single sex spaces and aspects of safeguarding from vulnerable children.