Liz Truss has resigned. Part 3: The Return of the King?

[sunnydaytoday0]

Continuation from last thread.

By Monday we could have a new prime minister, and by next Friday at the latest.

Will Sunak win this time, or could Johnson get his old job back? Would the Tory members once again go against the wishes of the MPs?

And yes I think Johnson sees himself as some sort of world king..

Shouldn’t even be a question. We need a GE.

I'm here for the poll updates.

I'm in camp Anyone But Mordaunt, given that she she's TrussLite economically but a mad TWAWist ideologically. Fuck that shit.

Yes we do.

Really hard to know. It’s down to whether Johnson can get 100 MPs as he’d probably beat Sunak if a vote

Other countries have governments. The UK has Tory popularity contests.

Place is a fucking joke.

The Tories have a few problems. One they must hang together. Two they must recover their economic credibility. Three, they have to ensure that the problems of decision making in their leadership are solved.

They have become addicted to a running commentary.

Johnson looks exciting, but of course he comes with all the same problems. Terrible decision making. Lying. Being basically shop soiled. Ignores his MPs.

Sunak - credible. Can face the economic problems (he did predict what would happen, even if that is not a sparkling insight).

Mordaunt - well she is okay. Honestly I don't really think she can show economic credibility though.

An interesting one because if Johnson is in the last two, then the membership will go for him. But he would need to get not 100 but a lot more to command all his MPs.

Thanks for the new thread.

Highly recommend everyone listening to the latest (dropped last night) The Rest Is Politics podcast, much of this debate is lacking any balance so it’s refreshing to hear 2 people from different sides of the political spectrum respectfully discuss the issues. Safe to say though that neither Alistair or Tory are fans of Boris or Liz!

twitter.com/restispolitics/status/1583200066906468352?s=61&t=twlC5AU5O5PQZYLRh9ejMg

Johnson looks “exciting”? Jesus wept.

Please excuse the repeat but the ends of threads die a death.
ILeclercreturn · Today 10:47

For a country that had to 'Brexit' because the EU was not democratic enough it seems there are a lot of very undemocratic procedures being used and the whole thing is a circus engineered to cause maximum instability in the financial markets. Apart from the profits the hedge funders are making it is further killing off any chance of recovery by the UK as all government heads worldwide are watching this fiasco with ever increasing disbelief. World trade relies on stability and 'compliance' meaning that if anyone wants to sell to the UK they need to know they will be paid and that anything the UK might sell is actually what was specified. The damage to the UK's international reputation is immense, far beyond the immediate headlines. Loo at people who still criticise Blair. That was many years ago and yet it is not forgotten but used as a 'reason' not to vote Labour. this principle works the other way round. The UK is proving itself untrustworthy which will be used against the UK for decades.

@MrsSkylerWhite - that is not a personal view. He excites Tory members

Sunak seems the best of a bad bunch but will he achieve unity in the party? There seems to be plenty in there who would rather lose the next GE than knuckle down to get the country through this instability.

Imagine trying to explain the past year in politics to a non-Brit who had no idea about what's gone on. We used to mock banana republics for less.

LexMitior · Today 10:50
@MrsSkylerWhite - that is not a personal view. He excites Tory members“

i appreciate that.
Jesus wept that he should still “excite” Tory members. Just how stupid are they?

There is no unity candidate, whoever is picked will be loved by some and hated by others. Right now it needs to be “most experienced, least worse” option and that is Rishi from what I can see.

They are extremely stupid. They voted for Truss. They economically illiterate

I’d put those qualities and add who can do best at next GE

@IILeclercreturn
Absolutely !! The long term damage to the credibility of the UK (& its likely break up next Oct with IndyRef2) is incalculable & will take decades to recover from.

I don't think there's any candidate that can fix what's going on with the Tory party. They're ungovernable.

LexMitior · Today 10:54
They are extremely stupid. They voted for Truss. They economically illiterate“

So it seems but they’re being allowed to vote again (assuming more than one candidate) 🤯

In what universe should that be allowed?

GE, only solution.

Placemarking and thanks for the new thread.

Agree with LeClerc that a lot of what’s happening, destabilising the economy, is simply so those in the right position can profit from the peaks and troughs. The overall direction is downwards but heaps of money can be skimmed off in the process, and that’s really what the last six years have been all about.

List of the Tory MPs in safest seats (and should survive a GE):
Rishi Sunak
Andrew Jones
Andrew Percy
Edward Leigh
Victoria Atkins
Caroline Johnson
Matt Warman
Gareth Davies
John Hayes
Alicia Kearns
Duncan Baker
Liz Truss
Steve Barclay
Luke Evans
Chris Heaton-Harris
Gavin Williamson
Philip Dunne
Bill Wiggin
Kemi Badenoch
Giles Watling
Nadhim Zahawi
Nigel Huddleston
Luke Hall
James Gray
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown
Laura Farris
Greg Smith
Joy Morrissey
John Whittingdale
Mark Francois
Alex Burghart
Rebecca Harris
Paul Beresford
Jeremy Hunt
Michael Gove
Damian Hinds
Flick Drummond
Ranil Jayawardena
Julian Lewis
Desmond Swayne
Christopher Chope
Simon Hoare
Michael Tomlinson
Chris Loder
Marcus Fysh
Selaine Saxby
Scott Mann
Wendy Morton

It is however a bit more complex than this as this is based on the current boundaries. The boundary review (from May) should favour the Conservatives far more. And there will be MPs who will already be looking for new constituencies (Tatton is due to be abolished for example - thats Esther McVey).

From BBC:
On the whole, areas that have done well economically in recent years will have more MPs - and so more of a say in the House of Commons - whereas the areas that have done less well will have fewer MPs.

So, for example, Buckinghamshire, including Milton Keynes, currently has seven constituencies. Under the proposals it would have eight.

And neighbouring Oxfordshire would go from six constituencies to seven.

On the other hand, the area covered by County Durham, South Tyneside and Sunderland sees its allocation fall from 11 seats to 10

Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire still look reasonably good for the Tories though it would depend on where the new constituencies are exactly. But it does mean there are going to be a couple of interesting new seats up for grabs and there WILL be something of a prospective seat shake up coming in May anyway. Easier to shift critical MPs around if needed with this opportunity (cough Johnson if he becomes PM again).

So it does make a big difference when a new GE is called.

But the list above is interesting in terms of who survives and who you just can't get rid of no matter what.

If the worst did happen to the Tories this is the most likely core group to rebuild the party from, which is interesting in its own right. Interesting options for a post wipe out shadow cabinet there! There are lots of big names who would leave politics I'm sure.

There are also big economic problems facing the country.

One of the things that Truss did in her short time was to embolden the extreme elements in her party. She may have been removed but they have not.

I know people get distracted by his ridiculous suits but you have really got to look at Mogg. He is very extreme and is the business secretary. That is not too good for the UK. He is backing Johnson. He couldn't have done it quicker.

The Tories are going to have to decide what kind of economy they want. At the moment their policies are going to make a lot of voters poor. In two years, that will be obvious unless there is a seriously radical change of direction.

Mark Francois has one of the safest Tory seats.

I rest my case.

Indeed this!

Threads title makes me want to sob 😭