Liz Truss has resigned. Part 3: The Return of the King?

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Continuation from last thread.

By Monday we could have a new prime minister, and by next Friday at the latest.

Will Sunak win this time, or could Johnson get his old job back? Would the Tory members once again go against the wishes of the MPs?

And yes I think Johnson sees himself as some sort of world king..

No he did not get Brexit done. He was in the process of tearing up his own fucking deal when he was pushed out. And given the utter shitshow that the whole thing has been why on EARTH would anyone praise him for the consequences of any split that there has been to date? Has he sorted out the issues for SMEs with regard to the customs issues? - NO. Has he buggered up things even more for fishermen and farmers? YES. Has he solved the jeopardy to research funding? NO. Has he solved the problems for Northern Ireland that his recklessness caused? NO, he most certainly has not. In what meaningful sense could anybody say that he has Brexit done?

Lol, missed this one yesterday. Careful you don't cringe so hard you pull a muscle:

James Duddridge MP
I hope you enjoyed your holiday boss. Time to come back. Few issues at the office that need addressing. #bringbackboris

Wallace rules himself out and says he's 'leaning' towards Johnson. Which perhaps suggests he might be swayed by Sunak in exchange for more defence spending.

Wallace 'leans towards Johnson if he runs'.

Worth remembering that Wallace endorsed Truss, so his reputation for being the last sensible Tory is dubious at best.

Come on Conservative MPs. They need to start saying loudly and repetitively that Johnson is a REALLY BAD IDEA and that they won't work with him. Otherwise we'll end up with him and his illegality and disasters again. I can't bear it

The markets have reacted to Johnson candidacy with a resounding NO. In the end it's not you or I, or the conservative party that will ultimately decide on a new leader, or indeed a GE, it's the markets. And that, to me, is even more unpalatable, so much for democracy.

I’m sorry, he excites Tory members? Christ, they need to get out more.

We need another General Election, this is just a piss take

So a by election will be happening in Chester given the news of its MP resigning, should be interesting what happens given the polls.

Contrast Labour dealing with that Chester MP with how Johnson dealth with Pincher.

Not picking on notdaddycool on her other points but the mention of 'Brexit being done' is very far from the truth. Brexit itself is just a marker point in a long running drama. Referring back to the Westminsterenders threads that have been running for years the 'soap' of Brexit will run for a lot longer than Eastenders on TV. Brexit was the equivalent of ripping an elastoplast off that was covering an 'injury' but what is now revealed is gangrene and cancer where the fabric of the UK is under attack on many fronts. The dalliance since Thatchers time was a 'wrong turn' which allowed the structure of the UK as manufacturer was lost because there was no investment in people or 'society'. Selling the aspects that the UK was good at, to foreign companies without an eye on maintaining 'loyalty' to the UK people. The Tory philosophy has been in evidence since and probably before the slave trade for sugar and cotton. Some get ridiculously wealthy and by fair means and foul they rule the country. Note that when slavery was 'abolished' it as the slave owners that were p compensation for their 'loss' of slaves paid by taxes on the poor of the UK. This principle has hardly changed, if at all. Bankers get bailed out when they make a mess and none go to prison. Brexiteers love to point their fingers at others (particularly Europeans) and mock whenthey have a problem without understanding the huge problems the UK will face to get out of the mess it is in. For every piece of legislation that is changed in JRMoggs attempt to discredit and diverge from the EU there are multiple layers of very serious problems with conformity, equivalence and the legal implications of diverging from any of it not only with the EU but from all other countries too. Taking the eggs out of a sponge cake is easy compared to the difficulties the UK now faces. The requirements for biometric ID and visas to travel to the EU from May(March?) next year is just a small bump in the road which will be very visible because of the long delays. While the circus is in town now, the vital work behind the scenes is not being done although Statutory Instruments that will badly affect many in the UK are quietly getting signed off without parliamentary scrutiny. The UK legal system is being hollowed out from inside.

Sir Roger Gale has just said on BBC Politics Live that he will absoluetely resign the whip if Johnson became PM again. He has a strong track record he doesn't think Johnson is fit for office. He is adamant that he will not change his mind.

Completely emphantic about it.

Vom

So many revolting little Uriah Heeps in that party.

I just heard that. I think like Roger Gale, bit will see if I can learn a bit more about him. I like the cut of his jib though.

I'm starting to get a bit too giddy about Johnson winning it, his 'honeymoon' period resulting in a sub-10 point bounce and the party realising it has no strategy left to make up the rest of the 30 point gap with Labour.

Why is it the Tories better people are stuck on the back benches. Charles Walker, Robert Gale... I don't know an awful lot about them. But a grey old boring MP would be a good bet right now. They would be the stability the party and the country needs.

He didn't get Brexit done. Brexit is by no means done. What about the protocol?

Thing is, he is unlikely to stand again due to his age.

Sounds like he properly had enough mind.

I'm concerned...it could go one of two ways if BJ is elected. Either the party becomes too massively divided, enough MPs take action and cross the floor forcing a GE.

Or the party contributes to govern with a majority, the idiot voters who love BJ are delighted (you can see them all over SM, they've been shy this last 6 weeks but now are emboldened again) BJ makes a few popular decisions throwing money our way and Tories sail through the next election and we are stuck with them indefinitely.

Brexit isn’t done, but its malign influence is destroying the country from the inside out (economic and social damage) and the outside in (ridicule and contempt on the world stage).

The second outcome is dependent on the extremely unlikely possibility that Johnson can go more than a few weeks without a position-threatening scandal that reminds everyone why his presonal ratings were so poor when he left office.

I love the title of this thread

Lunchtime Update:

Sunak 62
Johnson 57
Mordaunt 20
39% declared.

Looks like Mordaunt is likely out at this point.

It also looks extremely likely that we will see a second round .

The weekend will be a debate over the suitability of Johnson for office. Given the reason we are even having this contest, thats insanity and indicative of the party.

It is impossible for even the likes of the Mail to avoid asking that question all weekend.

This is even more damage to the Party, whether they realise it or not.

Checking in. Goodness knows where we'll be at by Monday. It's going to be quite a weekend.

Because in recent years the Tories have stacked their cabinets with sycophants and cheerleaders instead of taking the Thatcher/Major model of keeping the many factions happy by ensuring a broad representation with the best minds in office.