Liz Truss has resigned. Part 3: The Return of the King?

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Continuation from last thread.

By Monday we could have a new prime minister, and by next Friday at the latest.

Will Sunak win this time, or could Johnson get his old job back? Would the Tory members once again go against the wishes of the MPs?

And yes I think Johnson sees himself as some sort of world king..

Agreed. It's why I always push back against a narrative of "All Tories are bad", or "All Labour are Loons". In fact, the majority of MP's of whichever brand, are generally (not always, but generally) solid decent folk, genuinely working for their constituents and country. It's a shame that all those that seek cabinet positions (power), are generally not those that should have it. Always the way.

FFS - I despair.

The gall of Liz Truss compiling an Honours List.

No fucking shame that one.

@ILeclercreturn - you are spot on. Particularly on the statutory instruments.

She should go for broke and just knight the whole IEA team.

Cheeky fucker. Anyone on this list should decline.

Bookies odds
Ladbrokes and William Hill have Rishi at 5/6 and Boris at evens.
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The petition for a GE is picking up pace - over 7000 signatures in the last hour. This is one of only a couple of ways we can prove public appetite for an election really. The other is to physically go out and protest, but the MSM tends not to report on protests much anymore.

The MSM almost exclusively do not report on protests, and if they do they downplay it to the point of outrageous lies. It’s somethings that has greatly shocked me over the last couple of years.

Tory membership

"We registered Archie, our pet tortoise, as a member; a couple of foreign nationals; then Margaret Roberts, the maiden name of the late Lady Thatcher.

"The Conservative Party took the £25 membership fee. We got membership numbers and were invited to hustings."

twitter.com/tortoise/status/1583386704710230016?t=JU2RNq7jdHtDV9PtGl21Uw&s=19

Some interesting new polling. Labour now leads in all areas, even how it would respond to Ukraine. Which seems odd, but that's how much overall unpopularity affects choices.

Redfield & Wilton Strategies
22m
Labour leads the Conservatives for voters' trust in ALL policy areas.

Which party do voters trust the most on...? (Labour | the Conservatives)

The NHS (49% | 13%)

Tackling poverty (49% | 11%)

Manage the economy (43% | 15%)

Immigration (37% | 17%)

Ukraine (31% | 23%)

She should put Kwasi on the list for taking the hit for her. Then he can at least go to the Lords after the next election...

MPs are now suggesting that even if Boris Johnson wins, things will quickly disintegrate.

^Tories predicting mass resignations, meaning Truss would be unable to tell King Charles III that he commands the confidence of a majority of MPs twitter.com/CatNeilan/status/1583422713624133632?t=iuwHpYEa4bbycT04qwj3Gg&s=19^

I bet there are some stonking tabloid stories in the pipeline for this weekend! Johnson vs Sunak is going to be the dirtiest of battles. It has all the necessary components : betrayal of trust, defeat, unspoken criticism, unresolved tensions, unexpected resurrection of battlefield. They have a week to completely dismantle one another.

Can she give Boris some sort of title so he has to resign his seat?
I'll admit I'm rather clutching at the last straw with that idea.

@BigWoollyJumpers 100% agree. I refuse to go along with the "all Tories are evil/all Labour are communists" narrative - the overwhelming majority of all parties are good people who want to serve their country, the differences are in how they go about getting to the same end result.

It all comes back to the "bus stop" analogy I heard a while ago about choosing who to vote for - a bus is not a taxi, it doesn't stop right outside your house take you to your exact destination at the exact time you want it to. You catch the bus that takes you the closest to your end goal. Political parties are the same, you will never find one that you agree 100% with so you pick the one that takes you the closest to where you want to go.

Yes indeed. They care about having yes women and men and "rising stars" and not about those who would actually do a good job.

Redtoothbrush can I ask where you are getting your figures from and they are much larger than those on the BBC
(not doubting you at all- I have much respect for you from all the Covid stats threads- just curious)

It certainly looks like it could go that way. Those who cross the floor know it will be the end of the party for a long long time, so they have to be properly on board.

They are giving notice to MPs to strongly reconsider whether JOhnson is a good idea over the weekend. Expect a lot more of this.

Thanks LexMitior.
I blame RTB (and her band of Westminsterenders) for the interest in the reasons the UK is and will have problems. Some of the 'old gang' have dropped by the wayside or taken new names. Out af all the Tories I feel that Theresa May would have the greatest credibility in world (particularly EU) standing as she did understand many of the important issues but was prevented from exploring a pragmatic approach by the ERG. In depth analysis of Brexit from an EU and other countries perspective would be fascinating if only you have the time to read and follow it all. UK press of all flavours is usually too UK centric for obvious reasons so you have to stand outside to see the picture.

Gilt yields rising sharply at the prospect of a Johnson premiership. The markets don't like him either.

Guido Fawkes website.

You can say what you like about it, but they do know the Tories well, and it would be difficult for them to openly say a name without that person being onboard.

In the past, its generally been there or there abouts for internal stuff like this. Sometimes its a useful site even though it has a clear agenda / bias.

Whether a person is lying to inflate figures and then will vote for someone else is another matter. (And this does sometimes happen). And in my honest opinion I don't think it would benefit Johnson to be over inflating him too much anyway. Sunak we know is liable to get at least close to what he had in the earlier contest this year and that should see him into the second round so there isn't the same sort of issue.

The site are including a number of anonymous backers but as I stated above they are largely irrelevant now in terms of numbers given those who are apparently openly declared - other candidates just aren't going to get close.

I would say we could yet see another scenario - Johnson does backdown from standing, if someone says he will destroy the party. That might get interesting as Sunak may or may not get a rival. But I don't think this likely given his ego

The media are addicted to him and clearly a lot of Tory party members love him. But everyone else, the bulk of the electorate? The markets. Not so much. It's crackers.

Croque and Sleepless have raised good points. The plan is to have the most visible circus possible to provide cover for 'dirty deeds' which the ERG/Tufton street gang want to see put on the statute books to cement their control. Sleepless could (if she were interested) make a 'dummy' portfolio which tracks the markets for the last few weeks so for example a nominal £100 placed at the time Johnson 'departed' with a chart of the progress that investment has made since. This is what J R Mogg (or one of the actual brains employed at Somerset Capital) will have been doing all along) (conveniently located both in and out of the EU (depending which profits get declared). Me, I am not clever enough for that and I am supposed to be working anyway.

We're all being played
It's just a big game
Boz gets to shine
And Sunak gets the blame

Don't do it Rishi.

Sunak backers are now retweeting resignation letters from people who left the johnson cabinet and are now, mysteriously, backing him again. Let battle commence.