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To not want DD’s boyfriend’s child in my house

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

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DodgyLeftLeg · 22/10/2022 20:34

I would tell DD she needs to quit that job. Reason given is it’s unsocial hours leaving her tired when she needs to do studying to get grades for Uni. Given cocklodger doesn’t drive and you said you live rurally I presume she has to pay for a taxi at midnight (£££) or can drive and is using your car? Use the Oz money to subsidise her spends until this blows over and she can think about getting another one maybe.

Get her away from him in all ways. There’ll be also sort of plotting going on at work. She’s spending far too time with him anyway for someone her age, cocklodger or not.

Noviembre · 22/10/2022 20:41

Christ. He's a loser and he's got his claws in. Free accomodation and free childcare! Ban the fucker from your house and hope to god your daughter sees sense.

MemorableName · 22/10/2022 20:42

crostina1 · 22/10/2022 20:08

@Badger1970 Yes it is good for me and I expect he’ll drop my DD as soon as another prospect comes along but he’s got her on the backburner and she’s still very much ‘in love’ with him and wants to be around him 24/7 so even though he’s banned from the house my DD is now letting him destroy her head so I’m concerned as to what lengths she’ll go to to prove she’s ‘worthy’ of a relationship with him. A baby, giving him money etc etc 😥

Enough. Stop fucking catastrophising and living vicariously though your daughters first love turmoil.
Shes 17 and getting dumped, cheated on, heartbroken or having an unrequited love, grim as it is, is completely normal rite of passage for every single one of us.

No wonder she isn’t concentrating on her studies, you are as emotionally invested in this relationship as she is. Take some deep breaths. Be practical, be calm, get her to a clinic , get her some long term contraception.

MemorableName · 22/10/2022 20:46

beastlyslumber · 22/10/2022 20:17

Agree with pp she needs to be checked for stds. Poor girl. It's good she is confiding in you, OP. He sounds very calculating and knows that by withdrawing from your DD he will be driving her insane and strengthening his hold over her. Could you maybe advise her to "play hard to get" - maybe look at Matthew Hussey videos on YouTube with her and talk about what her behaviour should be to get what she thinks she wants. I know it sounds counter intuitive but I'm thinking that focusing on building her self esteem and self respect will allow her to genuinely realise her own worth.

It’s likely he’s not a manipulative abusive mastermind. Just a feckless but good looking 22 yr old that likes to shag about.

Mummyoflittledragon · 22/10/2022 20:48

Meagainalready · 22/10/2022 19:27

That isn’t kind. You can’t compare and rate grief nor can you dictate how someone approaches their grief.
And as you say, we parent to the best of our abilities. Who knows what ability either of them have with all else they have going on and whose to say the parenting they are doing isn’t good enough? You seem so critical for someone listing various disorders that themselves come under fire and criticism for being excuses.

Ouch. Well that totally misrepresents the sentiment I was trying to get across. I failed to mention ongoing disability and undergoing 3 major surgeries, none of which can come under fire and criticism for being excuses.

Bekindnotarsey · 22/10/2022 20:51

OP, does your DD know the Mother of the baby? I wonder if it is worth them both meeting up, the babies Mum maybe able to shed some light on to what J is really like.

beastlyslumber · 22/10/2022 21:05

MemorableName · 22/10/2022 20:46

It’s likely he’s not a manipulative abusive mastermind. Just a feckless but good looking 22 yr old that likes to shag about.

He doesn't have to be a mastermind, or even clever, just a narcissist. They all do this.

crowsfeet57 · 22/10/2022 21:07

OP Is your daughter clear that he isn't going to be moving in with you when he gets thrown out of his mate's place?

Mummyoflittledragon · 22/10/2022 21:11

I agree with the trip to Aus and extricating your dd from this man. Banning him from the house is a start. But the end goal is to remove him from your dd’s life. Personally I wouldn’t be waiting to see if he gets bored of your dd. She thinks she’s in love with him and is suffering from limerence/ infatuation www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/limerence by the sound of it. From my personal, excruciatingly painful experience, this can last an awfully long time.

I think your dd needs a lot of love, guidance and support for this pain. Right now she is prepared to allow herself to be treated abysmally and I understand the desperation.

My dd hasn’t had a boyfriend yet but my advice to her friend, who asked for advice is not to make yourself an option. Only accept first choice. My dd is a couple of years younger but my thoughts right now is that if she were in a similar situation, I would encourage her to treat this as a break up and possibly even tell her she needs to stop working there. She’s at a crucial time in her studies and the late hours don’t seem conducive to study so it makes sense all round.

Fraaahnces · 22/10/2022 21:29

Can you not have a word with your DD’s boss about this guy? Mention his habit, the fact that he’s sponging off her (exaggerate if necessary) and attempting to move into your home by stealth where he is unwanted, unwelcome and incredibly destabilizing to your DD, her disabled father and brother and yourself who is utterly beside herself with worry. Perhaps he could arrange to have them working opposite shifts, and/or put him on with some desperate slapper he wouldn’t be sad to see the back of.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 22/10/2022 21:43

Have you raised the topic of STIs with her? If he's not exclusive that's even more of a worry. Does she want to carry the taint of him for the rest of her life?

altmember · 22/10/2022 22:02

When people (who've led their 'partner' on) backtrack and decide they don't want an exclusive relationship, it's generally not simply to keep the door open for another new opportunity, it's usually because they're already sleeping with someone else. Once someone has told their partner that, then the partner should immediately assume that this person is sleeping around. It's basically a way of saying "I'm cheating on you", without actually using those words.

Explain this to dd, and tell her she must insist on using condoms, because she's no idea who else he's dipping his wick into. Hopefully she's repulsed enough by the thought of him shagging around that it puts her off the idea of sex with him completely. Although be aware it can often have the opposite effect - leaving her trying to compete for him, especially with someone so young and naïve in relationship.

Does she (or you) actually know where he's going when he's not at yours?

Also point out to her that getting pregnant by him isn't going to snare him into commitment - just look at the relationship he has with his existing child for proof of that. He'll run away.

Welshmonster · 22/10/2022 22:08

If he is being made homeless by friend, can he go to the council for emergency accommodation.

you really run the risk of alienating DD but you are still their responsible adult and if she is not focused on school work this will have such an impact on rest of her life. She can’t see it yet and may hate you but don’t let him round to your house at all. Especially if he won’t leave.
takeaways are expensive and so he could use that money to pay his way.

if he wants to stay over then start charging him money like Airbnb. He’ll think again

crostina1 · 22/10/2022 22:27

She’s obsessed with getting him to want her, she’s embarrassed because she presumed that after everything they were together and she told all her friends they were etc. I think he’s deliberately playing with her head so see what she will do out of desperation. Despite what a PP said I am not living vicariously through this situation nor am I catastrophising, I don’t want this. I want an easy life and a DD pursuing her dream of being a paramedic. She is genuinely dangerously invested in this man and his life with homelessness and child etc. I am worried about her savings, there’s £5000 from both her job and grandparents. I may suggest I take them off her and say I will put them in a special investment account (I wouldn’t actually risk them and invest them, that would just be to convince DD) then when J is gone give them back with a bit of a top up.

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ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 22/10/2022 22:31

This is only the first of many, many embarassments he will cause if she stays with him.

You really need to force her to quit that job, as others have said. And I'd give the pub owner a call too and let him know that this waster is preying on underage girls at his establishment.

crostina1 · 22/10/2022 22:40

DD still intends to see J. In fact is determined to. He is banned from here and he can’t have guests at his mates. She refuses to disclose where she’d spend her nights with him after I enforced the ‘J stays one night a week only’ rule. I suspect at some dodgy mate of J’s, roaming around outside or a Travellodge (which is the best option but I suppose maybe DD is embarrassed to admit to me that she pays for Travellodges only to be used for sex).

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BadNomad · 22/10/2022 22:45

Are you for real... How can you say he's banned from the house, then say he can stay one night a week? Ridiculous.

YukoandHiro · 22/10/2022 22:46

This is good OP. Does she have any friends who are concerned? Can you encourage her to spend time with them?
It's normal to be obsessed with someone at that age. Let's hope he treats her like absolute shit so that she wises up quickly.

Now he's not allowed to stay over/in the house he'll move on v quickly. Classic user.

crostina1 · 22/10/2022 22:46

@BadNomad

No, I initially said one night a week and have since banned him due to further piss-taking

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BadNomad · 22/10/2022 22:48

Did they ever stick to "one night a week"? He's so disgusting. I don't know how she can think he's anything but. That girl is not mature enough to be in any kind of relationship.

DaughterofDawn · 22/10/2022 22:54

Sorry my american is going to show. What is a piss take?

lamaze1 · 22/10/2022 23:03

@DaughterofDawn knowingly taking advantage of someone/ people

Noodge · 22/10/2022 23:04

DaughterofDawn · 22/10/2022 22:54

Sorry my american is going to show. What is a piss take?

Being cheeky. As in 'He's taking the piss' by overstaying his welcome, taking advantage, taking too much off someone=piss take. :)

Francelover · 22/10/2022 23:04

As I read this I thought that he very likely has some kind of 'issues'.
I work for a homeless Charity and this sounds very familiar.
Take care,it's not an easy situation to deal with.
I was in a relationship at 14 with an 18 year old whom I ended up marrying and having children with.( similar scenario,parents didn't like him)
He wasn't as bad as this guy sounds but I did end up divorcing him aged 40.

lamaze1 · 22/10/2022 23:06

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