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To not want DD’s boyfriend’s child in my house

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

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MeowMeowPowerRangers · 19/10/2022 14:45

YANBU.

I would be making sure DD is on the implant or something to make sure she doesn't end up having a baby herself with J.
Why can't J go to the council and into a hostel?

ShineOnYouLikeMorningStar · 19/10/2022 14:47

He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever

I think it's pretty clear what kind of plans he's making. Have you/would you be prepared to sit down with your DD & go through a budget with her, show her what sort of accommodation they could afford on their joint income. How much money it would leave them with for bills, heating, clothes, food etc. Point out that she'd probably be the one going out to earn most of it while he stays home, doing what? And they'd have to save up for clothes, toys, presents etc for the child too, because unless the child's father is going to give him no xmas/birthday presents ever, it'll be coming out of the family budget.

Has she thought of further education? A career? Or is she happy to continue working where she is for the forseeable future? What if she gets pregnant herself, she'll be tied to him then, how much CMS does he pay the mother of his child, & how much would he support her financially or practically if their relationship broke down?

I also think it's very interesting that the first time the poor child comes over, on one of his few contact days, the dad pissed off out. Obviously not very interested in his son & just wanted someone to watch the little one. Your poor DD is being taken for a right mug. Sad

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 19/10/2022 14:48

The takeaways at 3am alone would have me banning overnights. He can come round twice a week (childfree) but leaves at 11pm each night.

Fuck that.

Fraaahnces · 19/10/2022 14:49

I love how they are using the word “grandchild” already and assuming you’d love it. Explain that you are NOT ready to be a grandma. FUCK THAT NOISE!!! I think you need to have a quiet word to J alone, tbh. Even better, get a rather large bloke to have a private word.

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:49

@MeowMeowPowerRangers.

Exactly, why can’t he? I am sorry if I offended anybody with my mental health comment but I didn’t mean it in the sense that I don’t believe mental health problems are genuine. I’ve been PT with anxiety before, but I had a husband working full-time and we were still able to keep a roof over our heads. I took the time off to recover.

The situation with J is different. He is quickly hurtling towards homelessness. Rather than looking for support with his MH to enable him to support himself or making proper plans for accommodation when his mate does throw him out, he is taking advantage of my teenage daughter. I’ve no sympathy.

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TheUsualChaos · 19/10/2022 14:50

@upanddownandupanddown I completely understand where you are coming from but regardless of whether his issues are genuine or not, unfortunately there absolutely are people out there that use mental health as an excuse to work the bare minimum they can. It's very convenient as no one can really argue with it or tell them they are wrong. It's extremely insulting to people who genuinely suffer with mental health problems.

OP, just to echo others. Set the boundaries very firmly. Make it as difficult for him as possible. Hopefully it won't be long before he drops DD when he realises he can't use her for free accommodation and childcare.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 19/10/2022 14:51

It's probably worth a discussion with dd regarding contraception to check she has arranged this for herself.

No way would I be happy being Grandma to my own grandchild when it's mum is so young, let alone playing grandma to a strangers child!

pinkpotatoez · 19/10/2022 14:52

22 year old dating a 17 year old is weird in itself. What in the world does a 22 year old dad have in common with someone who's just sat their GCSEs. Get him away from your daughter, she's way too young to be in this mess of a relationship and to be a 'step parent'. The ex is weird for letting a random GIRL take her child out too.

anotherdayanotherpathlesstravelled · 19/10/2022 14:52

upanddownandupanddown · 19/10/2022 14:40

Sorry. I couldn’t get past the fact you said he can’t work more then 15 hours a week because of his ‘mental health’. I can only
work three days a week because of my mental health; mental health problems are real and can be really limiting to someone’s life. So for that, YABU.

And lots of people also self diagnose MH problems, refuse any form of treatment and just use the title of "having MH issues" to avoid the responsibilities of being an adult

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:53

I’d bet money he wants to get my DD pregnant unfortunately. Classic cocklodger tactic, I’ve seen it happen with my friends.

Based on what DD has told me about the ex, and reading between the lines, I believe that’s what he did with her. He was sofa surfing, met her at work, she was pregnant within a few weeks and the next thing you know they were in a flat but she threw him out when the baby was born. According to DD she went psycho after the baby and wanted the baby to herself and that’s why she threw him out. Sure, sure.

My DD is quite naive and I could wring the bastard’s neck, as could DH.

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RosetteNebula · 19/10/2022 14:54

YANBU. He sounds like a waste of space cocklodger and I wouldn't allow him in my house full stop. I stayed over at my first bf's parents house a lot when I was in my late teens (2-3 nights a week) but I helped out with housework and caring for their many animals. He sounds beyond rude and I hope your DD sees the light soon and gets rid.

RosetteNebula · 19/10/2022 14:54

I’d bet money he wants to get my DD pregnant unfortunately. Classic cocklodger tactic, I’ve seen it happen with my friends.

I thought this too.

TeaAndJaffacakes · 19/10/2022 14:55

The best thing for your DD would be a couple of hours chatting with the ex! But I don’t think there’s a way to engineer that that would lead to a calm open chat between them unfortunately.

RebeccaRose92 · 19/10/2022 14:56

@crostina1 this sounds like my sons dad! Lol

viques · 19/10/2022 14:56

I think you need to be stricter with the sleepovers, if he comes over he either eats with you or he and dd order a takeaway at a reasonable . (Also make sure he is not staying in the house the next day while everyone goes out. )

I would try to persuade dd to have an implant or a coil , 17 year olds are not the best at remembering oral contraceptives.

Make sure any other feet under the table moves are stamped out immediately, eg doing his washing, having a key, having stuff delivered, storing belongings.

Be pleasant , but make it clear that neither he nor his child are moving in to your house, and that when/if he stays he abides by your house rules.

pinkpotatoez · 19/10/2022 14:57

@crostina1 I wouldn't be surprised if your DD wants to get pregnant, she already thought you may like being a strangers GPConfused

BigSandyBalls2015 · 19/10/2022 14:57

Without sound like I'm benefit bashing, which absolutely isn't my intention. I wonder if the working 15 hours a week max is to be able to claim certain benefits.

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:58

I tried to ban him from the house at first but then they’d disappear for the nignt. They wouldn’t have gone to the mates house as he isn’t allowed guests. And DD won’t tell me where they went, I’d rather know she’s safe under my roof than out god knows where with this man in the early hours.

I’m preparing myself for her to get pregnant but hoping she’ll wise up and get rid of him first.

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MeowMeowPowerRangers · 19/10/2022 14:58

I would just refuse to have him in the house. "No DD J isn't welcome in my house."

End of the day, I'm sure she's a lot more intelligent than she's acting right now she will understand.

ShineOnYouLikeMorningStar · 19/10/2022 14:58

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:53

I’d bet money he wants to get my DD pregnant unfortunately. Classic cocklodger tactic, I’ve seen it happen with my friends.

Based on what DD has told me about the ex, and reading between the lines, I believe that’s what he did with her. He was sofa surfing, met her at work, she was pregnant within a few weeks and the next thing you know they were in a flat but she threw him out when the baby was born. According to DD she went psycho after the baby and wanted the baby to herself and that’s why she threw him out. Sure, sure.

My DD is quite naive and I could wring the bastard’s neck, as could DH.

In that case you heed to have a frank conversation with her about your concerns, & contraception, sharpish. Tell her you'll go to the clinic with her if she's unsure about going alone. I got the implanon implant, it's pretty much bombproof & it doesn't matter if you've had a baby or what time of the month you get it fitted.

SmellyNelliey · 19/10/2022 14:58

I'd personally tread very carefully with this,as much as you have your daughters best interested at heart you will be pushing her into his arms! Be her support! Atm she will be loved up in a little bubble as her relationship is very early days! Anything you say about "J" will go in one ear and our the other.
It's a mess and hes no good for your dd but while shes in her little bubble anything negative you have to say about him will push her into his arms!
Also regarding meals ect he is probably refusing as he feels very uncomfortable around you guys! If I knew somebody didn't like me the last thing I'd be doing is having food from them!

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 19/10/2022 14:59

ChocFrog · 19/10/2022 14:39

J is bad news.

Ban J from your house. You don’t have to put up with this and you don’t have to be polite about it either. Your DD needs a reality check, not indulgently pretending this relationship is ok.

Tell your DD that she may like him, and that is up to her, but you dislike him, and that is up to you. Say that in your eyes he’s a creep: he’s sleeping with a teenager 5 years younger than himself, he’s already got a child but refuses to get a full time job to support that child, and negligently left that child in the care of an unfamiliar teenager in an unfamiliar house, without the permission of either the child’s mother or the house’s owner.

Tell DD that you can see she is making a mistake by being in a relationship with him and you strongly recommend she break up with him. You can’t insist she do so but you can ban someone you don’t trust or like from your house and from now on he is banned. Not allowed in over the threshold. If be doesn’t like that, he can a job and rent his own home.

Totally agree with this.
He won't even have a conversation with you which is a massive cheek, he comes for a night and stays for 5, he wakes the house ordering takeaways late at night and your daughter is only 17. What a creep.
She is your child, not him.
You don't have to have a big bust-up with DD about it, just say that you are very worried about the situation on her behalf .

MrsTimRiggins · 19/10/2022 14:59

Goodness, what an awful worry. He sounds utterly hopeless and I don’t blame you for not wanting your daughter to go down that road.
I don’t blame you for not wanting your home to act as a contact centre for J and his child, and I would absolutely stick to my guns on that. What I would be careful about, however, is helping him paint a ‘Romeo and Juliet’ narrative by attempting to ban their relationship altogether or
banning him from your home. This does somewhat increase the chance of him disappearing but you run the very real risk of him taking your daughter with him.
A chat about contraception is in order. That’s for damn sure. I’d also be concocting ways to keep her close, fun days out, holidays, anything I could pull out of the bag really.

yerdaindicatesonbends · 19/10/2022 14:59

Oh lord this is so tricky because you obviously don’t want to push your daughter away but you are so right in wanting to enforce stronger boundaries. He is one big red flag and the age difference alone is a huge one! If your daughter is in love with him she will probably hear nothing negative about him, and when you’re 17 you think you know everything. Keep doing what you’re doing!

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:59

I am very fond of my sister’s DGC and have been spending a lot of time with them so I think DD thought I’d enjoy the ‘grandchild’ experience by having J’s child in my house 🤔

At the moment she genuinely thinks she will end up a step-mum figure.

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