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To not want DD’s boyfriend’s child in my house

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

OP posts:
MrsTimRiggins · 21/10/2022 19:26

Yea I must admit, I’m a bit confused as to why you attempted to lay down the law, accepted being blanked by the little shit and then didn’t go down and say anything when they were pissing about at 2am. Did you even say anything to them this morning?
The good thing with them being so ignorant last night is you have a good reason to say he can no longer stay at your home. I mean, you have plenty of reasons but this is a fresh in the mind one for your daughter, who is acting like she is completely senseless at the moment.

TheHonourableHonoriaGlossop · 21/10/2022 19:27

If you'd told him to leave at 2am he probably would have kicked off, then maybe your DD might have had the love goggles cleared a bit

cheshirebloke · 21/10/2022 19:28

crostina1 · 21/10/2022 19:07

As for DH’s distance in this situation, DH isn’t doing too well. He lost his brother in January and is also suffering a chronic pain issue. He had to move from his manual role in work which he enjoyed to an office based role and is miserable. I haven’t wanted to put him under stress, he cannot cope with it.

I appreciate he's had a tough year, but parenting isn't just something you can check in and out of unfortunately. You need him with you shoulder to shoulder on this one more than ever.

I think offering J the food in your freezer was a big mistake - now he'll be helping himself to it all the time. Another rung up the cock lodging ladder.

38woman · 21/10/2022 19:30

How did you not have something proper and concrete to ban him already? He ignored you again... so you should have told him to leave there and then. I've been rooting for you following this closely. I'm checking out now, you are setting a bad example to your daughter passively being disrespected in your own home. He is a loser and you are all enabling him.

CPL593H · 21/10/2022 19:30

@crostina1 You can't really do much about your 17 year olds madly loved up "romance". We've all been there and we all knew best. What you can control is what happens in your house. This seems a miserable situation for everyone other than your daughter and her boyfriend (of 2 months) and you do need to exert what control you can. You have a right not to be made uncomfortable and have your sleep disturbed by an effective stranger. That is what he is.

As I said upthread, I was a stroppy teen (with some reason, actually) 40 odd years ago. The idea of having a boyfriend of weeks standing staying would have been unimaginable and I do wonder whether condoning these things under your roof "because they'll go elsewhere" is actually giving credence and approval to intense, unhealthy relationships that would otherwise have fizzled out much earlier. Not a pop at you, it happens a lot, but I have doubts about the wisdom generally.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 21/10/2022 19:34

EleanorLucyG · 21/10/2022 19:24

You heard them at 2am after telling them not to wake you. That was the time to go downstairs and rip them a new one and also to kick J out there and then. As others have said there's zero consequences for their bad behaviour.

DD is probably answering for him out of embarrassment that he's being rude ignoring you. She's trying to cover that up by picking up the slack for his failings, in this case answering a question. It's a disaster that she thinks it's her job to cover for his inadequacies like this.

It's the same mentality that causes her to give him money for food when he fails to earn enough (although with no rent/bills/nights out what's his wages being spent on? I suspect drugs), offer him a place to stay when he refuses to behave like an adult and secure accommodation of his own, step in as childcare when he fails to parent his DC during contact time.

She's learned that women facilitate and enable men's crap behaviour. It's what you're teaching her.

Exactly!

OP, in the kindest way, you are shielding your husband and making excuses for him just as she is doing for the lout.

Is this how your daughter has learned to have such low expectations?

Maybe this is an opportunity for you both to examine why your feelings and needs always come last.

ClairyFlare · 21/10/2022 19:35

crostina1 · 21/10/2022 19:14

In a roundabout way, I sort of hope he is using cannabis as it gives me something proper and concrete to ban him from the house. Not wanting drugs, especially with DS around

But you wont

As an adult you don’t need a proper reason to ban him from your home.

you’re playing billy big bollocks on here with your posts, but you let a child and her boyfriend walk all over you regularly

get a grip

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 21/10/2022 19:36

crostina1 · 21/10/2022 19:05

It was already 12:15am when they got in so I was already being considerate offering him food if he cooked it ASAP so everybody could go to sleep. Yet no, they left it until 2am.

They work at a pub! Why couldn't they eat there? Middle of the night cooking is bullshit.

billy1966 · 21/10/2022 19:41

EleanorLucyG · 21/10/2022 19:24

You heard them at 2am after telling them not to wake you. That was the time to go downstairs and rip them a new one and also to kick J out there and then. As others have said there's zero consequences for their bad behaviour.

DD is probably answering for him out of embarrassment that he's being rude ignoring you. She's trying to cover that up by picking up the slack for his failings, in this case answering a question. It's a disaster that she thinks it's her job to cover for his inadequacies like this.

It's the same mentality that causes her to give him money for food when he fails to earn enough (although with no rent/bills/nights out what's his wages being spent on? I suspect drugs), offer him a place to stay when he refuses to behave like an adult and secure accommodation of his own, step in as childcare when he fails to parent his DC during contact time.

She's learned that women facilitate and enable men's crap behaviour. It's what you're teaching her.

So in fact your daughter is a bit of a piece of work... explains a lot actually.

Your poor husband lost his brother, is in huge pain and grappling with huge life changes and she is bringing this loser into your home and causing upset.

Unbelievable.

OP, clearly there are no boundaries innyour home and you are overwhelmed, but you need to read her the riot act and help her pack if necessary.

She is extremely selfish as per 2am food.

That is not normal behaviour.
It is spectacularly selfish and disgraceful.

I have 4 here, teens, early 20's.....if there night time snacking/junk food habit woke me or my husband, it wouldn't happen twice.

Completely unreasonable.

MeridianB · 21/10/2022 20:00

Your poor husband lost his brother, is in huge pain and grappling with huge life changes and she is bringing this loser into your home and causing upset.

I agree with this - and your son is unwell and gets upset around strangers.

It really sounds like your DD is putting herself and this vile parasite above the whole family. Time to get very, very serious.

DaughterofDawn · 21/10/2022 20:03

MeridianB · 21/10/2022 20:00

Your poor husband lost his brother, is in huge pain and grappling with huge life changes and she is bringing this loser into your home and causing upset.

I agree with this - and your son is unwell and gets upset around strangers.

It really sounds like your DD is putting herself and this vile parasite above the whole family. Time to get very, very serious.

Agreed.

Pumpkinpatchlookinggood · 21/10/2022 20:05

We have a Nobody In The Kitchen After 10pm rule. Ddogs go to bed then in there!!
Maybe your dd needs a lesson in common curtesy. Blaming her bf isn't totally appropriate..
No guests during the week.
No noise after 11 and no cooking after 10.

maryberryslayers · 21/10/2022 20:06

Just ban him for the house OP. In the short term, you might see DD less but in the long term, she will get fed up of 'slumming it' wherever they are going and he'll no longer have a comfy bed in which to lodge his scummy cock, so might get fed up anyway.
You need to let her see what life with him is like. She might not fantasise about it so much once it's her shitty reality for a bit.
Would she be open to the implant? At least then it stops him from impregnating her. Make it clear to her that you won't be supporting or housing them if she gets pregnant, and being a parent on benefits in a grotty temporary b&b is not fun or 'grown up'.
If you have a way to control her withdrawing her savings, I'd try to do that too.
I think it's time to take a hard line to stop her ruining her life because of this leach.

Monsun · 21/10/2022 20:09

'J didn’t say a word to me, barely looked at me. In an attempt to engage I asked if he was working tomorrow and DD answered for him, which I found incredibly odd. I couldn’t smell anything but he looked high'

^ Right there!! As I said, INVASIVE PEOPLE CAN'T HANDLE INVASION (especially when they're high). He literally hid from a question about chips.

With this new additional information, I modify my previous advice of making him uncomfortable to prioritising asking him all about his mental health: eg

What are you diagnosed with? Are you getting any support for it? What medication do you take? If you're not diagnosed with anything, can I take you to the doctors? I think you should go to the doctors. (Pester him to go to the doctors) Do you think your mental health makes you a danger to people? (that question will test if HE thinks he's some kind of tough guy - spoiler alert: he isn't, he's clearly scared of you)

Don't let up. Lay it on thick. Do not take 'no' or 'I don't want to talk about it' or your DD answering for him for an answer. Continually bombard him with questions every time you see him. Remember to use lots of big smiles and concerned expressions.

Make it unbearable and he'll soon move onto an easier target.

Irritatedmum · 21/10/2022 20:10

This is your chance and I think you really need to take it. You need to speak to your daughter, and explain that you gave them a chance to behave respectfully but they still woke the whole house at 2am (embellish the truth if you have to). And that means he can’t stay over any more. I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s because of your son or husband - no point in her blaming them - but just repeat that it isn’t working. And you have to mean it, and you have to stick to it, even if he turns up next week after their shift - send him home. How soon after them getting together did you let him stay over? I can’t help but wonder if that’s part of the attraction for him and that it would fizzle out.

blubberyboo · 21/10/2022 20:16

You really needed to go down at 2am and be really cross that they woke you up. Like psycho cross

you don’t need to be over polite in your own house. If he thinks he is lining himself up to move in then show him that he is going to get nagged and told off constantly by the owner of the house!

EleanorLucyG · 21/10/2022 20:16

I don't think the DD is necessarily a piece of work Billy . Although she is being disrespectful to OP and needs telling to stop that behaviour.

I suspect due to a lack of boundaries she doesn't how to say "no" to her boyfriend. Because just using the word will be unfathomable to someone who grows up without enough boundaries. Look how many times Mumsnet has to tell grown women "no is a complete sentence". OP herself isn't confident saying no and thinks she needs a very obvious "bad" reason like drugs to justify saying no.

DD is doing what she thinks is right by putting him first above her family (and her own wants/needs). But she could well be finding his behaviour awkward. She won't stand up to him though because she sees her parents not standing upto him. Particularly her mother who goes out of her way to appease him by allowing him to stay over, eat their food, be inconsiderate and wake people, treat the place like it's his home etc. OP is giving out the message that this man's wants and needs come first.

I actually think the DD is quite vulnerable because this is her first relationship I think OP said, she's described DD as naive and it's already sexual a few weeks in (because she possibly didn't know how to say no to that either? Especially as he's ended up staying over) and he's not using condoms which probably wouldn't have been the DD first choice of how to go about things. I doubt this bag of shite had an STI test first or that the DD felt she had much of a choice in the matter.

When the DD said she wanted him to stay over (because he fed her a sob story about how he has nowhere else welcoming to go to?) did she know he'd be sleeping in her bed, or did all the adults in this scenario just assume and she didn't like to say anything when she realised?

PyjamaFan · 21/10/2022 20:18

Does your DD actually want him there so much?

She might be relieved if you say no more visits. She might be waiting for you to give her an excuse to back away from him.

I just wonder if she feels trapped into bringing him home due to all the sob stories and manipulation from him.

Obviously I could be completely wrong but I just have a nagging feeling about this situation.

blubberyboo · 21/10/2022 20:21

Another way to look at it @crostina1 is that by pussyfooting round this situation being nice and polite, you are not actually helping this man either.

you are letting him take the easy option in life ie sofa surfing, whereas if he got a rude awakening that the world doesn’t owe him and that he needs to take charge of his own life and get himself straightened out he might actually be empowered to do it.
this is the way to explain it to DD

LookItsMeAgain · 21/10/2022 20:32

Did you say anything to them this morning @crostina1 when you got up about the noise they were making at 2am? You had already laid out the ground rules that the cooking was to be done straight away but they disrespected you in your own home. I'm genuinely not trying to pile on here but if you don't put your foot down on the stuff you can control, there is no hope for the stuff you can't.

You tell your DD that because they have now done this twice, you're not going to put up with it again. He is welcome to drop/see her home at midnight but he cannot stay any more because of his behaviour. He has to treat her right and you can tell him that. If he treats her like a boyfriend should, you may be open to considering other options in time.

Sit down with him and ask him the questions, old school style - are his intentions towards your daughter honourable? When they have sex, is he using protection every time? When did his attraction towards your daughter begin? They might be cringey but I really think that you need to have that type of conversation with him. You've noticed things and you're only doing this to protect your daughter, yadda yadda yadda. You need to have your DH sitting beside you and you're presenting a united front on this. If your DD is there, she gets to sit there and not say a word. She doesn't answer for him. You're speaking adult to adult. Your daugher gets to sit quietly and listen to his answers. If you don't fee that he is genuine, then they go back to square one on the dating scene. He calls for her, he asks her out and they do something together, as a date. Say that you're very surprised that a 25yr old man would be interested in a 17 yr old girl (use girl not woman) and bypassing the conventional dating scene. Millennials still go on dates (if your DD kicks off on that one). I'd really turn the screw during the chat. You want to find out his prospects, what he wants to do in 5 years time etc. Do this from a position of concern for your DD as you have clearly noticed that they have gone from zero to 100mph so fast and you think they should slow things down (hopefully to a complete stop!)

At this stage, that is what I would do.

Best of luck to you!

Runaway1 · 21/10/2022 20:33

PyjamaFan · 21/10/2022 20:18

Does your DD actually want him there so much?

She might be relieved if you say no more visits. She might be waiting for you to give her an excuse to back away from him.

I just wonder if she feels trapped into bringing him home due to all the sob stories and manipulation from him.

Obviously I could be completely wrong but I just have a nagging feeling about this situation.

I wonder if this could be the case. You need to show her how to have boundaries.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 21/10/2022 20:37

I also would be printing graphic images of STI lesions and the like, and ask her how she'll enjoy explaining that she has a transmissible disease to future partners.

PyjamaFan · 21/10/2022 20:39

LookItsMeAgain · 21/10/2022 20:32

Did you say anything to them this morning @crostina1 when you got up about the noise they were making at 2am? You had already laid out the ground rules that the cooking was to be done straight away but they disrespected you in your own home. I'm genuinely not trying to pile on here but if you don't put your foot down on the stuff you can control, there is no hope for the stuff you can't.

You tell your DD that because they have now done this twice, you're not going to put up with it again. He is welcome to drop/see her home at midnight but he cannot stay any more because of his behaviour. He has to treat her right and you can tell him that. If he treats her like a boyfriend should, you may be open to considering other options in time.

Sit down with him and ask him the questions, old school style - are his intentions towards your daughter honourable? When they have sex, is he using protection every time? When did his attraction towards your daughter begin? They might be cringey but I really think that you need to have that type of conversation with him. You've noticed things and you're only doing this to protect your daughter, yadda yadda yadda. You need to have your DH sitting beside you and you're presenting a united front on this. If your DD is there, she gets to sit there and not say a word. She doesn't answer for him. You're speaking adult to adult. Your daugher gets to sit quietly and listen to his answers. If you don't fee that he is genuine, then they go back to square one on the dating scene. He calls for her, he asks her out and they do something together, as a date. Say that you're very surprised that a 25yr old man would be interested in a 17 yr old girl (use girl not woman) and bypassing the conventional dating scene. Millennials still go on dates (if your DD kicks off on that one). I'd really turn the screw during the chat. You want to find out his prospects, what he wants to do in 5 years time etc. Do this from a position of concern for your DD as you have clearly noticed that they have gone from zero to 100mph so fast and you think they should slow things down (hopefully to a complete stop!)

At this stage, that is what I would do.

Best of luck to you!

This is very good advice.

ClairyFlare · 21/10/2022 20:43

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 21/10/2022 20:37

I also would be printing graphic images of STI lesions and the like, and ask her how she'll enjoy explaining that she has a transmissible disease to future partners.

Of course you would Hmm

Dragonsmother · 21/10/2022 20:44

Are you sure he isn’t living in a hostel?

can you get your DDs friends to organise a girls nights out? Get her out and away from him.

J is bad news and the only way she will realise is when she starts missing out on her experiences that her friends are having.

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