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To not want DD’s boyfriend’s child in my house

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

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DontSpeakLatinInFrontOfTheBooks · 19/10/2022 15:00

Omg what a fucking loser this dude is. You’re totally doing the right thing making sure your boundaries are as clear as they are, good on you for sticking to them.

I really hope your daughter dumps him ASAP. He’s got literally nothing going for him, but be careful you don’t make things so hostile she leaves home to set up house with him and be his live in babysitter.

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 15:01

My daughter isn’t thick by any means but this is the first relationship she has had and she has been taken in.

I think she likes the fact he’s older and there is a child in the mix as it makes her feel really grown up and mature and like she’s in a proper serious relationship.

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HollyJollypup · 19/10/2022 15:02

He sounds hideous.

Id say no to the child and make sure he 100% doesn’t move in by Xmas!

TheUsualChaos · 19/10/2022 15:04

I was going to say, it sounds a classic case of a girl being blinded by the older boyfriend thing. He's not a school boy.

Is she on contraception??

viques · 19/10/2022 15:04

Oh, and I would really make an effort to “talk” to him whenever you see him, make your OH do the same, he clearly want to fly under your radar and the more uncomfortable you make him feel by making him think you are expecting him to join in with family stuff, chatting, asking him about his day, his friends, his family, his interests, hobbies , films he likes, sports, music etc etc the more he will want to steer clear, and with any luck ( sorry in advance to your dd) this will involve finding another family to leach off.

Soubriquet · 19/10/2022 15:04

This is actually quite terrifying to read tbh.

He sounds very toxic and a complete and total cocklodger hoping to move in so he can continue sponging off people.

The fact your very naive dd is falling for it hook line and sinker is scary.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 19/10/2022 15:05

Does your dd have a goos friendship network?

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Untitledsquatboulder · 19/10/2022 15:05

If you are really that worried about her getting pregnant then fgs talk to her about it. And not just pregnancy, her future, what she wants from it. Does she want a career, kids? What sort of place does she want to live in, what sort of car does she want to drive, where does she want to go on holiday? How could the lifestyle she wants be financed? Teach her about rent and bills and budgeting. Talk to her about what to look for in partner (without directly criticism the current one). She may start out naive, everyone does. She doesn't have to remain so.

DodgyLeftLeg · 19/10/2022 15:06

YANBU OP

Sounds like you’re doing all the right things re. setting boundaries and trying to educate DD without pushing her away.

Stick to your guns. The temptation to shoulder barge and worse and give him dressing down of his life must be overwhelming.

Thisisnotmyname2 · 19/10/2022 15:06

I wouldn't judge him for a part time job due to mental health problems, especially as it sounds like his life is very unstable which would lead to mental health problems. YABU for that.

However you are under no obligation to house him or allow him to have his child at your house on a regular basis for contact. Although if his ex is willing to give him more time with his child moving forwards it might be because she can see an improvement in him compared to the past.

If I was in your position I would maybe talk to him about applying for council housing/benefits to get himself sorted and even offer to help fill out the forms with him. Make it clear that your house isn't an option for when he gets kicked out of his current accommodation.

Also talk to your daughter about contraception and her studies, you can't tell her to end her relationship but you can make it clear how important these things are. If you tell her to leave him you will just push her further into his arms unfortunately.

krustykittens · 19/10/2022 15:06

He is trying to move in by stealth yet he can't even be bothered to speak to you?! It also sounds like he sees your DD as free childcare. You can be supportive of your daughter while explaining that someone who is rude to you is not welcome in your home. Unless she wises up fast, this relationship is going to lead to all sorts of bad decisions you are powerless to stop her making and there is only so many consequences you can protect her from. You don't have to throw you, your husband and your son under the bus to tiptoe around her relationship with this scum bag. Have that frank conversation with her today, outline your boundaries and then step back. Be there to help her pick up the pieces, by all means, but don't make your life hell in the meantime. No to J in the house and no to playing grandma to a child he can't be bothered with.

ICanHideButICantRun · 19/10/2022 15:07

Oh god, my daughter had someone like this - he was an absolute nightmare and very difficult to shake off.

I didn't allow him to stay the night. He used to turn up drunk at 3 am wanting to talk to her and she - stupid thing - would let him in. He'd then drink whatever he could find in our house.

I agree with you about working full time and I wouldn't confuse him with someone else who had MH problems. My daughter's bf's MH problems were caused by a chaotic lifestyle, drink and weed, and a desire to not work very hard.

A word of warning - if she's all loved up, then you have to be really careful not to alienate her. If she's given a choice she may well choose to go off with him. He will take as much money as he can off her - there will be tears from him about how he'll do anything for her and he'll pay her back etc etc - if she has any savings I would make sure you check on those regularly, if you can. My daughter's boyfriend used to take things from my house and sell them.

All you can do is show your daughter a bright future without him, without mentioning it's without him. Talk about "your first boyfriend" as though this will pass. Talk about uni if she wanted to go there. Talk about holidays and trips that you know damn well he can't afford to go on.

Most of all, talk to her about what would happen if she got pregnant. She'd have three choices: an abortion, adoption or a life with this man in it forever. I'd encourage her to get the implant put in.

Always show her examples of girls who are living a great life without a sponging loser like him in it.

ICanHideButICantRun · 19/10/2022 15:09

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 15:01

My daughter isn’t thick by any means but this is the first relationship she has had and she has been taken in.

I think she likes the fact he’s older and there is a child in the mix as it makes her feel really grown up and mature and like she’s in a proper serious relationship.

This was similar to my daughter - she was really, really flattered that someone liked her so much. He really lovebombed her.

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 15:09

@FistFullOfRegrets.

Would you be happy with somebody offering to take your toddler to the park then taking them to some house full of randoms? As far as the child’s mum is concerned my daughter’s family could be bloody anybody.

It is a form of parental abduction, or are you one of those people who thinks abduction just means a stranger bundling a kid into a van?

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hattie43 · 19/10/2022 15:11

So many red flags here . Stand your ground OP

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Pixiedust1234 · 19/10/2022 15:12

I know you said you would rather he stayed with dd overnight rather than her disappearing but cocklodgers only need to squeeze a toe through the door. Its time to play hardball. You don't have to say anything about J but say a hard no to him crossing over the threshold until he shapes up (ie secure lodgings, better job etc). DD might start bugging him to shape up so he can visit more often....but he would probably rather ditch her than shape up. Carrot rather than stick 😉

Fe345fleur · 19/10/2022 15:12

YANBU. Absolutely you should try make things as difficult as you can for for this bloke, without alienating your daughter. Sending strength and I hope he slopes off out of her life soon.

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 15:13

He has taken the child somewhere without the mums permission by means of deception. That is abduction even if he did take the child back. He has court and contact orders that he has breeched. DD has said the mum would never have allowed it if she’d have known (and who can blame her, my DD is a 17 year old girl so relatively harmless but from her perspective anybody could be living in my house) and she was reluctant enough for DD to be present taking him to the park.

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Moveoverdarlin · 19/10/2022 15:13

I think you are being very restrained OP. I would be hitting the roof! I would let him come to the house, but never stay over and out by 11pm. Tell your daughter that you love her and list all her attributes and reiterate what a loser J is. And ask why they haven’t been on a date? Why doesn’t he buy her nice things? Why don’t they do lovely things? He’s going to be homeless FFS! This should be the time of her life and she’s saddled with a homeless man with a kid. I can’t ever accept this ‘you’ll drive her away’ waffle. That just gives kids the approval to do what they want. She needs to appreciate that if she falls pregnant, it’s game over for any decent life and that you’re not going to be there to pick up the pieces. .

DodgyLeftLeg · 19/10/2022 15:16

I also agree with a PP about engaging him in conversation whilst he’s visiting - he’ll hate it. Full on relentless, but appearing kind, inquisitiveness about his job, child arrangements, aspirations, friends etc.

I would also not be supporting finding alternative accommodation. You are not his support worker and DD will have a ready made hell-hole to move in to.

RainbowCat26 · 19/10/2022 15:16

Ah OP this is one of my worst nightmares for when DD gets older (fortunately my DC are still young) I agree with PP’s about the risk of alienating her, do you have any young adult female friends or family members who could maybe spend time with her so she can see how exciting being a young adult can be when you are carefree? She might be more willing to take advice from someone closer to her own age.

Tessasanderson · 19/10/2022 15:16

No fucker comes in my house and doesnt show appropriate respect. I dont care who it is.

Thankfully my DS girlfriends have all been chatty, happy and pretty much normal people. Not a single request to stay over yet (We are ready for it) and it would be even more important that the person was respectful if they were sleeping over.

Your house is a sanctuary for you and all of your family who live there. I would have drop kicked his ass out of the door within seconds.

MavisChunch29 · 19/10/2022 15:17

What do her mates think of him?

DD1 (17) would find it weird if one of her mates was in this situation.

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