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Losing my mind over house offer

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OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 20:33

This is so complicated, so apologies for length, but I am consumed by this and can't get any advice as everyone I know is just saying, shit yeah, that's a tough one!

Essentially due to financial difficulty due to my health condition we are having to sell up and downsize to pay off debts. After a long time trying to sell, we are taking a hit on our place, and we have found a house that is at the limit of our budget and needs everything doing.

We had so much difficulty finding something which worked in terms of the space we need, budget and location for commutes we decided it was fine, we'd live with dated decor, plywood floorboards, peeling finishes and a bit of damp in a rear WC, fix things like all the wires hanging out the walls, and manage with a bathroom and kitchen that were 30 years old for a while in order to have a garden for our kids. Plus it has some period charm and its relatively spacious and close to a train station, and should we win the lottery we could extend etc. It looked like areas had been patched up which made me a bit suspicious - i.e. some areas freshly painted but other parts clearly left for years, but everything in the same area in our budget seems to be run down anyway, as the wave of gentrification has not spread that far - the only reason we can afford to buy there, I guess.

We were the first to see it and were told our offer was beaten by another bidder but the vendors chose us due to being proceedable, as they had a previous sale fall through. Who knows if that's true, but given the dearth of available houses in the area I'm prepared to believe they could find another buyer without much difficulty. For context they are a late middle-aged couple having an acrimonious divorce so there is no chain, which we thought was great, but actually puts them in a position of power compared to us, with our buyers waiting for us to move and panicking about the interest rates so kind of a flight risk. The house is in a rough area (it's the bad bit of Croydon), is on the end of a street which is ok for the area, but parking will be hell and it's a bit grotty. But I am a Londoner and I can cope with that. Grateful to still be in the position to buy a house, ultimately.

Anyway, we had the survey and then a proper independent damp survey (the stakes are quite high here for me with health concerns) and found a number of issues. The highlights are irremediable damp due to high ground in adjacent alleyway, meaning the whole side of the house is registering as damp, even though none is visible. Incidentally that is the only part of the house which has been wallpapered relatively recently. There is also evidence of a previous damp proof course. What it needs is the render removed, brickwork assessed, replastering.. it goes on. The whole house is basically quite humid, has cheapo damp solutions which are making it worse, and given we viewed it in August I'm guessing that was when it was at its best. Essentially we could not do the house piecemeal as we had planned due to the fact that everything needs to be done, and you can't repaint a house if the walls need to be replastered and floors need to be redone, and the render needs to come off etc.

Then the roof has a bloody hole in it with visible water ingress in one of the rooms, which has significantly worsened since our first viewing. It's blocked gutters, cracked cement on the roof, damaged timbers etc. This is on top of the fact that basically every single bit of the house needs attention.

So we asked for a 30k drop in price which I knew they would reject but hoped they would meet us halfway. This is about 7% of the asking price (which was 475 and we agreed 470). They refused to drop the price, saying the defects we listed were factored into the cost of the house, and said they were going to have a family member who was a roofer attend to the repairs (why the f is the roof leaking then..?!). I got a rough estimate of the roof repairs from a reliable guy who said about 4k. We said this was not acceptable due to conflict of interest, and I suspected a patch up job, given the fact the house was in a bit of a state, but they wouldn't budge and we reasoned at least it would be done. (I'm long in the tooth with roof drama). The roof is easy to fix, if costly. But it's not the end of the world.

The cost of the render/damp drama however is about 20k all in, and a huge amount of work, and the survey says it can only be managed due to the high ground. There are other issues like a sewer in the garden which would hinder any extensions and frankly there's bound to be other stuff. We had two construction people go in and assess and they said it was "a good house" which reassured me, but then the surveyor said he wouldn't buy it based on the sheer amount of work it needed. They eventually agreed to fix the roof and drop the price 3k. At first I said I wanted 10k or we'd pull out, and we would have, but in the end we just can't find anything else that doesn't present similar potential issues, or other compromises we have ruled against, like no garden, or one room less. I feel like we've already decided on a rough area and a house with 100k of work needed, so I have to at least have enough space or I'll be throwing away half our stuff.

So we agreed to the 3k and the BIL roofer, but I just feel like I don't want to be a mug. I can't tell if I'm crazy to consider buying a house in a shitty area needing 100k of work to make it decent (this isn't being precious, this is conservative given it's 100+ years old and poorly maintained) without insisting they drop the price more, or if given the climate this is the best we will do and we should just accept it, as the alternative is a flat in a better area but with no garden, no space for storage and the charges. I am paralysed as this is such a high stakes decision, and the cost of moving not to mention the upheaval is such that we simply cannot afford a mistake. So is the mistake to buy a money pit and still be skint, or to live in a smaller place and risk never ever affording a house again. There are almost identical houses down the street that are immaculately done which sold for 20-50k more this year, and I feel like this means we are overpaying, given the fact we'd have to do all the work. But then I think the vendors consider they are selling us the potential. What to do?!

OP posts:
Lcb123 · 18/10/2022 20:36

Honestly if I were you I’d walk away. I personally couldn’t deal with all that, whatever the house price. Can you look for a flat with a garden instead? That seems very expensive anyway; I don’t live that far away (gipsy hill).

Yupbutnobut · 18/10/2022 20:38

Jesus it sounds like SUCH a bad decision!! Stay put and reassess. Don't move. Can't you consider remortgaging to clear debts or relocating, you mention a garden etc but that's not as important as living in a warm not damp home.

SeptemberAlexandra · 18/10/2022 20:43

I’d definitely walk away. You’re already making compromises for the house and you’ll end up resenting it.

OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 20:44

#Yupbutnobut# unfortunately staying where we are is not an option :( And my work situation has changed due to my health so we can't jeopardise the mortgage we have

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bewarethetides · 18/10/2022 20:45

I'd walk. Sounds like a disaster, tbh.

UmbilicusProfundus · 18/10/2022 20:46

OMG that house sounds like it will keep throwing up new problems and cause a lot of stress. Gardens are overrated. There are nice parks around.

Bigslippers · 18/10/2022 20:47

I think I’d go with your gut OP- this house is whats known as a moneypit.
Also factor in the having to live there whilst all this is going on and this is work that’s ‘invisible’ but just to save the house falling down for want of better words

imagine throwing 100k at a home and seeing no benefit ie no new kitchen, no extension
You obviously feel somethings wrong and I would always trust instinct.

isitginoclock · 18/10/2022 20:48

I can see why this is so hard for you OP. You e got a lot invested in this and you really want it to work. But please don't move. The market in bonkers right now. Something else will come up. Alarm bells started ringing when you said about the fact that some areas were patched up etc. the vendors are holding out for people who won't be as thorough as you in the surveys etc and will massively underestimate the work needed.

isitginoclock · 18/10/2022 20:51

OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 20:44

#Yupbutnobut# unfortunately staying where we are is not an option :( And my work situation has changed due to my health so we can't jeopardise the mortgage we have

Can you hold on for a bit for somewhere else? Sell up and move to rented for a bit? Extend the mortgage to give you more time? I get that staying out isn't an option. But moving to that specific place at the top end of your budget is not the only other thing you can do. Say no to the horrid house. The universe will send you something better

OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 20:52

I should add that catastrophic finances dictate we have to move to stop spiralling debt, and if we lose our buyers we are f*cked...

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Testina · 18/10/2022 20:54

“There are almost identical houses down the street that are immaculately done which sold for 20-50k more this year,”

That doesn’t make sense. Why is it even a dilemma? Why would you pay £20-50K less for a house that needs £100K of work? Walk away.

CormoranStrike · 18/10/2022 20:56

Walk away - no, run, run away very fast and don’t look back.

Mapleapple · 18/10/2022 20:58

Op can you sell and rent? I wouldn’t buy this house, especially not in the area of Croydon I am picturing as rough. I really feel for you as this sounds like a miserable situation but I just feel it would be made so much worse by this house. Can you give an idea of the area you need and Mumsnet might be able to advise/help suggest areas or houses you may not have thought of.

Testina · 18/10/2022 20:59

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/128113046#/?channel=RES_BUY

3 bed, 2 bath, South Croydon, £400K

DebtMassif · 18/10/2022 21:00

Have you had actual quotes for the work that needs doing or is 100k your estimate? I ask because we moved into our house 2 weeks ago and couldn't get estimates for work until we'd actually moved in and, well... I've just started a thread/meltdown about how much we've been quoted to replaster in lime to solve damp issues. 50k. To replaster a 3-bed mid-terrace. Basically, everything is very expensive and it turns out we're not saving money by buying a bit of a doer-upper compared to the other houses on the street.

Tohaveandtohold · 18/10/2022 21:00

Yeah, that’s tough. I don’t want to suggest selling and renting till something else comes up because I’ve seen many people become stuck by doing this but I don’t know if you have family you can live with for a while while paying a small amount whilst your things are in storage and hold out for another house because I’ll definitely be walking away from that house, it sounds like a typical money pit.

Mamamia7962 · 18/10/2022 21:02

Honestly, walk away, it is at the top end of your budget, needs loads of money spent on it. You wil find something else much better.

Mapleapple · 18/10/2022 21:02

Testina · 18/10/2022 20:59

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/128113046#/?channel=RES_BUY

3 bed, 2 bath, South Croydon, £400K

That house price is for over 60s, it’s a form of equity release

NarNooNarNoo · 18/10/2022 21:02

There are so many red flags. Buying is stressful, building work is stressful. And at the end you would have massively overspent on a house you seem to be making a compromise on in a rough area. I’d honestly walk (run) away now

londonrach · 18/10/2022 21:03

Just walk...this house is overpriced due to amount of work needed

DamnUserName21 · 18/10/2022 21:06

Agree with PP. Utter money pit.
Trust your gut and don't do it.
Sell up and rent if need be.

Arenanewbie · 18/10/2022 21:07

I wouldn’t buy it. It sounds like complete moneypit.If you’ve got health issues how would you cope with such expensive and extensive building works? Stay where you, rent, whatever but don’t buy.

LemonSwan · 18/10/2022 21:09

walk away.

SD1978 · 18/10/2022 21:09

You've got no money, which is why you're downsizing, to pay off existing debts, and want to move into a house which is unsafe, unhealthy for you, Andy needs tens of thousands of mounds of repair work done, which will spiral,you again into further debt very quickly. Ina house ina rough area, with no,parking. Sorry, but you sound daft to want to,proceed

pattihews · 18/10/2022 21:09

How is this going to help your financial situation? You sell your home to pay off debts, then buy a property that will have you back in debt almost immediately if you want to make it occupiable.

Sell your current house. Rent for a year or two. Wait for house prices to fall 10% or more. Then swoop in and pick up something you couldn't currently afford.

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