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Losing my mind over house offer

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OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 20:33

This is so complicated, so apologies for length, but I am consumed by this and can't get any advice as everyone I know is just saying, shit yeah, that's a tough one!

Essentially due to financial difficulty due to my health condition we are having to sell up and downsize to pay off debts. After a long time trying to sell, we are taking a hit on our place, and we have found a house that is at the limit of our budget and needs everything doing.

We had so much difficulty finding something which worked in terms of the space we need, budget and location for commutes we decided it was fine, we'd live with dated decor, plywood floorboards, peeling finishes and a bit of damp in a rear WC, fix things like all the wires hanging out the walls, and manage with a bathroom and kitchen that were 30 years old for a while in order to have a garden for our kids. Plus it has some period charm and its relatively spacious and close to a train station, and should we win the lottery we could extend etc. It looked like areas had been patched up which made me a bit suspicious - i.e. some areas freshly painted but other parts clearly left for years, but everything in the same area in our budget seems to be run down anyway, as the wave of gentrification has not spread that far - the only reason we can afford to buy there, I guess.

We were the first to see it and were told our offer was beaten by another bidder but the vendors chose us due to being proceedable, as they had a previous sale fall through. Who knows if that's true, but given the dearth of available houses in the area I'm prepared to believe they could find another buyer without much difficulty. For context they are a late middle-aged couple having an acrimonious divorce so there is no chain, which we thought was great, but actually puts them in a position of power compared to us, with our buyers waiting for us to move and panicking about the interest rates so kind of a flight risk. The house is in a rough area (it's the bad bit of Croydon), is on the end of a street which is ok for the area, but parking will be hell and it's a bit grotty. But I am a Londoner and I can cope with that. Grateful to still be in the position to buy a house, ultimately.

Anyway, we had the survey and then a proper independent damp survey (the stakes are quite high here for me with health concerns) and found a number of issues. The highlights are irremediable damp due to high ground in adjacent alleyway, meaning the whole side of the house is registering as damp, even though none is visible. Incidentally that is the only part of the house which has been wallpapered relatively recently. There is also evidence of a previous damp proof course. What it needs is the render removed, brickwork assessed, replastering.. it goes on. The whole house is basically quite humid, has cheapo damp solutions which are making it worse, and given we viewed it in August I'm guessing that was when it was at its best. Essentially we could not do the house piecemeal as we had planned due to the fact that everything needs to be done, and you can't repaint a house if the walls need to be replastered and floors need to be redone, and the render needs to come off etc.

Then the roof has a bloody hole in it with visible water ingress in one of the rooms, which has significantly worsened since our first viewing. It's blocked gutters, cracked cement on the roof, damaged timbers etc. This is on top of the fact that basically every single bit of the house needs attention.

So we asked for a 30k drop in price which I knew they would reject but hoped they would meet us halfway. This is about 7% of the asking price (which was 475 and we agreed 470). They refused to drop the price, saying the defects we listed were factored into the cost of the house, and said they were going to have a family member who was a roofer attend to the repairs (why the f is the roof leaking then..?!). I got a rough estimate of the roof repairs from a reliable guy who said about 4k. We said this was not acceptable due to conflict of interest, and I suspected a patch up job, given the fact the house was in a bit of a state, but they wouldn't budge and we reasoned at least it would be done. (I'm long in the tooth with roof drama). The roof is easy to fix, if costly. But it's not the end of the world.

The cost of the render/damp drama however is about 20k all in, and a huge amount of work, and the survey says it can only be managed due to the high ground. There are other issues like a sewer in the garden which would hinder any extensions and frankly there's bound to be other stuff. We had two construction people go in and assess and they said it was "a good house" which reassured me, but then the surveyor said he wouldn't buy it based on the sheer amount of work it needed. They eventually agreed to fix the roof and drop the price 3k. At first I said I wanted 10k or we'd pull out, and we would have, but in the end we just can't find anything else that doesn't present similar potential issues, or other compromises we have ruled against, like no garden, or one room less. I feel like we've already decided on a rough area and a house with 100k of work needed, so I have to at least have enough space or I'll be throwing away half our stuff.

So we agreed to the 3k and the BIL roofer, but I just feel like I don't want to be a mug. I can't tell if I'm crazy to consider buying a house in a shitty area needing 100k of work to make it decent (this isn't being precious, this is conservative given it's 100+ years old and poorly maintained) without insisting they drop the price more, or if given the climate this is the best we will do and we should just accept it, as the alternative is a flat in a better area but with no garden, no space for storage and the charges. I am paralysed as this is such a high stakes decision, and the cost of moving not to mention the upheaval is such that we simply cannot afford a mistake. So is the mistake to buy a money pit and still be skint, or to live in a smaller place and risk never ever affording a house again. There are almost identical houses down the street that are immaculately done which sold for 20-50k more this year, and I feel like this means we are overpaying, given the fact we'd have to do all the work. But then I think the vendors consider they are selling us the potential. What to do?!

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KleineDracheKokosnuss · 18/10/2022 22:25

Don’t do it. Just walk away. It’s a damp ridden money pit. There’s too much to fix, you’ll need to get any repairs checked pre exchange anyway, and you’re paying too much.

move to a different area and put the kids in a different school.

friskybivalves · 18/10/2022 22:25

There's a house in Morden on for OIRO £465k with a downstairs bathroom that might be quite handy. Needs some TLC... Or one in Thornton heath for 450k that looks to have been done up already.

Having done works ourselves just before lockdown and been aghast by the cost, and knowing how much more difficult it is to find trades now and more £££, I agree with others that I think the Croydon house would suck the life out of you. But also aware how glibly we are all throwing advice while knowing how far down the road you have come, and what a rock and a hard place you find yourselves between.

Caroffee · 18/10/2022 22:26

I wouldn't buy it. You yourself have described it as a money pit. Something else will come up. House prices aren't going up over the next couple of years at least.

friskybivalves · 18/10/2022 22:27

Sorry - meant also to add that a wise person once told me not to let someone else's problem become my problem. That damp house is their problem...still. imagine them cracking open a bottle of champagne as you sign the contract and they get to pack up and leave it behind to go their separate ways, without another care. Grim.

legosunqueen · 18/10/2022 22:29

Could you let your current house & rent a cheaper property to live in while paying off your debts from incoming rent? This would improve your financial position & buy you a bit of time. Please don't buy the money pit, it won't help your health as it ŵill be another constant worry Flowers

Scrambledandfried · 18/10/2022 22:29

Have you tried Thornton Heath/Penge/Beckenham?

mrsbyers · 18/10/2022 22:30

I would sell up and rent for a period of time til you find the right house - this will not be good for your physical or mental health

MadelineUsher · 18/10/2022 22:30

Heating costs for a damp house are higher, also, with less heating effect.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 18/10/2022 22:31

Testina · 18/10/2022 20:59

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/128113046#/?channel=RES_BUY

3 bed, 2 bath, South Croydon, £400K

This is for over sixties only.

Patapouf · 18/10/2022 22:32

Forget for a second that there's not a lot of choice/houses on the market.

Would you still buy it? No!

Walk awayyyyy there will be other houses

oldstudentmum · 18/10/2022 22:32

Omg 100k worth of work needing to be done . Ah no a big fat no. Is it a shell with no roof and floors fuck no and fuck no again!

Twocrabs20 · 18/10/2022 22:32

It doesn’t sound to me like the house you’d want to invest in.

However I am familiar with the area and can recommend for cheap but quality damp proofing a local damp business (they are about 75% cheaper than all other damp companies I had quotes from ): www.creativecontracts.org.uk

Really excellent value for money damp repairs, which would bring down your damp bill - and maybe make that aspect of your investment not so expensive. But I’d probably engage a separate company to do the repair plastering.

good luck OP with whatever you decide.

WokingOrNot · 18/10/2022 22:34

It sounds like whatever your finances are now they'll be worse if you move to a house that need that much work. And area is so important.
I can see asking prices dropping so you should find something better.
Can you stay where you are and get a lodger to help with debts until situation improves?

Lovemelovemydoggie · 18/10/2022 22:34

We had a house with a damp problem we couldn’t cure. I used to wake up with nose bleeds every morning and DS constantly had a chesty cough. We ended up renting somewhere whilst we tried to sell it as it was making us so ill.
I wouldn’t buy this if I were you.

Quincythequince · 18/10/2022 22:34

Walk away OP.

Dear god.

GLTM · 18/10/2022 22:34

What's your max budget? Could you go to £550k?

Vcal2017 · 18/10/2022 22:38

Hello! I just wanted to say sometimes the very fact that you are asking the question means you know the answer. A bit karate kid or Yoda or something, but if you were sure you wouldn’t need to ask. Your instincts are saying don’t do it, as is everyone else.
xx

Circe7 · 18/10/2022 22:38

I think another issue is that you could get really stuck in this house. If it’s a disaster and affects your health living there it may be difficult to sell without a huge loss given that the property market is likely to slow down. That might be even more the case if you’ve started some work.

I’d treat this as a house which is effectively £100k out of your budget. It would make just as much sense to buy something too small that you could pay £100k to extend.

It sounds really hard and stressful though and obviously only you’ve seen the house and know what you can live with - you’re probably partly getting such negative responses about the house because you sound so negative about it yourself though.

WhosafraidofVirginiaWoolf · 18/10/2022 22:38

A fool and his/her money.

I bet the sellers are over the moon!

If you buy it, you will regret it immediately.

HappyHedgehog247 · 18/10/2022 22:42

I’m really sorry about your MS. House moving is such a nightmare and you’ve already invested so much thought and energy into this. Damp is horrible. It’s not like just changing bad decor. And it’s really bad for health. And not great as energy costs sore. I wouldn’t do this house. I know it’s hard to give up on.

OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 22:43

@GLTM not a chance. this was already a big stretch. 425 to not be up shit street. 450 possible.

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HappyHedgehog247 · 18/10/2022 22:43

I mean soar!

sunshinesupermum · 18/10/2022 22:43

Please walk away from this money pit in an area you don't want to live in. You say not moving your kids from their schools is your line in the sand but kids will cope. Your physical and mental health won't. Port your mortgage to a smaller property or flat where you won't need to spend £000s on renovating it. Flowers

OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 22:44

@Scrambledandfried this is Thornton heath. Penge beckenham too far from school/work

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JTro · 18/10/2022 22:44

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/126431132#/?channel=RES_BUY

By bus to East Croydon Station (about 15-20 mins)? then train to Clapham junction (10-11 mins)