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Losing my mind over house offer

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OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 20:33

This is so complicated, so apologies for length, but I am consumed by this and can't get any advice as everyone I know is just saying, shit yeah, that's a tough one!

Essentially due to financial difficulty due to my health condition we are having to sell up and downsize to pay off debts. After a long time trying to sell, we are taking a hit on our place, and we have found a house that is at the limit of our budget and needs everything doing.

We had so much difficulty finding something which worked in terms of the space we need, budget and location for commutes we decided it was fine, we'd live with dated decor, plywood floorboards, peeling finishes and a bit of damp in a rear WC, fix things like all the wires hanging out the walls, and manage with a bathroom and kitchen that were 30 years old for a while in order to have a garden for our kids. Plus it has some period charm and its relatively spacious and close to a train station, and should we win the lottery we could extend etc. It looked like areas had been patched up which made me a bit suspicious - i.e. some areas freshly painted but other parts clearly left for years, but everything in the same area in our budget seems to be run down anyway, as the wave of gentrification has not spread that far - the only reason we can afford to buy there, I guess.

We were the first to see it and were told our offer was beaten by another bidder but the vendors chose us due to being proceedable, as they had a previous sale fall through. Who knows if that's true, but given the dearth of available houses in the area I'm prepared to believe they could find another buyer without much difficulty. For context they are a late middle-aged couple having an acrimonious divorce so there is no chain, which we thought was great, but actually puts them in a position of power compared to us, with our buyers waiting for us to move and panicking about the interest rates so kind of a flight risk. The house is in a rough area (it's the bad bit of Croydon), is on the end of a street which is ok for the area, but parking will be hell and it's a bit grotty. But I am a Londoner and I can cope with that. Grateful to still be in the position to buy a house, ultimately.

Anyway, we had the survey and then a proper independent damp survey (the stakes are quite high here for me with health concerns) and found a number of issues. The highlights are irremediable damp due to high ground in adjacent alleyway, meaning the whole side of the house is registering as damp, even though none is visible. Incidentally that is the only part of the house which has been wallpapered relatively recently. There is also evidence of a previous damp proof course. What it needs is the render removed, brickwork assessed, replastering.. it goes on. The whole house is basically quite humid, has cheapo damp solutions which are making it worse, and given we viewed it in August I'm guessing that was when it was at its best. Essentially we could not do the house piecemeal as we had planned due to the fact that everything needs to be done, and you can't repaint a house if the walls need to be replastered and floors need to be redone, and the render needs to come off etc.

Then the roof has a bloody hole in it with visible water ingress in one of the rooms, which has significantly worsened since our first viewing. It's blocked gutters, cracked cement on the roof, damaged timbers etc. This is on top of the fact that basically every single bit of the house needs attention.

So we asked for a 30k drop in price which I knew they would reject but hoped they would meet us halfway. This is about 7% of the asking price (which was 475 and we agreed 470). They refused to drop the price, saying the defects we listed were factored into the cost of the house, and said they were going to have a family member who was a roofer attend to the repairs (why the f is the roof leaking then..?!). I got a rough estimate of the roof repairs from a reliable guy who said about 4k. We said this was not acceptable due to conflict of interest, and I suspected a patch up job, given the fact the house was in a bit of a state, but they wouldn't budge and we reasoned at least it would be done. (I'm long in the tooth with roof drama). The roof is easy to fix, if costly. But it's not the end of the world.

The cost of the render/damp drama however is about 20k all in, and a huge amount of work, and the survey says it can only be managed due to the high ground. There are other issues like a sewer in the garden which would hinder any extensions and frankly there's bound to be other stuff. We had two construction people go in and assess and they said it was "a good house" which reassured me, but then the surveyor said he wouldn't buy it based on the sheer amount of work it needed. They eventually agreed to fix the roof and drop the price 3k. At first I said I wanted 10k or we'd pull out, and we would have, but in the end we just can't find anything else that doesn't present similar potential issues, or other compromises we have ruled against, like no garden, or one room less. I feel like we've already decided on a rough area and a house with 100k of work needed, so I have to at least have enough space or I'll be throwing away half our stuff.

So we agreed to the 3k and the BIL roofer, but I just feel like I don't want to be a mug. I can't tell if I'm crazy to consider buying a house in a shitty area needing 100k of work to make it decent (this isn't being precious, this is conservative given it's 100+ years old and poorly maintained) without insisting they drop the price more, or if given the climate this is the best we will do and we should just accept it, as the alternative is a flat in a better area but with no garden, no space for storage and the charges. I am paralysed as this is such a high stakes decision, and the cost of moving not to mention the upheaval is such that we simply cannot afford a mistake. So is the mistake to buy a money pit and still be skint, or to live in a smaller place and risk never ever affording a house again. There are almost identical houses down the street that are immaculately done which sold for 20-50k more this year, and I feel like this means we are overpaying, given the fact we'd have to do all the work. But then I think the vendors consider they are selling us the potential. What to do?!

OP posts:
lawandgin · 18/10/2022 22:00

@Testina creepy Crawley nicer than (some) parts of Croydon? I beg to differ 🙊 OP seriously, do not do this. We've almost finished renovating our 60s house in Croydon. EVERYTHING is SO expensive. Getting trades to actually do the work is nigh on impossible. This is not a good idea. Agree with PP, look at Thornton Heath, Norbury etc.

RewildingAmbridge · 18/10/2022 22:00

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/127605152?utm_campaign=property-details&utm_content=buying&utm_medium=sharing&utm_source=copytoclipboard#/&channel=RES_BUY

I don't know Croydon so don't know which are the rough bits but you've said you don't mind anyway, this one looks like it's got some potential? Some bits already done so more than livable

MilkToastHoney · 18/10/2022 22:01

There are almost identical houses down the street that are immaculately done which sold for 20-50k more this year, and I feel like this means we are overpaying

With all the issues you’ve listed, it sounds like you’re definitely overpaying. Have you costed it all properly - damp, roof, kitchen, bathroom, decoration, flooring, electrics, plumbing, exterior etc?

Will you realistically have the money to do the work at some point? If not, it’s going to be incredibly miserable living in a run down house with no chance of doing it up.

I’m all for buying houses that need a lot of work but
the price has got to be right and you need the funds to do it up. Unless the answer to both of these is yes, walk away.

isladeltesoro · 18/10/2022 22:01

Is your health condition made worse by stress? This house sounds like it will bring you lots of stress.

Is there a reason your children can't move school e.g SEN? I don't know their circumstances but many children move schools and many of them do fine.

OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 22:02

@FistFullOfRegrets I have MS so it's not going to go away! And I have spoken to Stepchange. Sorry to say they were not helpful and could offer no solutions.

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lannistunut · 18/10/2022 22:02

You need to not buy it, walk away.

Heronwatcher · 18/10/2022 22:02

No don’t buy it, not at that price anyway. Sounds like it will be a disaster and just too much potential to go wrong. In your position I would go ahead with the sale, of your place, ringfence an amount for 3-6 months rent and keep looking. Chances are prices will fall over the next 6 months so you’ll probably not lose money and you can port most mortgages with a gap of less than 6 months. Like others if necessary I would go for smaller with less of a garden over that frankly catastrophic list of problems.

Anydaynowonewouldhope · 18/10/2022 22:02

Your kids will be far happier in a damp free pleasant house and a new school than in a shitty area of croydon at their current school

i would move to an entirely new area and get a decent quality house

damp will ruin your life.

OnceYouKPop · 18/10/2022 22:06

Don't buy it

ChampagneLassie · 18/10/2022 22:08

I'd rent for the time being, I'd imagine house prices are going to come down with the perfect storm of rising inflation, energy prices and a recession.

catflycat · 18/10/2022 22:09

We bought a total wreck a few years ago, we were lucky enough to be able to live with family down the street while we did it up AND we had money from our last house sale to pay for the work, we did lots of it ourselves, but it still nearly broke us. Just dealing with the builders and the time it all takes is so stressfully. No health issues but very young kids plus working full time. Don't do it! The stress will be awful, damp issues are an absolute nightmare in old houses even without health issues, and it sounds like you'd have to live with it for a good time. I probably wouldn't go for it even if they did give you 20K off. Maybe a sensible way to think about it is that you need 25k to do the minimum amount of work needed - if they won't give you that you can't afford it (and based on the other houses on the road you'd be overpaying anyway)

user1471592953 · 18/10/2022 22:10

Definitely do not buy that house. Sell yours, and rent for a few months while you look for another to buy.

Addicted2LoveIsland · 18/10/2022 22:11

I think its mental you are still even considering it.

Sleepysophie · 18/10/2022 22:11

I think its a personal choice and you will know what your personal thresholds are. For me, having lived in a damp house in the past I would not venture down that road again without a clear time scale of making it "not damp".

Slugs, woodlice, silver fish to name just a few pests which will pay you regular visits. Then there is the damp smell which will follow you around on your clothing. You have already mentioned your health issues and acknowledge these could be exasperated.

If you can't afford to make the changes quickly (within a year) then I would pull out. The market is still buoyant and they will find another buyer.

You will find something but it sounds as if you need to compromise more than you would like. Good luck.

AnotherNC22 · 18/10/2022 22:11

OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 21:47

budget is 450 need to live within about 5 miles of clapham

@OrdinaryWorm Have you looked at Mitcham? I live here and it's an easy commute to Clapham, especially if you can find on the Colliers Wood / Tooting side. I'm sure you can get places for your budget.

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/82881135#/map?channel=RES_BUY This is a 15mins walk to CW tube and then you are straight up the northern line to Clapham. You could get the garden slabs lifted and turf laid relatively easily and the inside do up over time?

Greekycheesey · 18/10/2022 22:12

Op I’m so sorry you’re in this position. It sounds so incredibly stressful and emotional for you all.

i have experience of ms (not me, but a v close relative). I say this with kindness and it might not be what you want to hear but in the long term, a flat without stairs in it instead of a house might be a good investment.

i live in a flat in south east London and while I often day dream about having a big house, the reality is we have a fantastic quality of life here. We are very lucky to have a large communal garden and neighbours on hand to play with the kids/ babysit/ fetch shopping when we are Ill etc. many of our friends who have paid ££££££ more for houses nearby are jealous of our lifestyle.

How would your search look if you focused on location over size?

In the right location you could have a supportive community around you.

Honestly, as the kids get older we need less space not more: we all have a bedroom each and we have one open plan living space for us all. It is not spacious but it is very pleasant. See if you can buy a share of freehold flat, and scope out the neighbours before you buy!

Livelovebehappy · 18/10/2022 22:12

If the house was in a great area, I would probably, just about, get my head around the work which needs doing, and proceed with the sale. But if the house is in a crap area, you’ve already compromised, and so by also buying something with so many issues, especially with the damp issue, which can be horrendous to live with, would be too much for me to consider. I would honestly go for something smaller, in a nicer area, with potential to extend as and when you can afford to.

LactoseTheIntolerant · 18/10/2022 22:13

Sorry but you had me at 'rough part of croydon', no way would I do that. I would rather a flat in a better location. What age are you kids primary or secondary, because if they're not at secondary yet you'll need to think about catchments too.

Itllbegrand · 18/10/2022 22:14

Frazzled2207 · 18/10/2022 21:12

Def walk away
if you really have to sell then consider renting short term.
normally this would be a bad idea as you could get stuck and not be able to buy what you need but surely soon prices will have to come down a bit as people won’t be able to get mortgages due to the interest rate rises.

Trust your gut here OP. Absolute money pit and you will be miserable for years. You will lose money on the works and on any resale. Don’t do it. Rent and bide your time.

HungryandIknowit · 18/10/2022 22:15

If the house is at the limit of your budget and you're downsizing to pay debts I would rethink. It seems potentially very expensive. It sounds like you need to buy; in your position I would compromise on something else (garden, space, etc.) with the aim to keep within budget overall in order to prioritise health, which is absolutely the most important thing.

TeachesOfPeaches · 18/10/2022 22:15

When was the last time you looked at houses on Rightmove? There's quite a few new listings in your budget within Croydon.

fruitbrewhaha · 18/10/2022 22:17

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/123308915#/?channel=RES_BUY

maybe this one

zurala · 18/10/2022 22:18

I'm not sure which way your voting works but you would be absolutely fucking mad to buy that house. It sounds a total nightmare which will cost you far more than you think.
Sorting damp and roofs is expensive. Find something else.

PickAnyName · 18/10/2022 22:21

Walk away. You don’t need a damp house that will be bad for your health. Something else come up. Why fork out to have so much done?

Tigofigo · 18/10/2022 22:22

Another one saying don't do it. It sounds nightmarish. Buy somewhere with one less bedroom and scope to convert the loft instead.

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