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Losing my mind over house offer

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OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 20:33

This is so complicated, so apologies for length, but I am consumed by this and can't get any advice as everyone I know is just saying, shit yeah, that's a tough one!

Essentially due to financial difficulty due to my health condition we are having to sell up and downsize to pay off debts. After a long time trying to sell, we are taking a hit on our place, and we have found a house that is at the limit of our budget and needs everything doing.

We had so much difficulty finding something which worked in terms of the space we need, budget and location for commutes we decided it was fine, we'd live with dated decor, plywood floorboards, peeling finishes and a bit of damp in a rear WC, fix things like all the wires hanging out the walls, and manage with a bathroom and kitchen that were 30 years old for a while in order to have a garden for our kids. Plus it has some period charm and its relatively spacious and close to a train station, and should we win the lottery we could extend etc. It looked like areas had been patched up which made me a bit suspicious - i.e. some areas freshly painted but other parts clearly left for years, but everything in the same area in our budget seems to be run down anyway, as the wave of gentrification has not spread that far - the only reason we can afford to buy there, I guess.

We were the first to see it and were told our offer was beaten by another bidder but the vendors chose us due to being proceedable, as they had a previous sale fall through. Who knows if that's true, but given the dearth of available houses in the area I'm prepared to believe they could find another buyer without much difficulty. For context they are a late middle-aged couple having an acrimonious divorce so there is no chain, which we thought was great, but actually puts them in a position of power compared to us, with our buyers waiting for us to move and panicking about the interest rates so kind of a flight risk. The house is in a rough area (it's the bad bit of Croydon), is on the end of a street which is ok for the area, but parking will be hell and it's a bit grotty. But I am a Londoner and I can cope with that. Grateful to still be in the position to buy a house, ultimately.

Anyway, we had the survey and then a proper independent damp survey (the stakes are quite high here for me with health concerns) and found a number of issues. The highlights are irremediable damp due to high ground in adjacent alleyway, meaning the whole side of the house is registering as damp, even though none is visible. Incidentally that is the only part of the house which has been wallpapered relatively recently. There is also evidence of a previous damp proof course. What it needs is the render removed, brickwork assessed, replastering.. it goes on. The whole house is basically quite humid, has cheapo damp solutions which are making it worse, and given we viewed it in August I'm guessing that was when it was at its best. Essentially we could not do the house piecemeal as we had planned due to the fact that everything needs to be done, and you can't repaint a house if the walls need to be replastered and floors need to be redone, and the render needs to come off etc.

Then the roof has a bloody hole in it with visible water ingress in one of the rooms, which has significantly worsened since our first viewing. It's blocked gutters, cracked cement on the roof, damaged timbers etc. This is on top of the fact that basically every single bit of the house needs attention.

So we asked for a 30k drop in price which I knew they would reject but hoped they would meet us halfway. This is about 7% of the asking price (which was 475 and we agreed 470). They refused to drop the price, saying the defects we listed were factored into the cost of the house, and said they were going to have a family member who was a roofer attend to the repairs (why the f is the roof leaking then..?!). I got a rough estimate of the roof repairs from a reliable guy who said about 4k. We said this was not acceptable due to conflict of interest, and I suspected a patch up job, given the fact the house was in a bit of a state, but they wouldn't budge and we reasoned at least it would be done. (I'm long in the tooth with roof drama). The roof is easy to fix, if costly. But it's not the end of the world.

The cost of the render/damp drama however is about 20k all in, and a huge amount of work, and the survey says it can only be managed due to the high ground. There are other issues like a sewer in the garden which would hinder any extensions and frankly there's bound to be other stuff. We had two construction people go in and assess and they said it was "a good house" which reassured me, but then the surveyor said he wouldn't buy it based on the sheer amount of work it needed. They eventually agreed to fix the roof and drop the price 3k. At first I said I wanted 10k or we'd pull out, and we would have, but in the end we just can't find anything else that doesn't present similar potential issues, or other compromises we have ruled against, like no garden, or one room less. I feel like we've already decided on a rough area and a house with 100k of work needed, so I have to at least have enough space or I'll be throwing away half our stuff.

So we agreed to the 3k and the BIL roofer, but I just feel like I don't want to be a mug. I can't tell if I'm crazy to consider buying a house in a shitty area needing 100k of work to make it decent (this isn't being precious, this is conservative given it's 100+ years old and poorly maintained) without insisting they drop the price more, or if given the climate this is the best we will do and we should just accept it, as the alternative is a flat in a better area but with no garden, no space for storage and the charges. I am paralysed as this is such a high stakes decision, and the cost of moving not to mention the upheaval is such that we simply cannot afford a mistake. So is the mistake to buy a money pit and still be skint, or to live in a smaller place and risk never ever affording a house again. There are almost identical houses down the street that are immaculately done which sold for 20-50k more this year, and I feel like this means we are overpaying, given the fact we'd have to do all the work. But then I think the vendors consider they are selling us the potential. What to do?!

OP posts:
Sharming · 18/10/2022 22:46

You sound like you already don't like the house - you'd end up resenting it. And it sounds like a total nightmare.

I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

Scottishskifun · 18/10/2022 22:46

We dealt with damp in our house which was also a fixer upper. It's a lot better then it was but it's an ongoing thing you fix one issue for another to spring up.

I would say from experience whatever you budgeted for fixing it double it! You do not know the state until its stripped back to brick. Per room we went from 2k to 6k to fix as some floors also needed treating, we needed new support beams etc.
We still get pockets of condensation issues where we haven't been able to rectify so keep ontop of with dehumidifiers etc.

Honestly I would see if there was anything else nearby

Scrambledandfried · 18/10/2022 22:46

OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 22:44

@Scrambledandfried this is Thornton heath. Penge beckenham too far from school/work

Oh shit, sorry :( Streatham common? Mitcham? Streatham Vale? Tooting/Furzedown?

Direct trains from streatham common to Clapham very frequent and many buses too

TheLassWiADelicateAir · 18/10/2022 22:46

OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 22:43

@GLTM not a chance. this was already a big stretch. 425 to not be up shit street. 450 possible.

How are you going to fund £100,000 of repairs?

BronwenFrideswide · 18/10/2022 22:49

Echoing everyone else you would be an absolute fool to buy that property it is a money pit with what you already know once anyone starts working on it who knows what they will also uncover, you will spend your whole time in a building site swallowing all your money.

You have health issues a building site of a home is not an option.

ViolinPin · 18/10/2022 22:52

Walk away from this, I think you will regret it if you proceed.

If you want a house disaster watch Tom Hanks in the film Money Pit, it's a comedy but it's not funy when it happens to you.

Mapleapple · 18/10/2022 22:52

Twocrabs20 · 18/10/2022 22:32

It doesn’t sound to me like the house you’d want to invest in.

However I am familiar with the area and can recommend for cheap but quality damp proofing a local damp business (they are about 75% cheaper than all other damp companies I had quotes from ): www.creativecontracts.org.uk

Really excellent value for money damp repairs, which would bring down your damp bill - and maybe make that aspect of your investment not so expensive. But I’d probably engage a separate company to do the repair plastering.

good luck OP with whatever you decide.

No company which offers damp proof course injections is reputable.

hummingbirdsinmygarden · 18/10/2022 22:53

It sounds to me like:

  • You can't rent somewhere due to cost of rent in your area
  • You don't want to move out of Croydon due to schools (which is understandable If kids are secondary age but at primary age it may be worth re-thinking), and due to work
  • You need to move quickly because you have buyers lined up and need to pay off debts and you can't find an alternative house that is within budget.

If all that is true, and you can't move on any of it, then you probably have no other option but to buy that property.

If you have a lot of debt to pay off, then how will you afford the repairs to the house? Particularly the damp? It sounds like you could be at risk of accruing more debt. And it's quite a risk - it could end up being a great investment if you plan to stay there for a long time or a massive moneypit and pretty stressful which won't be great for your health.

I'm surprised Step change weren't more helpful - I've had dealings with them in the past and they've always been very knowledgeable. Though maybe it wasn't what you wanted to hear.

Do you have any family members you can stay with temporarily? I don't think I would be taking anything off the table in your shoes. So I would definitely be considering renting in a much cheaper area even if it means your DH has a longer commute or has to live away during the week - if possible with a family member or friend. Honestly, none of the options are great, buying that property will at least mean you are living where you want to be though.

Wiluli · 18/10/2022 22:54

I think you should walk away , with the possibility of house prices falling it’s too much risk and you can end up with negative equity in a house that needs a lot doing . I know it’s hard but it sounds crazy to take such a risk

Mapleapple · 18/10/2022 22:55

OP I say this in the kindest way. Your situation sounds desperate but I think you are going to have to compromise on something and if can’t be price its going to have to be space or location. I don’t know why you can’t move other than commute and schools but lots of people don’t live within 5 miles of work. Don’t subject yourself and your children to health hazardous conditions for this. I would really explore looking at other areas if you can.

Nevertouchakoala · 18/10/2022 22:56

Pull out. Have you looked into re mortgaging your current house to pay debts? Im sure you. I really wouldn’t buy that house you e described.

MrsDrSpencerReid · 18/10/2022 22:58

Don’t do it OP.

And I say this as someone who got stuck renting after selling.

However we’re debt free and our position gets better every day as house prices continue to fall.

We also went from having a huge yard to a small paved courtyard and we honestly haven’t missed it. We’re close the the water, sports fields and playgrounds so the kids have plenty of outdoor options. And as they get older they’re spending more time indoors anyway with work and study.

Im sorry you’re having an incredibly tough time, but I think this house will just add so much more stress.

MotherOfPuffling · 18/10/2022 22:59

Have you considered somewhere like Forest Hill or Catford? Less than an hour to Clapham via overground, with one change (Forest Hill), and some pretty decent 3 bed houses in your budget.

WallaceinAnderland · 18/10/2022 22:59

If you go ahead with this purchase you will regret it.

LimpBiskit · 18/10/2022 23:04

Sounds like a total money pit and a whole load of stress whilst emergency remedial work is done. I'd be looking for something else.

NeedAHoliday2021 · 18/10/2022 23:04

Too much of a compromise and damp when you have ms? Absolutely not!

Mammajay · 18/10/2022 23:06

Croydon is constantly improving. All areas are improving as young couples are moving into the area. I don't know what area you think is the rough part of Croydon?

Ikeameatballs · 18/10/2022 23:11

Don’t buy it!!

What about this www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/125651990#/floorplan?activePlan=1&channel=RES_BUY

Curlyfifteen · 18/10/2022 23:12

I have noticed that houses needing work are quite expensive compared to a similar done up house. For example a done up house costing £800 v the doer upper costing £725 but needing £100-150 spent on it.

the cost of building work is changing rapidly (due to brexit or Ukraine or inflation or whatever it is) and prices rising fast! Quotes are invalid a few weeks later as costs gone up.

You have health issues. I dont know what they are but this is your priority. Yes your kids might not have a big garden but a healthier mummy is surely worth more! Damp has a huge impact on health, don’t underestimate that.

i know moving to different locations, leaving family/friends is hard but have you considered leaving london to buy what you need within budget? Or live in a smaller place but be healthy without damp issues.

Overall i think you know you shouldn't buy it, even though you want to. The way you describe it - you know health must come first. It also sounds financially not a good deal either given what yoy need to spend on it.

altmember · 18/10/2022 23:24

However bad it looks, it'll be worse. You can only see the stuff on the surface and once you start working on it you're bound to find a whole load more. Do you actually have the 100k available to you? Because it sounds like your aim is to do the repair/renovation ad hoc after you've moved in. Realistically, are you going to be able to get the money together to afford to ever do work, or will you still be living in a damp pit in 10-20 years time?

There are almost identical houses down the street that are immaculately done which sold for 20-50k more this year, and I feel like this means we are overpaying, given the fact we'd have to do all the work.

Well that's your definitive answer. £100k+ plus of work, on a house that's only 50k less than immaculate equivalent. Absolutely not worth it.

MrsMacnair · 18/10/2022 23:25

If 450 is your budget then you’ve already pushed it to the max at 470, where are you going to find the extra to do the work?
I think it’s a decision you’ll regret massively, I’d pull out now

OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 23:29

@Ikeameatballs this is nice but it's too far to drive the kids to school and that's the priority criterion. thanks anyway!

OP posts:
Schnooze · 18/10/2022 23:30

House prices are on the way down. Don’t buy at the top of the market.

Meatshake · 18/10/2022 23:30

Run an effin mile away from this shit shack money pit!

Meanderingpuppy · 18/10/2022 23:31

Sounds like it could cost an awful lot to do up. I would consider some other way of getting a cheaper home (eg a flat with a garden, a house in good condition without enough space but where you can easily and cheaply convert a garage or the loft - although check this really would be cheap to do of course especially with the current cost of building work), or just forgo the garden. This house sounds like it could be dreadful.

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