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Losing my mind over house offer

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OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 20:33

This is so complicated, so apologies for length, but I am consumed by this and can't get any advice as everyone I know is just saying, shit yeah, that's a tough one!

Essentially due to financial difficulty due to my health condition we are having to sell up and downsize to pay off debts. After a long time trying to sell, we are taking a hit on our place, and we have found a house that is at the limit of our budget and needs everything doing.

We had so much difficulty finding something which worked in terms of the space we need, budget and location for commutes we decided it was fine, we'd live with dated decor, plywood floorboards, peeling finishes and a bit of damp in a rear WC, fix things like all the wires hanging out the walls, and manage with a bathroom and kitchen that were 30 years old for a while in order to have a garden for our kids. Plus it has some period charm and its relatively spacious and close to a train station, and should we win the lottery we could extend etc. It looked like areas had been patched up which made me a bit suspicious - i.e. some areas freshly painted but other parts clearly left for years, but everything in the same area in our budget seems to be run down anyway, as the wave of gentrification has not spread that far - the only reason we can afford to buy there, I guess.

We were the first to see it and were told our offer was beaten by another bidder but the vendors chose us due to being proceedable, as they had a previous sale fall through. Who knows if that's true, but given the dearth of available houses in the area I'm prepared to believe they could find another buyer without much difficulty. For context they are a late middle-aged couple having an acrimonious divorce so there is no chain, which we thought was great, but actually puts them in a position of power compared to us, with our buyers waiting for us to move and panicking about the interest rates so kind of a flight risk. The house is in a rough area (it's the bad bit of Croydon), is on the end of a street which is ok for the area, but parking will be hell and it's a bit grotty. But I am a Londoner and I can cope with that. Grateful to still be in the position to buy a house, ultimately.

Anyway, we had the survey and then a proper independent damp survey (the stakes are quite high here for me with health concerns) and found a number of issues. The highlights are irremediable damp due to high ground in adjacent alleyway, meaning the whole side of the house is registering as damp, even though none is visible. Incidentally that is the only part of the house which has been wallpapered relatively recently. There is also evidence of a previous damp proof course. What it needs is the render removed, brickwork assessed, replastering.. it goes on. The whole house is basically quite humid, has cheapo damp solutions which are making it worse, and given we viewed it in August I'm guessing that was when it was at its best. Essentially we could not do the house piecemeal as we had planned due to the fact that everything needs to be done, and you can't repaint a house if the walls need to be replastered and floors need to be redone, and the render needs to come off etc.

Then the roof has a bloody hole in it with visible water ingress in one of the rooms, which has significantly worsened since our first viewing. It's blocked gutters, cracked cement on the roof, damaged timbers etc. This is on top of the fact that basically every single bit of the house needs attention.

So we asked for a 30k drop in price which I knew they would reject but hoped they would meet us halfway. This is about 7% of the asking price (which was 475 and we agreed 470). They refused to drop the price, saying the defects we listed were factored into the cost of the house, and said they were going to have a family member who was a roofer attend to the repairs (why the f is the roof leaking then..?!). I got a rough estimate of the roof repairs from a reliable guy who said about 4k. We said this was not acceptable due to conflict of interest, and I suspected a patch up job, given the fact the house was in a bit of a state, but they wouldn't budge and we reasoned at least it would be done. (I'm long in the tooth with roof drama). The roof is easy to fix, if costly. But it's not the end of the world.

The cost of the render/damp drama however is about 20k all in, and a huge amount of work, and the survey says it can only be managed due to the high ground. There are other issues like a sewer in the garden which would hinder any extensions and frankly there's bound to be other stuff. We had two construction people go in and assess and they said it was "a good house" which reassured me, but then the surveyor said he wouldn't buy it based on the sheer amount of work it needed. They eventually agreed to fix the roof and drop the price 3k. At first I said I wanted 10k or we'd pull out, and we would have, but in the end we just can't find anything else that doesn't present similar potential issues, or other compromises we have ruled against, like no garden, or one room less. I feel like we've already decided on a rough area and a house with 100k of work needed, so I have to at least have enough space or I'll be throwing away half our stuff.

So we agreed to the 3k and the BIL roofer, but I just feel like I don't want to be a mug. I can't tell if I'm crazy to consider buying a house in a shitty area needing 100k of work to make it decent (this isn't being precious, this is conservative given it's 100+ years old and poorly maintained) without insisting they drop the price more, or if given the climate this is the best we will do and we should just accept it, as the alternative is a flat in a better area but with no garden, no space for storage and the charges. I am paralysed as this is such a high stakes decision, and the cost of moving not to mention the upheaval is such that we simply cannot afford a mistake. So is the mistake to buy a money pit and still be skint, or to live in a smaller place and risk never ever affording a house again. There are almost identical houses down the street that are immaculately done which sold for 20-50k more this year, and I feel like this means we are overpaying, given the fact we'd have to do all the work. But then I think the vendors consider they are selling us the potential. What to do?!

OP posts:
berksandbeyond · 20/10/2022 09:26

Bloody hell, walk away. This has disaster written all over it

berksandbeyond · 20/10/2022 10:04

Just saw your update - glad you've decided to pull out. Can't quite believe your husband is commuting from London to Sussex though. Definitely seems like moving to Sussex should be the plan- there's really nothing better there than this money pit was?

IrisVersicolor · 20/10/2022 11:29

I’m confused, why do you need to be 5 miles from Clapham if your DH is working in Sussex?

Horsham is a great little town with good transport to London. 45 mins to Clapham Junction.

CluelessAtClothing · 20/10/2022 11:39

IrisVersicolor · 20/10/2022 11:29

I’m confused, why do you need to be 5 miles from Clapham if your DH is working in Sussex?

Horsham is a great little town with good transport to London. 45 mins to Clapham Junction.

It's very confusing. Seems Op is flip flopping between options as they're desperate to quickly get out and clear some debt. OP, there must be something in East Sussex you can afford if your husband is already there?

IrisVersicolor · 20/10/2022 12:11

Sorry I forgot it was East Sussex - Brighton and Hove are expensive but around Haywards Heath, Burgess Hill, Lewes - they must be able to find something. The best value would probably be Worthing - easy to get to Brighton and back to London.

MrsMacnair · 20/10/2022 16:35

IrisVersicolor · 20/10/2022 11:29

I’m confused, why do you need to be 5 miles from Clapham if your DH is working in Sussex?

Horsham is a great little town with good transport to London. 45 mins to Clapham Junction.

Her dh is working in Sussex as they were going to move there so dh quit his job in London and took new post before finding a house, then they couldn’t find a house so now her dh has a long commute but op no longer wants to leave her area due to dcs schools and her support network.

Cruisebabe1 · 20/10/2022 16:45

pattihews · 18/10/2022 21:09

How is this going to help your financial situation? You sell your home to pay off debts, then buy a property that will have you back in debt almost immediately if you want to make it occupiable.

Sell your current house. Rent for a year or two. Wait for house prices to fall 10% or more. Then swoop in and pick up something you couldn't currently afford.

This is a great piece of advice. Buying this one will be a disaster

MrsMacnair · 20/10/2022 17:46

Cruisebabe1 · 20/10/2022 16:45

This is a great piece of advice. Buying this one will be a disaster

Op has already pulled out. She’s now looking for another property/what her options are.

OrdinaryWorm · 24/10/2022 23:09

Update! Offer accepted today on another house very close to previous one, better street and parking situation, bigger house, chain free, nice garden, 1960s bathroom and kitchen but immaculate condition! Same price exactly. A million times better. A place I had decided not to see because I thought it looked in bad condition, but ironically when we finally saw it, it was better IRL than the pics (usually it's the opposite!) Thanks for your advice. Thinking back now I was so scared to back out because I felt that was the best option and we had invested so much time and money already (it cost us about 5 grand all up with wasted surveys, solicitors fees for abortive purchase (wasn't expecting that) and the time we have lost while our debts increase etc. But I feel so relieved. We were going to walk into a nightmare because we felt backed into a corner, so people who told us to walk away and wait for something better - thank you! let's just hope our buyers hang in there...

OP posts:
Yemelade · 24/10/2022 23:12

Wonderful news! Best of luck with it all x

CrikeyPeg · 25/10/2022 03:48

Fabulous update!

Mummyoflittledragon · 25/10/2022 04:10

Fabulous. I hope your purchase moves quickly!

Roselilly36 · 25/10/2022 05:58

@OrdinaryWorm what you describe there is so true, our house before this one the EA pictures were absolutely awful, we decided to view it, only because a)we were desperate to find a large family home, and b)it was a detached 5 bed, when we went to view it looked entirely different and we bought it, and lived there for nearly 18 years. You definitely can’t always tell from the photos, the front of the house we bought looked like it was on a hill, it’s wasn’t, just really strange camera angles.

Many congrats to you & good luck with the purchase.

AlmostOver22 · 25/10/2022 08:58

Let us know how it goes!

friskybivalves · 25/10/2022 09:19

That's just great news. Can feel the relief pouring through your words. Fingers crossed for your buyers and also that your surveys and searches etc come back ok.

MrsMacnair · 25/10/2022 13:22

Fantastic news op, hope everything goes well for you!

FairyLightAddict · 25/10/2022 13:59

Woo hoo 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳 so happy for you 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

123becauseicouldntthinkofone · 25/10/2022 15:14

pattihews · 18/10/2022 21:09

How is this going to help your financial situation? You sell your home to pay off debts, then buy a property that will have you back in debt almost immediately if you want to make it occupiable.

Sell your current house. Rent for a year or two. Wait for house prices to fall 10% or more. Then swoop in and pick up something you couldn't currently afford.

This, run away from the money pit. Sell your house, pay what you need and rent temporarily.

WokingOrNot · 25/10/2022 15:34

Amazing update. Good luck!

CluelessAtClothing · 25/10/2022 22:01

OrdinaryWorm · 24/10/2022 23:09

Update! Offer accepted today on another house very close to previous one, better street and parking situation, bigger house, chain free, nice garden, 1960s bathroom and kitchen but immaculate condition! Same price exactly. A million times better. A place I had decided not to see because I thought it looked in bad condition, but ironically when we finally saw it, it was better IRL than the pics (usually it's the opposite!) Thanks for your advice. Thinking back now I was so scared to back out because I felt that was the best option and we had invested so much time and money already (it cost us about 5 grand all up with wasted surveys, solicitors fees for abortive purchase (wasn't expecting that) and the time we have lost while our debts increase etc. But I feel so relieved. We were going to walk into a nightmare because we felt backed into a corner, so people who told us to walk away and wait for something better - thank you! let's just hope our buyers hang in there...

Yay! So happy for you

Meanderingpuppy · 25/10/2022 22:17

Huge congratulations and good luck!

Triephena · 26/10/2022 10:56

Delighted for you.

Abitofalark · 28/10/2022 22:58

Happy news! So glad for you and family. You needed that lucky break and the collective force of mumsnet. Best of luck with it. Let us know how you get on.

Dibbydoos · 06/02/2023 21:08

You are mad.

I don't know where you're commuting to but honestly, Nottingham, Coventry and Rubgy around an hour by train into Central London.

Move out of town, find a lovely suburb, give your kids and you both a better life.

I would run a mile from this house, it sounds like Bodge Lodge.

Companyofwolves · 07/02/2023 00:30

Don’t buy it!! Sell & rent - if possible x

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