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Losing my mind over house offer

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OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 20:33

This is so complicated, so apologies for length, but I am consumed by this and can't get any advice as everyone I know is just saying, shit yeah, that's a tough one!

Essentially due to financial difficulty due to my health condition we are having to sell up and downsize to pay off debts. After a long time trying to sell, we are taking a hit on our place, and we have found a house that is at the limit of our budget and needs everything doing.

We had so much difficulty finding something which worked in terms of the space we need, budget and location for commutes we decided it was fine, we'd live with dated decor, plywood floorboards, peeling finishes and a bit of damp in a rear WC, fix things like all the wires hanging out the walls, and manage with a bathroom and kitchen that were 30 years old for a while in order to have a garden for our kids. Plus it has some period charm and its relatively spacious and close to a train station, and should we win the lottery we could extend etc. It looked like areas had been patched up which made me a bit suspicious - i.e. some areas freshly painted but other parts clearly left for years, but everything in the same area in our budget seems to be run down anyway, as the wave of gentrification has not spread that far - the only reason we can afford to buy there, I guess.

We were the first to see it and were told our offer was beaten by another bidder but the vendors chose us due to being proceedable, as they had a previous sale fall through. Who knows if that's true, but given the dearth of available houses in the area I'm prepared to believe they could find another buyer without much difficulty. For context they are a late middle-aged couple having an acrimonious divorce so there is no chain, which we thought was great, but actually puts them in a position of power compared to us, with our buyers waiting for us to move and panicking about the interest rates so kind of a flight risk. The house is in a rough area (it's the bad bit of Croydon), is on the end of a street which is ok for the area, but parking will be hell and it's a bit grotty. But I am a Londoner and I can cope with that. Grateful to still be in the position to buy a house, ultimately.

Anyway, we had the survey and then a proper independent damp survey (the stakes are quite high here for me with health concerns) and found a number of issues. The highlights are irremediable damp due to high ground in adjacent alleyway, meaning the whole side of the house is registering as damp, even though none is visible. Incidentally that is the only part of the house which has been wallpapered relatively recently. There is also evidence of a previous damp proof course. What it needs is the render removed, brickwork assessed, replastering.. it goes on. The whole house is basically quite humid, has cheapo damp solutions which are making it worse, and given we viewed it in August I'm guessing that was when it was at its best. Essentially we could not do the house piecemeal as we had planned due to the fact that everything needs to be done, and you can't repaint a house if the walls need to be replastered and floors need to be redone, and the render needs to come off etc.

Then the roof has a bloody hole in it with visible water ingress in one of the rooms, which has significantly worsened since our first viewing. It's blocked gutters, cracked cement on the roof, damaged timbers etc. This is on top of the fact that basically every single bit of the house needs attention.

So we asked for a 30k drop in price which I knew they would reject but hoped they would meet us halfway. This is about 7% of the asking price (which was 475 and we agreed 470). They refused to drop the price, saying the defects we listed were factored into the cost of the house, and said they were going to have a family member who was a roofer attend to the repairs (why the f is the roof leaking then..?!). I got a rough estimate of the roof repairs from a reliable guy who said about 4k. We said this was not acceptable due to conflict of interest, and I suspected a patch up job, given the fact the house was in a bit of a state, but they wouldn't budge and we reasoned at least it would be done. (I'm long in the tooth with roof drama). The roof is easy to fix, if costly. But it's not the end of the world.

The cost of the render/damp drama however is about 20k all in, and a huge amount of work, and the survey says it can only be managed due to the high ground. There are other issues like a sewer in the garden which would hinder any extensions and frankly there's bound to be other stuff. We had two construction people go in and assess and they said it was "a good house" which reassured me, but then the surveyor said he wouldn't buy it based on the sheer amount of work it needed. They eventually agreed to fix the roof and drop the price 3k. At first I said I wanted 10k or we'd pull out, and we would have, but in the end we just can't find anything else that doesn't present similar potential issues, or other compromises we have ruled against, like no garden, or one room less. I feel like we've already decided on a rough area and a house with 100k of work needed, so I have to at least have enough space or I'll be throwing away half our stuff.

So we agreed to the 3k and the BIL roofer, but I just feel like I don't want to be a mug. I can't tell if I'm crazy to consider buying a house in a shitty area needing 100k of work to make it decent (this isn't being precious, this is conservative given it's 100+ years old and poorly maintained) without insisting they drop the price more, or if given the climate this is the best we will do and we should just accept it, as the alternative is a flat in a better area but with no garden, no space for storage and the charges. I am paralysed as this is such a high stakes decision, and the cost of moving not to mention the upheaval is such that we simply cannot afford a mistake. So is the mistake to buy a money pit and still be skint, or to live in a smaller place and risk never ever affording a house again. There are almost identical houses down the street that are immaculately done which sold for 20-50k more this year, and I feel like this means we are overpaying, given the fact we'd have to do all the work. But then I think the vendors consider they are selling us the potential. What to do?!

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Frazzled2207 · 18/10/2022 21:12

Def walk away
if you really have to sell then consider renting short term.
normally this would be a bad idea as you could get stuck and not be able to buy what you need but surely soon prices will have to come down a bit as people won’t be able to get mortgages due to the interest rate rises.

Wibbly1008 · 18/10/2022 21:13

Oh walk away, or you’ll end up in serious debts trying to fix immediate things. Damp is also seriously bad for childrens health and it’s a nightmare to get rid of. You are being warned by the survey - take the hint!

Tomanycarrots · 18/10/2022 21:15

Walk away sounds like a nightmare

Circe7 · 18/10/2022 21:15

In this market selling and renting until house prices (probably) fall a bit and / or interest rates fall doesn’t sound like a terrible idea. It doesn’t sound like you’re ever going to really like the house because you don’t like the area and probably don’t have the budget to make it nice or even comfortably habitable.

OhMondayMonday · 18/10/2022 21:16

Walk walk walk.

This house will ruin you in all sorts of ways. Financially, mentally, physically….you’re health is already compromised as you suggest, so please don’t put yourself at risk of it declining further.

I mean, the house is quite possibly one of the reason this couple are going through an acrimonious divorce!!

A580Hojas · 18/10/2022 21:17

I just can't read all of that OP.

What is your budget and where do you want to live?

WoolyMammoth55 · 18/10/2022 21:18

OP, not in the exact same situation as you but possibly comparable...?

We bought in 2019, admittedly in a nice area, but ex-Council on a 1930s council row of streets. It had been owned by our vendor for 50 years; she moved in here in her 30s as a mum of tinies and moved out in her 80s as a great-grandma.

At some point in the 70s/80s she'd installed a purple bathroom suite with matching purple carpet tiles (in the bathroom!); a dark green shagpile living room carpet and a terracotta shagpile in the dining room. She'd also gone to town with a big stone built in fireplace/mantle with stone alcove shelves, like something from the flitstones! Bless her.

Anyway, the windows were failing, the electrics hadn't been touched since shagpile carpets era, there were some signs of damp. We have a friends who is a RICS surveyor and he did our survey and said the 1930s roof was on the way out, there was possible asbestos in the textured ceilings, and he thought we were overpaying...

Unlike you I loved the area; like you I felt that we were working under a momentum that surveyor friend didn't appreciate (you've got change in mortgage affordability and I was early-days pregnant with DS2); it was a tough call. We went for it and lived in it (even with ALL those wildly unhygienic carpets) for months to get to grips with works and cost and finances.

It was not a bad call. The damp has turned out not to be an issue. The roof is holding up. We extended over the sewer with very little fuss from anyone. The plasterer skimmed the ceilings and there's zero asbestos danger now... The works cost a bomb, honestly, but we'll be here a while yet and it's a bloody gorgeous house now, so no regrets.

I realise this might not be how it all plays out for you but just want you to hear one person saying that they've been in a broadly comparable situation and not regretted just going for it. Best of luck whatever you decide x

Jessiesthedog · 18/10/2022 21:18

Do not buy that house and do not take a hit on your house unless you’re able to knock off an equal amount from the one that you purchase

Testina · 18/10/2022 21:18

Thanks @Mapleapple that’s annoying when you can put it on the filter!

But this isn’t restricted, and is nicer imo - South Croydon again, £375K, 3 bed and lovely garden.

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/127218446#/?channel=RES_BUY

Not expecting to know everything OP wants, just showing that there are other houses, cheaper in Croydon area. 3 bed is enough for most families.

Panjandrum123 · 18/10/2022 21:19

Walk away. It’s a damp money pit. It won’t be habitable for years and sounds like it will exacerbate your health conditions.

HoneyIShrunkThePizza · 18/10/2022 21:20

Is there a reason you can't move into rented accom whilst you breathe a bit? It would put you in a position of power again when house hunting. If you buy this house the upkeep is going to be horrendous!

Mapleapple · 18/10/2022 21:21

@Testina - you can filter for it, it you say not to include retirement properties.

I am not just picking on houses you choose but that property really isn’t suitable for a family. The Brighton Road is a very busy major road and that property is above a shop, those shops are open late and are the sort to have lots of noisy people hanging about.

hopelesslydevotedtoGu · 18/10/2022 21:22

Walk away. That house will make your situation worse.

I would rather

Live in a flat
Or a smaller house
Get rid of half my belongings
Or relocate to a cheaper area

They would all be better than an expensive moneypit in a bad area.

Birch01 · 18/10/2022 21:24

This makes me so so anxious just hearing about it. Walk away, there will be so many other issues you haven’t foreseen and if your health is a priority the stress of that house is not going to do you any good at all!

you don’t want to lose your buyer and need to sell your home due to your debt, so I would get looking at private rental. Get yourself a short term rental, and then next year when house prices have inevitably dropped I would begin looking for another house then.

if selling your house for the funds is priority then get that sorted first and keep your buyer

don’t rush buying somewhere completely wrong for you

Pleasegodgotosleep · 18/10/2022 21:25

Run away!!! Damp is a nightmare, will impact your and kids health and when it drives you to the point of moving you'll struggle to sell.

Soakitup37 · 18/10/2022 21:25

I felt stressed reading your post, no way would I go through with that move. The sellers sound very much like they want rid too. I’d your gut is saying don’t do it I’d listen. You don’t sound like you even like the place/area or property. Only pros are it has a garden/you can “afford” it: which I don’t think long term will be an investment into your current circumstances.

I would rent or even consider living with relatives (obviously circumstances depending) to buy time. Or buy a different flat. Flats aren’t the worse things in the world. I actually have a communal garden and park adjacent. I think your day to day happiness would be at zero going through this. Every day looking at what you have vs what you actually want/need.

Thepossibility · 18/10/2022 21:26

You would be mad to buy a moneypit when you are struggling for money.

2ManyPjs · 18/10/2022 21:30

Agree with PP, felt really stressed just reading that.

I really think if you go through with this it's going to be a decision you will regret, sadly. Rent until you find something better, because you will eventually.

Safer · 18/10/2022 21:31

Also think you should walk.

Continue with your house sale. Pay off your debts. Rent for a year until you're back on your feet.

acornsarenottheonlyfruit · 18/10/2022 21:31

No, the damp issue will always be there to some extent because of the alleyway .

HangerLaneGyratorySystem · 18/10/2022 21:33

Why Croydon OP? Are you commuting into London? 🤔

MytummydontjigglejiggleItfolds · 18/10/2022 21:34

I understand the pressure to jump, but walk away from this OP. If your buyers stand by their offer, you will have sold at a relative 'high'. I would go into a nice practical simple rental accommodation for a while, ride the crazy market out and possibly buy when house prices are more at a low. Don't tie yourself to this house because you think it's the least bad option. It will cause you so much stress and grief. You are not a charity for the sellers. Even if you stay in rented for a long time, hopefully it will be a property that suits you and I bet it won't cost you the 100k the work would (which you don't even have).

THEDEACON · 18/10/2022 21:39

Don't walk away RUN This house will be a nightmare and a money pit Sell up and rent

Testina · 18/10/2022 21:40

Mapleapple · 18/10/2022 21:21

@Testina - you can filter for it, it you say not to include retirement properties.

I am not just picking on houses you choose but that property really isn’t suitable for a family. The Brighton Road is a very busy major road and that property is above a shop, those shops are open late and are the sort to have lots of noisy people hanging about.

I used to work in Croydon 😉 a few years back though. It’s definitely a busy road! Agree it’s not an ideal location.
But even with what you describe, I’d take a main road and noisy nights over a money pit riddled with damp!

It’s not about any one property but about OP remembering that there are other options.

OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 21:41

commute into south west london, and we can't rent because our mortgage is a quarter of what rent would cost round here (literally). Also we can port our mortgage and borrow same amount but due to ill health I am not working so we wouldn't get another mortgage anywhere near.

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