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Losing my mind over house offer

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OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 20:33

This is so complicated, so apologies for length, but I am consumed by this and can't get any advice as everyone I know is just saying, shit yeah, that's a tough one!

Essentially due to financial difficulty due to my health condition we are having to sell up and downsize to pay off debts. After a long time trying to sell, we are taking a hit on our place, and we have found a house that is at the limit of our budget and needs everything doing.

We had so much difficulty finding something which worked in terms of the space we need, budget and location for commutes we decided it was fine, we'd live with dated decor, plywood floorboards, peeling finishes and a bit of damp in a rear WC, fix things like all the wires hanging out the walls, and manage with a bathroom and kitchen that were 30 years old for a while in order to have a garden for our kids. Plus it has some period charm and its relatively spacious and close to a train station, and should we win the lottery we could extend etc. It looked like areas had been patched up which made me a bit suspicious - i.e. some areas freshly painted but other parts clearly left for years, but everything in the same area in our budget seems to be run down anyway, as the wave of gentrification has not spread that far - the only reason we can afford to buy there, I guess.

We were the first to see it and were told our offer was beaten by another bidder but the vendors chose us due to being proceedable, as they had a previous sale fall through. Who knows if that's true, but given the dearth of available houses in the area I'm prepared to believe they could find another buyer without much difficulty. For context they are a late middle-aged couple having an acrimonious divorce so there is no chain, which we thought was great, but actually puts them in a position of power compared to us, with our buyers waiting for us to move and panicking about the interest rates so kind of a flight risk. The house is in a rough area (it's the bad bit of Croydon), is on the end of a street which is ok for the area, but parking will be hell and it's a bit grotty. But I am a Londoner and I can cope with that. Grateful to still be in the position to buy a house, ultimately.

Anyway, we had the survey and then a proper independent damp survey (the stakes are quite high here for me with health concerns) and found a number of issues. The highlights are irremediable damp due to high ground in adjacent alleyway, meaning the whole side of the house is registering as damp, even though none is visible. Incidentally that is the only part of the house which has been wallpapered relatively recently. There is also evidence of a previous damp proof course. What it needs is the render removed, brickwork assessed, replastering.. it goes on. The whole house is basically quite humid, has cheapo damp solutions which are making it worse, and given we viewed it in August I'm guessing that was when it was at its best. Essentially we could not do the house piecemeal as we had planned due to the fact that everything needs to be done, and you can't repaint a house if the walls need to be replastered and floors need to be redone, and the render needs to come off etc.

Then the roof has a bloody hole in it with visible water ingress in one of the rooms, which has significantly worsened since our first viewing. It's blocked gutters, cracked cement on the roof, damaged timbers etc. This is on top of the fact that basically every single bit of the house needs attention.

So we asked for a 30k drop in price which I knew they would reject but hoped they would meet us halfway. This is about 7% of the asking price (which was 475 and we agreed 470). They refused to drop the price, saying the defects we listed were factored into the cost of the house, and said they were going to have a family member who was a roofer attend to the repairs (why the f is the roof leaking then..?!). I got a rough estimate of the roof repairs from a reliable guy who said about 4k. We said this was not acceptable due to conflict of interest, and I suspected a patch up job, given the fact the house was in a bit of a state, but they wouldn't budge and we reasoned at least it would be done. (I'm long in the tooth with roof drama). The roof is easy to fix, if costly. But it's not the end of the world.

The cost of the render/damp drama however is about 20k all in, and a huge amount of work, and the survey says it can only be managed due to the high ground. There are other issues like a sewer in the garden which would hinder any extensions and frankly there's bound to be other stuff. We had two construction people go in and assess and they said it was "a good house" which reassured me, but then the surveyor said he wouldn't buy it based on the sheer amount of work it needed. They eventually agreed to fix the roof and drop the price 3k. At first I said I wanted 10k or we'd pull out, and we would have, but in the end we just can't find anything else that doesn't present similar potential issues, or other compromises we have ruled against, like no garden, or one room less. I feel like we've already decided on a rough area and a house with 100k of work needed, so I have to at least have enough space or I'll be throwing away half our stuff.

So we agreed to the 3k and the BIL roofer, but I just feel like I don't want to be a mug. I can't tell if I'm crazy to consider buying a house in a shitty area needing 100k of work to make it decent (this isn't being precious, this is conservative given it's 100+ years old and poorly maintained) without insisting they drop the price more, or if given the climate this is the best we will do and we should just accept it, as the alternative is a flat in a better area but with no garden, no space for storage and the charges. I am paralysed as this is such a high stakes decision, and the cost of moving not to mention the upheaval is such that we simply cannot afford a mistake. So is the mistake to buy a money pit and still be skint, or to live in a smaller place and risk never ever affording a house again. There are almost identical houses down the street that are immaculately done which sold for 20-50k more this year, and I feel like this means we are overpaying, given the fact we'd have to do all the work. But then I think the vendors consider they are selling us the potential. What to do?!

OP posts:
whatistheworld · 18/10/2022 21:42

move a little further out? crawley? redhill?

Gazelda · 18/10/2022 21:42

So essentially you have to move on your buyers timescale?

Have you looked at other properties? You know in your heart that you'll regret buying this house.

SuperCamp · 18/10/2022 21:44

OP, there are so many houses with gardens in your budget range in Thornton Heath, for example. I know Thornton Heath had a rep as undesirable but actually much of it is perfectly fine, especially bordering Norbury.

Life is already hard for you, I wouldn’t be buying into problems!

RewildingAmbridge · 18/10/2022 21:44

If it has those problems with the roof and damp that can only be managed not resolved, there are bound to be other issues crop up, you will end up in more debt for a house you will come to resent. You need to walk away and find somewhere else. Consider ground floor flats or maisonettes, or widening the search area a bit

Mapleapple · 18/10/2022 21:45

whatistheworld · 18/10/2022 21:42

move a little further out? crawley? redhill?

I second both of these. It would more desirable than a flat on Brighton Road OP in my opinion.

FairyLightAddict · 18/10/2022 21:46

Get a flat rather than that house. Sounds horrendous and a HUGE money pit.

Good luck.

OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 21:47

budget is 450 need to live within about 5 miles of clapham

OP posts:
OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 21:48

we searched extensively for months in surrounding areas - it's more expensive to live outside London anywhere not horrible and we do not want to move the kids from their school - that's our line in the sand.

OP posts:
ReneBumsWombats · 18/10/2022 21:49

My God, don't buy it.

Testina · 18/10/2022 21:49

Mapleapple · 18/10/2022 21:45

I second both of these. It would more desirable than a flat on Brighton Road OP in my opinion.

I’m not forcing her to buy above a shop on Brighton Road 🤣
I only showed it at all because she said she was already buying in a rough part of Croydon, and I wanted to show there are other options out there cheaper than £470.
I have colleagues in both Redhill and Crawley and definitely agree with those as nicer options!

TheLassWiADelicateAir · 18/10/2022 21:50

Testina · 18/10/2022 21:18

Thanks @Mapleapple that’s annoying when you can put it on the filter!

But this isn’t restricted, and is nicer imo - South Croydon again, £375K, 3 bed and lovely garden.

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/127218446#/?channel=RES_BUY

Not expecting to know everything OP wants, just showing that there are other houses, cheaper in Croydon area. 3 bed is enough for most families.

That's a leasehold property not freehold. I don't really understand leasehold- we don't have that tenure in Scotland except for commercial properties but presumably the unexpired duration of the lease has a bearing on price?

SuperCamp · 18/10/2022 21:50

Mapleapple · 18/10/2022 21:21

@Testina - you can filter for it, it you say not to include retirement properties.

I am not just picking on houses you choose but that property really isn’t suitable for a family. The Brighton Road is a very busy major road and that property is above a shop, those shops are open late and are the sort to have lots of noisy people hanging about.

Not to mention the extremely expensive T&C :
This property is being marketed by Choices on behalf of the seller on the basis that the buyer pays our fee of between 2.4% incl VAT and 3.6% incl VAT of the net purchase price. Unless otherwise agreed offers will therefore be submitted to the seller net of o

Teakind · 18/10/2022 21:51

Run away as fast as you can!

Honestly, it would be a terrible mistake to buy that.

Damp and mould are so bad for your health!

MadelineUsher · 18/10/2022 21:52

irremediable damp due to high ground in adjacent alleyway

Just say no. You will have worse health problems c/- this alone later.

Mapleapple · 18/10/2022 21:52

Testina · 18/10/2022 21:49

I’m not forcing her to buy above a shop on Brighton Road 🤣
I only showed it at all because she said she was already buying in a rough part of Croydon, and I wanted to show there are other options out there cheaper than £470.
I have colleagues in both Redhill and Crawley and definitely agree with those as nicer options!

Oh I know! But that’s the sort of thing in OPs price range in Croydon!

Bunnyfuller · 18/10/2022 21:56

Run away! It will be a nightmare

FistFullOfRegrets · 18/10/2022 21:56

OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 21:41

commute into south west london, and we can't rent because our mortgage is a quarter of what rent would cost round here (literally). Also we can port our mortgage and borrow same amount but due to ill health I am not working so we wouldn't get another mortgage anywhere near.

((((HUG))))

Im sorry you're in such a shit position.

Are your Health Issues ongoing or are they something you'll get better from?

Have you looked into Step Change?

i really feel it's one of those situations where you need to sit down & actually talk to someone who is knowledgeable AND unbiased.

I don't know who I'd turn to if I found myself in your situation (sadly those I would have, have died) & I don't know which professional would be best. I think I'd try to find a person who was warm & approachable in financial planning.

My gut feeling (with lots of missing information) would be to talk to 'step change' and see to what extent they can help. They may be able to get you to a position where you can stay in your house.

no matter what, I'd advise against going ahead with this purchase in the strongest terms I can.

DONT FUCKING DO IT

I understand about porting the mortgage (nationwide gives you 6 months grace on porting. I've never asked but they'd probably give longer in your situation. Check your mortgage providers rules)

Breath. I know it's scary & I know it hard to decide, but I'd back out of that purchase tomorrow & work on a plan before deciding what to tell your buyers.

Callingallskeletons · 18/10/2022 21:57

absolutely would not be buying that OP, it’s too much work, too expensive and you’d guaranteed to end up worse off than you are now

SueMetcalf · 18/10/2022 21:57

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Alibro79 · 18/10/2022 21:58

Don't do it!

BarnabyRocks · 18/10/2022 21:58

Don't buy it, all the signals are wrong. It needs too much work and too much money ploughed into it JUST to get it in to a live-able condition, for what you are likely to get in return. I could understand if it was in your preferred location, in a really desirable (for you) location and your "forever home," but from your description, it sounds like you're buying the worst house in the street in a location that it just OK for you, based on feeling a bit desperate. You would be better off going for a smaller place/small garden/no garden or just wait until something that is right (or much less risky) comes up, that speaks to you. All the best to you and I am sure you will find something that is meant to be. This doesn't sound like it.

Xenia · 18/10/2022 21:58

Sounds like it is your best option for the child's school though IF you are not prepared to drive them to school and live much further away and if you are not prepared to rent instead until you find a better house. This house has issues that could be solved if you had money and people solve them all the time so I suppose the question is will you ever have enough money eg more jobs, promotions etc that might mean you could affoird to fix the issues properly or learn the building skills to do some of the work yourselves?

GGGD · 18/10/2022 21:58

Look for another property. This one’s a joey (disaster). Avoid it at all costs.

TheLassWiADelicateAir · 18/10/2022 21:58

SuperCamp · 18/10/2022 21:50

Not to mention the extremely expensive T&C :
This property is being marketed by Choices on behalf of the seller on the basis that the buyer pays our fee of between 2.4% incl VAT and 3.6% incl VAT of the net purchase price. Unless otherwise agreed offers will therefore be submitted to the seller net of o

Is that normal?

I see it says Leasehold - The seller advises a new 999 year lease will be given upon completion of the sale. There will be no service or ground rent charges. All details to be confirmed by solicitors.

I don't like the open plan kitchen/ living room.

PorcupinePie · 18/10/2022 21:59

I'd walk. Not just because of the problems with the house itself but because you mention the sellers are going through an acrimonious divorce.

We're currently trying to buy from a couple in the same situation and our purchase is about to fall through basically because we've become pawns in their divorce proceedings. We had our offer accepted almost 6 months ago but they won't commit to the sale or instruct their solicitors to exchange until they've sorted out their dispute over how the proceeds of the sale are going to be split up. Meanwhile we've sold our previous house, moved into really unsuitable temporary accommodation, our mortgage offer expires in a little over a week, and we won't get approved for another in the current climate. We're going to end up forced to rent (the council reckons we've made ourselves "voluntarily homeless") at 3-4 times what we would have been paying on our mortgage, which will decimate our savings/deposit pot, and reduce our chances of ever being able to buy.

My advice would be never, ever buy from a divorcing couple. It's literally ruined our life and we're powerless to do anything about it.

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