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Covid named and shamed

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Otterspotter13 · 18/10/2022 05:23

I’m a healthcare worker, returned to work after a week of sick leave due to Covid. Kids also recovered and back at school. At home partner was weakly positive on antigen test (he tested positive when myself and kids were at end of our 7 days isolation) but he has never had any symptoms. Kids had missed their swimming lessons last week when they were isolating with me. On the day of my return to work, partner who should be isolating brought them to their swimming lesson. He left them enter the building themselves so he himself wouldn’t have to go inside. But at collection time he entered building, wrapped their towels around each of them and quickly left with them, bringing them straight to car so they could change there. I was at work on a 13 hr shift wearing a sweaty ffp2 mask out of consideration for my colleagues. I checked my texts and there was a message on a 10 member girl group I’m on, naming and shaming my partner because one of them knew he was positive and saw him at pool collecting kids and not wearing a mask. He is not in this group to defend himself. I’m obviously angry with him for not wearing a mask and have told him off regarding this, he realizes he was in the wrong. He says he repeated the antigen and the line is barely visible, he doesn’t believe he has covid as he is asymptomatic. He was in and out in seconds. Not defending his actions but his mistakes are his and he is not me. Im a hardworking hcw who has always respected covid guidelines. However now I have to deal with his mistake on this toxic WhatsApp group, who are publicly naming him and giving out, like I’m not there or something. He isn’t on this group. I feel it is not appropriate and this person isn’t behaving like a friend should, calling him out like this. Our partners are friends. I feel that if she has a problem she should have contacted him directly or asked her partner to discuss with him. I feel that this woman, a real stickler for the covid rules, she wants to keep covid alive when really it should be buried along with the bloody antigen tests. I’m so over it. I want to leave this group now as I don’t want to participate in toxic behavior. Aibu?

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nether · 19/10/2022 09:49

Well said @Sugarplumfairy65

It's actually quite shocking that those within NHS can countenance speaking out against the actual clinical needs to their patients. Not just those with blood cancer (though they are one of the most affected groups) but all those on active treatment for solid cancers, those who have ever had a transplant, those with certain renal diseases, those with other immune system conditions.

It is a sad indictment if the basic of "first do no harm" has been jettisoned for want of pretty basic infection control measures in hospitals.

(What's next? End of MRSA testing (affects and kills far fewer than covid) or perhaps ending precations around noro?)

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 19/10/2022 09:52

SirCharlesRainier · 19/10/2022 09:23

@WhenIgrowolder

You need to think at a population level, that's what this measure is designed for.

It's really difficult to put a precise number on how many deaths were caused by a particular disease, for obvious reasons. What you can do instead is look at the number of people who died within, say, 28 days of testing positive. This will include people who didn't die of COVID but were hit by a car, and it will exclude people who did die of COVID but took longer than 28 days to die. If you get your cutoff right, the two will cancel out and you'll have a reasonable estimate. (You might remember near the beginning they were using 56 days, and changed it because studies showed it was overestimating.)

So, again, no-one is saying this means all those people definitely died of COVID. It's just a statistical estimate, which is exactly what should be used when evaluating risk, recommending masking or other measures etc. People like the PP who use the 28 day thing as a gotcha simply haven't understood what it's for.

Did X person in particular die of COVID? That would be for their doctor to judge, and to put on the death certificate. (I don't think they would put it on just because they were on a ward with COVID patients, with no other evidence.)

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COI do a set of figures based only on whether covid was mentioned on the death certificate. So that tends to exclude accidental deaths within a certain time.

It's important that covid dates are recorded, for that is how we know that the risks of dying following as stroke are significantly higher for at least 6 months after a covid infection (even if the disease had been mild and no other long covid symptoms noted). Ditto Sudden Adult Death.

memorial · 19/10/2022 10:37

she wants to keep covid alive when really it should be buried along with the bloody antigen tests.

I was with you until this. If you really are a HCW you really should no better. How many long covid patients are you now dealing with then? Do you know how full the hospitals are with covid? Causing ever increasing backlogs for non covid care. * *

Garysmum · 19/10/2022 10:49

Sugarplumfairy65 · 19/10/2022 09:19

Don't you think that those who are cev should be protected from Covid by whatever hcp is treating them?

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of course! I’m CEV and I do think that there is an increasing trend of Heathcare providers who seem to have stopped worrying about covid. I am aware of dental nurses, opticians and midwives at work with active infections.

I’ve had to be careful in the past but generally have been able to avoid things like norovirus as people don’t tend to go out and about with that. I always try to avoid anywhere with groups of children - not easy as a parent!

IntegrityisDead · 19/10/2022 19:47

@Mamma2017 if you're a HCP then you're not a very clever one - you can't even understand what I wrote!
I hope you don't work in infection control.

Mamma2017 · 19/10/2022 19:58

IntegrityisDead · 19/10/2022 19:47

@Mamma2017 if you're a HCP then you're not a very clever one - you can't even understand what I wrote!
I hope you don't work in infection control.

🤣🤣🤣 bless your confused soul 🙏🏼

IntegrityisDead · 19/10/2022 20:01

@Sundayvibes I would be interested to know what special insight you have into the machinations of the media regarding Covid that the rest of us ignorant sheep don't have access to.... Have you a MAGA cap as well?

GloriousGlory · 19/10/2022 20:34

chantico · 19/10/2022 09:16

Interesting piece on BBC "twindemic" of flu and covid likely to take up half of NHS capacity this winter.

Other European countries (Germany/Switzerland) are already introducing mask mandates to avert this. We don't seem to have the same wish to avert crisis, or will to do it.

Public health measures don't work when it's individual choice.

Half the NHS axis it's us sod all in the YK, years of Tory shit government has made sure of that.

Covid isn't the issue, it's the government that have run it into the ground!

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