Covid named and shamed

[Otterspotter13]

I’m a healthcare worker, returned to work after a week of sick leave due to Covid. Kids also recovered and back at school. At home partner was weakly positive on antigen test (he tested positive when myself and kids were at end of our 7 days isolation) but he has never had any symptoms. Kids had missed their swimming lessons last week when they were isolating with me. On the day of my return to work, partner who should be isolating brought them to their swimming lesson. He left them enter the building themselves so he himself wouldn’t have to go inside. But at collection time he entered building, wrapped their towels around each of them and quickly left with them, bringing them straight to car so they could change there. I was at work on a 13 hr shift wearing a sweaty ffp2 mask out of consideration for my colleagues. I checked my texts and there was a message on a 10 member girl group I’m on, naming and shaming my partner because one of them knew he was positive and saw him at pool collecting kids and not wearing a mask. He is not in this group to defend himself. I’m obviously angry with him for not wearing a mask and have told him off regarding this, he realizes he was in the wrong. He says he repeated the antigen and the line is barely visible, he doesn’t believe he has covid as he is asymptomatic. He was in and out in seconds. Not defending his actions but his mistakes are his and he is not me. Im a hardworking hcw who has always respected covid guidelines. However now I have to deal with his mistake on this toxic WhatsApp group, who are publicly naming him and giving out, like I’m not there or something. He isn’t on this group. I feel it is not appropriate and this person isn’t behaving like a friend should, calling him out like this. Our partners are friends. I feel that if she has a problem she should have contacted him directly or asked her partner to discuss with him. I feel that this woman, a real stickler for the covid rules, she wants to keep covid alive when really it should be buried along with the bloody antigen tests. I’m so over it. I want to leave this group now as I don’t want to participate in toxic behavior. Aibu?

Er - ALL deaths are recorded this way!!!!!!

There are no god damn rules to be broken anyway and who gives a shiny Shite more than 2 and half years later . Life goes on so tell her firmly and bluntly to fuck off .

< It’s key for epidemiological data and prioritising needs for health service planning >

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People dont care about tbe current guidance 🤷🏼‍♀️

It is isn't it? Especially for the 500,000 still having to shield because they are cev and the vaccinations don't give them any antibodies.

Why all the drama, just respond and say oh sorry for confusion he’s tested negative. Job done.

Do you work with patients who are cev?

Worked for the NHS as a respiratory physiotherapist for 15 years now, so sorry you have to deny that to fit you narrative of fear, anxiety and control. I’d advise seek counselling to address your anxieties instead of berating people for living their lives where a pandemic situation is now very much under control. Good luck.

Yes

It still gives an indication of how many deaths are due to COVID at a population level, even though any given individual "could have been hit by a car" or whichever cliche people like you always come out with.

Please tell me you're not really too stupid to understand this? It's a reallocated simple point, especially for a 'healthcare professional' (aye, right).

I would think all healthcare workers dealing with the public will deal with CEV people even if the role is not specific to vulnerable people like a cancer nurse etc. CEV people can have lots of health conditions - they see GPs, dentists, opticians, all the specialities at hospital, MH practitioners etc. They are in care homes, nurseries and schools.

As I said, god help us all

@SirCharlesRainier
'It gives an indication of how many people died of covid' - does it not include many people who died of other things such as a stroke, heart attack etc but just happened to have Covid also? I know a relation of mine in hospital and the whole ward has Covid but they are not in hospital for that. But if they die they will go down as a 'Covid' death as Covid will be mentioned on the death certificate. This is what I have read or is this incorrect?

"Us older folks" - i.e. people over 50? WTF?

I am not in the slightest bit interested in Covid and am not even thinking about whether or not to have a booster. I have never done a Covid test. If I am properly ill, I won't go out. If I am not properly ill, I will. Regardless of what name you put on the particular illness. I am genuinely astonished that anyone would think that "us older folks" spend our lives thinking about Covid even for a second.

People are still dying

As for this: people were dying long before Covid. It's kind of inevitable.

I have never taken a test but I guess that is quite common if you don't work as it is often workplaces that require people to test

I'd be cheesed off if someone knowingly positive didn't even put a mask on. What's more dramatic? Putting people at risk intentionally or wearing a mask?

Numbers of excess and premature deaths are the ones meant. Not that people are dying at all.

And the one which really should concern us is UK having the most covid hospital admissions per million in Europe by quite a margin. Other countries are concerned enough about the pressures on theit health services for the governments to act.

This one, and especially its far right individualist faction seem utterly set on sending us to hell in a handbasket

Hijacking the thread I’m afraid but can you tell me if there is a way to see a respiratory physio without going through respiratory clinic first? Have been on a waiting list for ages as I’ve gone from fit and healthy to being on various inhalers and struggling to breathe since getting covid 2 1/2 years ago.

I just want to see a physio to find out what I can do for myself but trying to get to one is like trying to get a personal audience with the Dalai Lama. Private ones only seem to do MSK stuff.

Interesting piece on BBC "twindemic" of flu and covid likely to take up half of NHS capacity this winter.

Other European countries (Germany/Switzerland) are already introducing mask mandates to avert this. We don't seem to have the same wish to avert crisis, or will to do it.

Public health measures don't work when it's individual choice.

Don't you think that those who are cev should be protected from Covid by whatever hcp is treating them?

I’m not a covid denier.
we know covid is amongst us.
it’s just about perspective instead of project fear by governments and media that have scared the population.

@WhenIgrowolder

You need to think at a population level, that's what this measure is designed for.

It's really difficult to put a precise number on how many deaths were caused by a particular disease, for obvious reasons. What you can do instead is look at the number of people who died within, say, 28 days of testing positive. This will include people who didn't die of COVID but were hit by a car, and it will exclude people who did die of COVID but took longer than 28 days to die. If you get your cutoff right, the two will cancel out and you'll have a reasonable estimate. (You might remember near the beginning they were using 56 days, and changed it because studies showed it was overestimating.)

So, again, no-one is saying this means all those people definitely died of COVID. It's just a statistical estimate, which is exactly what should be used when evaluating risk, recommending masking or other measures etc. People like the PP who use the 28 day thing as a gotcha simply haven't understood what it's for.

Did X person in particular die of COVID? That would be for their doctor to judge, and to put on the death certificate. (I don't think they would put it on just because they were on a ward with COVID patients, with no other evidence.)

Would you say the same to blood cancer patients who have been advised to continue to shield? That they should ignore the consultants advice and just seek counselling?

@SirCharlesRainier
Thank you , well explained and good to know.