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sunnydaytoday0 · 2022-10-17T00:00:01+00:00

Or maybe Tuesday at the latest? Would she really want to face the absolute public humiliation of PMQs on Wednesday?

antelopevalley · 18/10/2022 22:19

Of course the UK can afford a general election.
The conservative party cant afford a general election as they would be totally defeated.

lannistunut · 18/10/2022 22:23

Ishbel28 · 18/10/2022 22:11

Unfortunately In these economic conditions the U.K. can’t afford a general election. Plus those living south of the border probably don’t realise the next election is being used by the SNP as a de facto independence referendum. If SNP win more seats in a general election as they have in every one in recent years - not more votes like in a referendum (they’ve never managed that ever) - they plan to force a second referendum on Scotland against the country’s large majority vote to stay in the U.K. They are plotting to destroy the U.K. and this is the perfect time. If this happens the current problems are a mere shadow of what’s ahead!

We can't afford not to have a GE, we need a proper government.

And people in England do understand what is happening around Scottish independence! The likelihood of a no vote rises if Labour get in tbh, who wouldn't want to get away from Tory misrule?!

It is the fucking Tories destroying the UK.

Topseyt123 · 18/10/2022 22:24

The UK absolutely CAN afford a general election. It must in the next couple of years regardless of anything else.

The Conservatives do not want one because they know they would be soundly defeated.

lannistunut · 18/10/2022 22:27

Also - how can the SNP win the referendum if it is not what the Scottish people want, and if it is what teh Scottosh people want, why should they be prevented from having it?

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sunnydaytoday0 · 18/10/2022 22:28

Various tory MPs are saying publicly on twitter tonight that they wouldn't vote in favour of ending the pensions triple lock. PM now has no authority, there'll be loads of them not worried about rebelling anymore.

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antelopevalley · 18/10/2022 22:29

I agree. If Scottish people want to be independent they should be able to. If they don't, then fine.

BirmaBrite · 18/10/2022 22:35

Various tory MPs are saying publicly on twitter tonight that they wouldn't vote in favour of ending the pensions triple lock

I bet they are !

Pants0nFir3 · 18/10/2022 22:48

Farking hope so. She's a poo storm

Pants0nFir3 · 18/10/2022 22:51

Must be all so tiring for your middle class pensions blah blah blah

eastegg · 18/10/2022 23:12

Tarragon123 · 18/10/2022 20:41

Can you imagine her poor children??

I know! I can’t help thinking of that MN line, which I normally agree with, ‘it’s good for women to go out and work to set a good example to their kids’. Er, except for you, LT.

scaredoff · 18/10/2022 23:22

Ishbel28 · 18/10/2022 22:11

Unfortunately In these economic conditions the U.K. can’t afford a general election. Plus those living south of the border probably don’t realise the next election is being used by the SNP as a de facto independence referendum. If SNP win more seats in a general election as they have in every one in recent years - not more votes like in a referendum (they’ve never managed that ever) - they plan to force a second referendum on Scotland against the country’s large majority vote to stay in the U.K. They are plotting to destroy the U.K. and this is the perfect time. If this happens the current problems are a mere shadow of what’s ahead!

They've never managed more votes in a referendum ever, and the country has (according to you) a "large majority vote to stay in the UK". So why are you so worried about them "forcing" a second referendum. On that information you should be confident they'll lose it?

Good on them. I hope they get their referendum and I hope they win it. If the English will insist upon living in a state of permanent, masochistic Tory-inflicted misery, the least one can hope for is that those other parts of the UK who have had the sense to never sign up to it, are able to free themselves from it.

It fact it seems very odd to me that you seem to be suggesting the English try to avoid having a general election when one would be appropriate, because having one might allow the Scots to "escape" from their duty of saving us from this disaster of our own making.

vera99 · 18/10/2022 23:27

Ishbel28 · 18/10/2022 22:11

Unfortunately In these economic conditions the U.K. can’t afford a general election. Plus those living south of the border probably don’t realise the next election is being used by the SNP as a de facto independence referendum. If SNP win more seats in a general election as they have in every one in recent years - not more votes like in a referendum (they’ve never managed that ever) - they plan to force a second referendum on Scotland against the country’s large majority vote to stay in the U.K. They are plotting to destroy the U.K. and this is the perfect time. If this happens the current problems are a mere shadow of what’s ahead!

Won't happen and if it does at best it will be an advisory vote with no legal basis. The Tories will never do it and come the next Labour landslide and a government for all the country the Indyref feeling will drop back and the danger to the Union will have passed. It's Tory's plastic patriots have threatened the Union and they should never be forgiven

Novum · 18/10/2022 23:39

Kellie45 · 18/10/2022 09:49

That is a stupid statement. The guy is a brilliant writer. All you do with a statement like that is to show how ill informed (or ill educated) you yourself are. You can say that organisation was not one of his strong points. Fine. He certainly had deficiencies as a leader of a country but to say he is thick is just ridiculous.

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I agree he isn't thick, but his cleverness is quite superficial and, in particular, is marred by his extreme laziness.

As for being a brilliant writer, no. His attempts to write historical books are marred by exactly the same problem. To take just one example, read the review by Richard Evans (who is a genuinely brilliant historian) of his book about Churchill. Evans is nothing if not a stickler for historical accuracy - he gave evidence for Penguin in the Irving v Penguin Books and Lipstadt case - and is wholly unimpressed by Johnson's totally slipshod approach to basic research.

Novum · 19/10/2022 00:00

In the meantime, there's been a vote on having buffer zones for protests around abortion clinics. May and Mordaunt voted for it, and utterly predictably Rees-Mogg, Braverman and Badenoch voted against. Fascinating how Braverman is all in favour of the right to demonstrate when it involves targeting women seeking abortions.

Novum · 19/10/2022 00:01

I meant to give a link for that - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63302710

DowningStreetParty · 19/10/2022 00:14

Thank goodness that law passed and thanks for the link ^Novum*

No thanks to all the Tory MPs who sided with those protesters who get their cameras out outside clinics and film women and girls coming in and out to try to intimidate them. They’re absolute scumbags and highly unChristian by my experience of Christian decency.

If those people don’t like abortion law since 1967 then they should lobby Parliament to put it back to Victorian times, not try to frighten, shame and harass women and girls on the street.

romatheroamer · 19/10/2022 06:48

It's all right for Mogg, he has loads of police to protect him when he walks through public places (see Tory conference, he's a really "popular" guy.) Those poor women don't.

derxa · 19/10/2022 06:53

Good on them. I hope they get their referendum and I hope they win it. If the English will insist upon living in a state of permanent, masochistic Tory-inflicted misery, the least one can hope for is that those other parts of the UK who have had the sense to never sign up to it, are able to free themselves from it.
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User98866 · 19/10/2022 07:23

Novum · 19/10/2022 00:00

In the meantime, there's been a vote on having buffer zones for protests around abortion clinics. May and Mordaunt voted for it, and utterly predictably Rees-Mogg, Braverman and Badenoch voted against. Fascinating how Braverman is all in favour of the right to demonstrate when it involves targeting women seeking abortions.

Good god that is disgusting. And there’s women on here praising the likes of Braverman and Badenoch for their stance on womens rights.

scaredoff · 19/10/2022 07:57

Won't happen and if it does at best it will be an advisory vote with no legal basis.

Oh well that's OK then. It's not like one of those could ever make any difference to anything. 😀

Alexandra2001 · 19/10/2022 08:10

derxa · 19/10/2022 06:53

Good on them. I hope they get their referendum and I hope they win it. If the English will insist upon living in a state of permanent, masochistic Tory-inflicted misery, the least one can hope for is that those other parts of the UK who have had the sense to never sign up to it, are able to free themselves from it.
Never Never Never

Thats what they said about leaving the EU too.

In a voluntary "Union" any party should be allowed to have as many votes on the subject as it likes & certainly not be dependent on one party controlling membership... its then no longer a voluntary union.

If its such a good thing, the great people of Scotland will decide to stay & pro unionist parties will sweep the SNP from power.

RedAppleGirl · 19/10/2022 08:12

greenhousegal · 18/10/2022 19:39

Witness protection is where many of them, including Truss need to be. The nerve of them. Arrogant sods the lot of them. Treating us as if we are naughty children who don't understand the adult world of politics and economics. A school playground would have more people with integrity and intelligence in it.

And Brexit. Whether you agree with it or not, the absolutely painful process of pretending it's great, and appointing pro Brexit people exclusively all the way along, and maintaining a false front for it is the reason no one with any intelligence is at the helm anymore.

Who don't understand the adult world of politics and economics.

People quite clearly don't understand anything about the economy.
People think it's about their food cupboard, their energy bills, and their mortgages. It's not, the global economy has and will have issues trying to restart after Covid.
This is why we should call a GE- the tories have lost the respectful mandate with all the incessant infighting. The Scottish, well give them independence, leave their benefactors. Bye, give social media what they wish.
90 countries' citizens are currently marching, an outcry over energy. Pandemics are an existential shock wave to the global system. The recovery is painful, I would expect a minimum 5yrs of shock wave after shock wave.
Unfortunately, there isn't another narrative nor is there another time stream.

Alexandra2001 · 19/10/2022 08:18

@RedAppleGirl Tbf had Putin not invaded Ukraine, 75% of what has happened since, wouldn't have, no energy price shocks and inflation around 5% is doable.

I'm just waiting for that other dictator, Xi, to invade Taiwan and collapse the global economy even further.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 19/10/2022 08:20

I'm just waiting for that other dictator, Xi, to invade Taiwan and collapse the global economy even further.

That's not going to happen any time soon. Putin's failure and humiliation has provided some very useful lessons, and if Xi uses his sense he'll keep his head down and use the opportunity to make a weakened Russia China's bitch.

derxa · 19/10/2022 08:22

Alexandra2001 · 19/10/2022 08:10

Thats what they said about leaving the EU too.

In a voluntary "Union" any party should be allowed to have as many votes on the subject as it likes & certainly not be dependent on one party controlling membership... its then no longer a voluntary union.

If its such a good thing, the great people of Scotland will decide to stay & pro unionist parties will sweep the SNP from power.

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Are you Scottish? The Yesers are just as deluded as the Brexiteers. Harking back to some romantic idea of Scotland that never existed.