Will Liz Truss resign today?

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Or maybe Tuesday at the latest? Would she really want to face the absolute public humiliation of PMQs on Wednesday?

It seems the only reason she hasn't gone is that her MPs haven't fully yet united behind one candidate to take over..

Pretty much. Same reason Johnson was able to hang around so long, they couldn't see anyone who they thought was a viable replacement. Then obviously they've just learned a hard lesson about what happens when a candidate who objectively isn't very good, ie basically everyone they've got at the mo, gets into office without anything remotely resembling the party uniting behind them.

I share your concern up to a point, but really - how do we describe people who voted for this, have watched it play out and still think it was a good idea?

I also agree that we won't be rejoining anything anytime soon. The UK has proved that it is a bad faith actor internationally, that it is not to be trusted to adhere to treaties it has signed, that it is delusional about its own status on the international stage. The EU will be very wary of the UK and rightfully so. A lengthy period of rehabilitation and eating humble pie will be needed.

Agree.

Funny how tory members were losing their shit for Kemi Bedenoch when she was the most small-state candidate of the lot, a philosophy we now know is toxic to voters at large.

But hey, 'if you don't like my principles I have some new ones'.

A new poll of the 'red wall' seats in the north that Labour lost is being released at 5pm. Last week Labour were 38% ahead in those seats. Goodness knows how huge that lead is now.

Sky News reporting a new You Gov poll showing that a majority of Tory party members want her to resign.

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but really - how do we describe people who voted for this, have watched it play out and still think it was a good idea?
People with whom I disagree.

Johnson has topped a members poll for who they most want as their next leader, which gives you some indication at how fucked the party is.

(Sunak was a comfortable second, followed by Wallace)

So is Truss going and we get a second Prime Minister unelected by the public?
And are they going to change the rules so Conservative Party members can't even vote for the new Prime Minister?
Or are we getting Boris Johnson back?
This is like a soap opera.

But the Tory membership don't care what will go down well with voters, they are keen to inflict things on us that will benefit them and their mates - and until really recently they have been assisted by weird Stockholm syndrome voting patterns (shaft us some more!) and our ridiculous voting system.

Is is isn't it? I would be quite enjoying all the drama if it wasn't for the fact that it's our lives being f*ed up by all this.

Everyone has a vote and a voice in a democracy, brexit and brexiteers won an argument with lies and dog whistles and they refuse to back down from this argument. Like any group whose views or actions are harmful to the country, they need to be at least minimised and ideally cut out of the national conversation completely.

Look how successfully labour dealt with the Corbynistas.

As to whether we could rejoin the EU - not easily and maybe not even possibly. However the single market is a possibility

I wonder if Sunak will want to put himself forward now? He must realise what a mess truss has left the country in (as predicted), and therefore he will be out at the next election (if he were PM now).
I wonder if he's going to play the long game - let somebody else try to unravel this mess, and put himself forward again when the Tories lose the next GE. He can then be the leader of the opposition for a while, with the aim of winning a subsequent GE.

From another forum but from a long-term poster who I trust.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Truss

My dad had dinner with a colleague of his last month and they apparently are no longer on speaking terms

A difficult family situation, but I can understand it. I would be very upset if any of my DC went full rabid Tory after being brought up to have compassion, fairness and decency.

He obviously has some sort of superbrain and her mum was a nurse and teacher so genetics wise she must have a clever and intelligent mind. She's not thick in the sense of low IQ probably the opposite - too clever for her own good coupled with greed and fanatical and tyrannical ambition.

web.archive.org/web/20220223210548/www1.maths.leeds.ac.uk/pure/staff/truss/truss.html

I don't think she's thick at all. Intelligence comes in many forms - there are plenty of very intelligent people who don't have the empathy, strategic insight, people skills or plain human decency needed to run a country. I suspect many of the current top Tories have high IQs - but they are not decent human beings in any way.

Truss has a good mathematical brain, apparently, but seems to suffer a critical lack of emotional intelligence, self-awareness and humility. A friend of mine worked at the Treasury when Truss was Chief Secretary, and says that Truss really couldn’t see civil servants - even if they were very clever economists etc - as respected colleagues or members of the team. She would start meetings by thowing mental arithmetic problems at them and laugh weirdly if they couldn’t answer them straight away - apparently enjoying humiliating people in front of the group.

I’m not feeling sorry for her this week. Everything that has happened was foreseeable and eminently avoidable, if only she had had the sense and good grace to take the advice available to her. Instead she sacked Tom Scholar, ignored Sunak’s warnings and threw us all under the bus.

@HonorHiding A good friend of mine worked in Liz Truss' private office in one of her Cabinet roles - she was the sort of Minister that was hated by her PPS/PSs - the sort that they had to almost apologise to the teams in the department after meetings with her (and most PS are generally really loyal and understanding of Minister's too...)

@HonorHiding Rory Stewart recently said the same thing about her - that she enjoys bombarding people with tricky maths questions to put them in the spot. What a horrible trait. Apparently (according to her old interview on Political Thinking) her father was a maths teacher and used to ask her quick-fire maths questions at the dinner table, so perhaps it's a hangover from that and some sort of childhood trauma throw up.

Anyway it's pathetic unprofessional behaviour for a grown woman, and undiplomatic too.

Body language expert Judi James is making mileage out of Truss' body language,

If you look at the recent interviews of her straight after the mini-budget, she's like a rabbit in the headlights - lots of brandishing her finger when she's justifying the decisions made, leaning forward, ums and urrs, are all signs of being under threat/fight-or-flight behaviour.

LT is just not going to resign.

Do you really not remember the number of apparent "last chances" Boris had ffs? He stayed for 3 years and 44 days.

Liz Truss is going nowhere. Her remit to be literally unbelievably shit with zero consequences is much larger than most people seem to understand.

Financial Times going long and hard on Brexit at last - the greatest act of economic self-harm in modern economic history.

The Brexit effect: how leaving the EU hit the UK
The UK's recent disastrous "mini" Budget can trace its origins back to Britain's decision to leave the European Union. The economic costs of Brexit were masked by the Covid-19 pandemic and the crisis in Ukraine. But six years after the UK voted to leave, the effect has become clear. In this film, senior FT writers and British businesspeople examine how Brexit hit the UK economy, the political conspiracy of silence, and why there has not yet been a convincing case for a 'Brexit dividend'

www.ft.com/video/91b8a350-5817-4b40-a5ea-c62ec832aa9c