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Will Liz Truss resign today?

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sunnydaytoday0 · 17/10/2022 01:00

Or maybe Tuesday at the latest? Would she really want to face the absolute public humiliation of PMQs on Wednesday?

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Blossomtoes · 18/10/2022 18:45

Vynalbob · 18/10/2022 18:43

Only if she wants to be remembered, as being in the record books as the shortest time in office someone's been UK PM is probably the only way she will be.

She’ll be remembered as the PM who crashed the economy less than three weeks after taking power. That’s some going.

the80sweregreat · 18/10/2022 18:47

It's always about the bloody party isn't it?
The rest of us can go hang for all they care

venus7 · 18/10/2022 18:48

TowerblocksAndSunflowers · 17/10/2022 07:20

Currently their rules are they can't get rid of her for a year. But if they had a majority of MPs who wanted to vote her out, they'd also have enough MPs to vote to just change that rule.

I really dislike that internal Tory party rules get to dictate who is our new PM and they can change the rules to suit themselves. Especially when they decided once and now think they decided wrong.

I'mof the opinion there should always be a general election if a PM has to stand down. I'm not into this unelected PM malarkey. Even more so this time when they are fucking the country over with their extremely bumpy transition.

Wise words......agree completely.

venus7 · 18/10/2022 18:49

wheresmymojo · 17/10/2022 07:34

I've been thinking this for a while...

I've caught myself thinking several times that Michael Gove and Jeremy Hunt would be infinitely preferable to Boris, and then Liz.

I never, ever imagined that I would think Gove was the kind of Tory I'd be pleased to see in Government.

I'm at the stage now where I don't care what they're like as a human or what their politics are - just the basics of being one of the 'grown ups' would be a win.

Oh..........dammit; this.

the80sweregreat · 18/10/2022 18:50

They are shutting out us arnt they ?
No change there

vera99 · 18/10/2022 18:55

Lowest bar ever - headline in the Guardian.

Truss gets through cabinet without any minister telling her she should quit, No 10 says

My money's on a Mordaunt / Sunak ticket with Jeremy Hunt back as Foreign Secretary. Continuity May as it were with a headbanger cull.

"We have listened and we have learnt, difficult times globally blah, blah,blah"

Still won't be enough to stop a Labour majority but might eat into a landslide and utter annihilation.

Yayhelen · 18/10/2022 18:55

If she hangs on another 20 days she gets the ex PM pension so doubtless that will be a factor!

Topseyt123 · 18/10/2022 19:02

She's going to try and hang on, I think. Why though? She has made such an utter dog's breakfast of everything and must know it.

She looks awful, looks like her confidence is utterly spent and has ebbed away. She cannot possibly be enjoying her job or her life at the moment so surely needs to step back.

That isn't necessarily sympathy. Just observation. Much of the trouble is self-inflicted and has had a widespread effect on everyone.

MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2022 19:09

I wonder if people have said you need to stay while we sort some stuff out

I don’t get it either. It just looks so hard

75daisies · 18/10/2022 19:10

Anon778833 · 17/10/2022 04:12

The UK has become the biggest joke, ever.

Welllll…. That pretty much started with Brexit. The source of all of this misery lies firmly at the feet of Boris. What a legacy.

sharonarnott · 18/10/2022 19:18

No way will that hard faced mare resign. She will have to be dragged off kicking and screaming. She's a joke.

sharonarnott · 18/10/2022 19:19

AliceNutter · 17/10/2022 01:39

I am cringing so hard for Liz Truss.

If I was her and I'd fucked up this badly I would be leaving the country name change the lot 😭

Sorry but that did make me laugh, in a good way :)

the80sweregreat · 18/10/2022 19:24

She could call herself Mary O Leary , wear glasses and a wig and smuggle herself out of the country
The border control would let her go quietly

the80sweregreat · 18/10/2022 19:25

She wants to cling on for sure.
It'll take a lot to make her go.
The conservatives have Hunt in charge now , so they will let her rot in place.

greenhousegal · 18/10/2022 19:39

Witness protection is where many of them, including Truss need to be. The nerve of them. Arrogant sods the lot of them. Treating us as if we are naughty children who don't understand the adult world of politics and economics. A school playground would have more people with integrity and intelligence in it.

And Brexit. Whether you agree with it or not, the absolutely painful process of pretending it's great, and appointing pro Brexit people exclusively all the way along, and maintaining a false front for it is the reason no one with any intelligence is at the helm anymore.

vera99 · 18/10/2022 19:47

the80sweregreat · 18/10/2022 19:24

She could call herself Mary O Leary , wear glasses and a wig and smuggle herself out of the country
The border control would let her go quietly

Clavinova · 18/10/2022 20:19

SleeplessInEngland
Extraordinary poll from ⁦@ InstituteGC
⁩⁩Strong majority think Brexit has damaged economy. Tiny number believe we should keep things as they are. More Leave voters support rejoin or Single Market than status quo. 70:30 majority overall for closer relationship with EU.

Don't get your hopes up too much on rejoin/single market.
From the same poll;

9. Over two-thirds of voters think the UK should be in a closer relationship with the EU over the medium term, but only a third are in favour of the single-market type arrangement.

^When asked what the UK’s place within Europe should be in the next 10–15 years, just under a quarter (23 per cent) say “inside the European Union”...

There is little appetite among the British public for a preferential migration policy for European workers. Voters across the board, including just under half of Remainers (47 per cent), want European workers to be treated the same as other foreign workers.

institute.global/policy/moving-how-british-public-views-brexit-and-what-it-wants-future-relationship-european-union

MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2022 20:29

I was wondering about origin of that tweet thanks for link

Clavinova · 18/10/2022 20:36

No problem.

Tarragon123 · 18/10/2022 20:41

Can you imagine her poor children??

SomewhereInTheMIdlands · 18/10/2022 20:47

Kellie45 · 17/10/2022 06:41

And an even worse party will be in with even worse financial management and wokeness. I think you have this incredible naivete that just by putting another lot in things will get better.

Contrary to popular belief, as is proclaimed a million times over in the right wing press, Labour has always been more financially responsible than the tories. It was the tory government in the early 70s that did almost exactly the same as truss, got away with it but then followed massive inflation which lead to strikes (sound familiar?) and the 3 day weeks. Just before the end of the Heath Tory government, they considered getting a bail out from the IMF, which the incomming Labour party had to do and as such got the blame for it from our friends at the Telegraph, daily mail etc. Thatcher did the same which lead to the 82/3 recession and ever increasing interest rates. Thatcher also sold off the nations assets to finance tax cuts for the rich and so it goes, repeating over and over, then Labour comes in to clean up the mess but at the same time gets the blame. We have had 12 years of contraction of the real economy since Cameron got in, not just a recent phenomenon, Brexit, Johnson and Truss are just the turd on the shitcake of tory governance.

derxa · 18/10/2022 20:52

SomewhereInTheMIdlands · 18/10/2022 20:47

Contrary to popular belief, as is proclaimed a million times over in the right wing press, Labour has always been more financially responsible than the tories. It was the tory government in the early 70s that did almost exactly the same as truss, got away with it but then followed massive inflation which lead to strikes (sound familiar?) and the 3 day weeks. Just before the end of the Heath Tory government, they considered getting a bail out from the IMF, which the incomming Labour party had to do and as such got the blame for it from our friends at the Telegraph, daily mail etc. Thatcher did the same which lead to the 82/3 recession and ever increasing interest rates. Thatcher also sold off the nations assets to finance tax cuts for the rich and so it goes, repeating over and over, then Labour comes in to clean up the mess but at the same time gets the blame. We have had 12 years of contraction of the real economy since Cameron got in, not just a recent phenomenon, Brexit, Johnson and Truss are just the turd on the shitcake of tory governance.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_sterling_crisis

pointythings · 18/10/2022 21:01

Voters across the board, including just under half of Remainers (47 per cent), want European workers to be treated the same as other foreign workers.

You do realise that this doesn't necessarily mean what you would like it to mean? I would like to see this question expanded to ask whether those polled want 1) the same restrictive system the UK currently has for everyone (which is leading to a shortage of workers in many occupations, or 2) a freedom to come and work for all nationalities, as long as they are actually working and paying taxes - the way EU FoM could always have been handled but the UK chose not to.

Until that question is asked, it's a bit of data that cannot be interpreted one way or another.

Maggiethecat · 18/10/2022 22:10

Just watched Tory member who voted for Liz, interviewed by BBC, expressing that she is so disappointed in the PM and that what she is seeing now doesn’t represent Tory values.

Another one talking about how Liz seemed so strong during the leadership campaign, now disappointed that she seems so weak and wishes that she would go.

What were these people really hearing over the summer?

Ishbel28 · 18/10/2022 22:11

Unfortunately In these economic conditions the U.K. can’t afford a general election. Plus those living south of the border probably don’t realise the next election is being used by the SNP as a de facto independence referendum. If SNP win more seats in a general election as they have in every one in recent years - not more votes like in a referendum (they’ve never managed that ever) - they plan to force a second referendum on Scotland against the country’s large majority vote to stay in the U.K. They are plotting to destroy the U.K. and this is the perfect time. If this happens the current problems are a mere shadow of what’s ahead!

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