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Will Liz Truss resign today?

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sunnydaytoday0 · 17/10/2022 01:00

Or maybe Tuesday at the latest? Would she really want to face the absolute public humiliation of PMQs on Wednesday?

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Amaksy · 18/10/2022 17:36

Surely the lady has said “sorry” and can stay.

the80sweregreat · 18/10/2022 17:40

Sorry for ruining people's life's
Not good enough

Blueblell · 18/10/2022 17:51

I don’t think she will go for a while yet!

oggie679 · 18/10/2022 17:52

She's not going to resign unless she's forced to - personally I don't want her to even though I'd never vote her in - our markets need some stability, ; this inconsistency is going to affect us for years.

vera99 · 18/10/2022 17:56

AlecTrevelyan006 · 18/10/2022 15:44

I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s been told not to resign - the 1922 committee need to work out a way to ensure a ‘smooth’ and face saving way of replacing her. Then she’ll be out the door.

Looking that way. The haunted figure will be around past Halloween at least.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/beware-a-tory-in-a-hurry

Liz Truss will not lead the Conservative party into the next general election, despite her rather hesitant claim to the contrary in an interview with the BBC’s Chris Mason. There are probably now fewer than 20 Conservative MPs prepared to go into that contest with Ms Truss, or her alter ego Ann Droid, in charge. So she will be dispensed with, as even she must realise in those moments when a little bit of self-awareness creeps into her psyche. This being so obviously the case means the necessity to dump her at ultra-high speed has oddly receded.

Jeremy Hunt is in total command of economic policy, sending reassuringly brutal messages to the money markets about his plans for the public finances. As such, there is no overwhelming imperative for Sir Graham Brady and his new 1922 Committee executive to arrange the Truss execution in a hurry. As a former foreign secretary, Truss is acceptably competent and steady on policy towards Ukraine and Russia. She is in no position to propose any radical innovation on any other major issue either – and she knows it.

So, whatever the Daily Mail front page may demand, the key task facing the Brady Bunch is not to do it fast but to get it right. That means arriving at a successor as PM with the best chance of limiting the incoming damage of a general election that will be held at some point in the next two years. If Tory MPs get it wrong this time, inflicting a third extended period of self-obsessed hysteria upon the British public within a single parliamentary term, then a Canadian-style wipe-out will surely result. By contrast, if they choose the right successor and can unite around that figure and embark on a period of cool and steady public administration then 250 or more of them may make it back to SW1.

Given that Truss appears to wish to soak up her current humiliation for as long as possible – presumably hoping to crawl past George Canning’s term in office and thus avoid being the shortest-lived PM ever – there is even a case for letting her go on until next spring. That way she could soak up the opprobrium that will flow from the public to whoever the occupant of 10 Downing Street is. There will be all kinds of bad news that must be endured in the near term: drastically falling living standards, an awful NHS winter crisis, outrage over illegal immigration, rising crime, public expenditure cuts, tax rises. Perhaps Tory MPs will reflect that had they kept their heads they could have had Boris Johnson doing this – and with an outside chance of somehow pulling off a miraculous recovery in his standings.

Now they must make do with Truss taking the punishment or parachute yet another leader straight into this political hell-hole. And this time it will have to be the leader who takes them into their next encounter with the electorate and who must be marketed at it as the strong and stable character Britain needs.
Yesterday, Labour's Clive Efford cracked a joke in the Commons chamber about Truss being kept on display in the manner of Charlton Heston at the end of the movie El Cid. Perhaps, after sober reflection, Sir Graham and other senior Tory MPs will conclude that is a ruse that cannot be stretched into next year. In which case consulting widely with colleagues, formulating a sensible succession plan and implementing it next month is the way to go. Allowing the grand parliamentary flock of headless chickens to squawk their way further towards oblivion next week might prove more damaging.
Do colleagues think their associations would tolerate Sunak after all, given the urgency of the situation? Does Mordaunt’s long record of using the language and approach of the identitarian left on cultural issues altogether disable her? Might Hunt, with his 'breaking it to you gently' conversational style, be as good as it gets?

The visible phase of the impending contest – and there surely will be a contest of some kind – needs to be as brief and civilised as possible. Withdrawing the whip from the next MP who takes to the airwaves to stoke up the atmosphere of crisis, and then arranging his or her deselection, is also a step that is long overdue and something all major figures should be able to unite behind. The Tories were already drinking in the last chance saloon when they dumped Boris Johnson. The bell is ringing for closing time. Sir Graham Brady must now preside over a lock-in that ends in something other than abject disgrace.

the80sweregreat · 18/10/2022 18:01

Starmer is right , they are shutting the public out and we are the ones having to pay it all back !
.. angry , so angry

Isinglass20 · 18/10/2022 18:08

Didn’t anyone watch history of nazis bbc2 last night which dealt with Hitlers refusal to believe war was lost. His lieutenants too scared to reveal reality to him. I kept thinking of Liz 😠

Winterthoughts · 18/10/2022 18:10

And now the triple lock goes!!!! Starting to agree with pp: she's a human shield that they won't let go until they've got her to takes much of the incoming flak as possible:but I don't think she looks like she has the temperament to take this level of humiliation/rage/ scorn/hatred

sunnydaytoday0 · 18/10/2022 18:10

Well done Mark Drakeford for that outburst at the Welsh Tory leader today. You could see his hands shaking with anger when he spoke. He spoke for a lot of people!

twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1582393645235376128

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derxa · 18/10/2022 18:12

sunnydaytoday0 · 18/10/2022 18:10

Well done Mark Drakeford for that outburst at the Welsh Tory leader today. You could see his hands shaking with anger when he spoke. He spoke for a lot of people!

twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1582393645235376128

Good for him. He's usually a wet bloody lettuce.

the80sweregreat · 18/10/2022 18:13

Please start on the triple lock Mr Hunt .. not so people die, but just as a threat maybe ?
The smug ones around me who think that the conservatives will look after them might then have a bit of a shock!

SilverGlitterBaubles · 18/10/2022 18:14

PMQs tomorrow will be interesting

vera99 · 18/10/2022 18:17

The Labour Party should walk out as a silent protest after singing God Save the King.

toomuchlaundry · 18/10/2022 18:18

Bet she will send someone else to do PMQs

vera99 · 18/10/2022 18:20

Theo Usherwood
Tory MP: “You know who they’re starting to talk about now?”
Me: “Who?”
Tory MP: “Theresa May.”
Me: “You’re taking the p@“*?”
Tory MP: “No. She’s competent. She’s boring. She’ll calm things down.”

the80sweregreat · 18/10/2022 18:21

She'll go tomorrow. She will bang on about stuff.
If she hides away tomorrow I think that they will have to say the games up.
I can't see her not showing up

the80sweregreat · 18/10/2022 18:22

If i were Theresa May I'd tell them to do one !

ancientgran · 18/10/2022 18:22

threegoodthings · 17/10/2022 19:57

I feel sorry for the kids whose parents have to use food banks. I'm sure Truss' kids will be just fine.

I'm able to feel sorry for both and the kids starving in Somalia.

vera99 · 18/10/2022 18:24

It will be like Dallas and Bobby Ewing when he was killed off because he wanted out and then came back in a new series and then the continuity plot was backfilled on his return as if it was all a dream. Covid, Johnson, Brexit, Truss - it never happened you must have been imagining it.

the80sweregreat · 18/10/2022 18:32

Dunno about a dream Vera, it's been more like one long nightmare
12 years beholden to the spivs and wide boys that call themselves the Conservative party

venus7 · 18/10/2022 18:40

Kellie45 · 17/10/2022 06:41

And an even worse party will be in with even worse financial management and wokeness. I think you have this incredible naivete that just by putting another lot in things will get better.

Are you absolutely sure there is a 'worse party'? Now? Really sure?

Vynalbob · 18/10/2022 18:43

Only if she wants to be remembered, as being in the record books as the shortest time in office someone's been UK PM is probably the only way she will be.

Runnerduck34 · 18/10/2022 18:43

I think the Tories are holding her hostage, she's not allowed to leave because they can't find anyone else to take it on and/ or think it will damage them further.
Their prime concern is the conservative party, their own factions, their own jobs and keeping power no matter what.
Tory MP on radio 2 believes she should be the chairman and Jeremy hunt the chief executive. So basically Conservative MPs would rather accept a figurehead prime minster with no real power and a chief exec chancellor to run the country than risk causing any further damage to their own party.

vera99 · 18/10/2022 18:44

the80sweregreat · 18/10/2022 18:32

Dunno about a dream Vera, it's been more like one long nightmare
12 years beholden to the spivs and wide boys that call themselves the Conservative party

I know - if I hadn't had my student anti-Tory vaccine 45 years ago I would be the target for their machinations and vote. Never voted for anything but Labour and never would. My mum god bless her voted for Thatcher and read the Daily Mail but would never admit it as I trolled her as a spotty teenager.

I feel really sorry for young folk these days they have had 40 years of the market uber alles imposed upon this country and Blair continued that and Thatcher saw him as her rightful heir. This term never caught on but seems to capture the market-driven, privatisation, there is no alternative politics that have corrupted our political realm for so long. Tell Sid !

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blatcherism

the80sweregreat · 18/10/2022 18:44

I'm up for some wokeness , if it means stability and none of this total chaos and the money grabbing spivs we have now
Of course any new party won't have it easy , but surely we need unity and to be told the truth?
This crowd just cling on because it suits them to plunder the spoils and carry on pretending that it'll be fine if only keep on changing the deckchairs around and bringing in new people
It's unfair and treats the electorate as idiots

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